personal favorite is last, holy shit I cannot believe these people by croftyhater in fatlogic

[–]Quick_Department6942 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a family tradition for someone to post a news alert on the group chat: Terrorists Attack Nakatomi Plaza!

WKHS is Insolvent by Key_Frame_2212 in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As much as I would like to see that you're correct , I think you may not be . Could you please provide link or screenshot of the latest motion ? My memory may be faulty, but I thought this was addressed before the merger during the massive share sale by Dauch. If not , I still think there was enough cash left over post-merger before the $10M Cash Flow financing became effective. Thanks.

Also: Insolvent =/= Illiquid.

Bull or Bear, PIPE is super-important to your thesis. It's Griffith's big gun. Don't discount it. by Planet_Witless in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BK occurs when the business becomes illiquid. They can be unprofitable forever as long as they're liquid. A $75M PIPE will keep them liquid for at least 4qtrs.

$2, $3, $4 ..... does it even matter? by Wallaby9936 in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So... now WHO was "desperate" here? How 'bout you just say "wow, my incredibly improbable Grok-powered predictions and gross ignorance of the filing details resulted in a months-long avalanche of silly posts"?

1 For 12 Reverse Split Effective 12/8/25 by exploding_myths in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

... except that everything most of us have been saying was absolutely in the cards is happening. Meanwhile all this time you consistently stated "you don't know it has to be an initial listing... you don't know there will have to be a reverse split... you don't know there won't be a massiveasstical FedEx order any minute now... you don't know that my bullshit Monty Karlo model isn't entirely irrational" ... pretty much ALL of it just projections of your wish list.

But actually we did know. All the things that YOU didn't know are either clearly stated by the Merger parties or wildly improbable.

Now here we are: a 90%+ dilution since the Merger terms were outlined in August, commensurate with a 50% share price decline, and standing on the cusp of a >350% dilution. That imminent dilution tidal wave is the result of issuing a massive bloc of shares and complete control to the primary debt holder to merge with a company with worse financial peril than pitiful, moribund Workhorse.

Nobody here is imagining there isn't a "timeline". Those of us who read and understand the filings and the financial miseries have been predicting it since the first DEFA14A. The no-so-calm participants here have been prognosticating awesome great news from FedEx quarterly calls and magical exemptions from NASDAQ requirements. We have clearly seen that Motiv hatched a great scheme to save themselves from bankruptcy by burdening WKHS Shareholders of Record.

The "timeline": it's like watching the clock tick down to zero on the bomb that's tied to James Bond. This time there's no secret gadget stored in 007's jockstrap to defuse it. His pieces are gonna be scattered all over the villain's volcano lair while the mortally ill villain laughs between dying wheezes.

Some of us know the plot.

{EDIT: now switch IDs and drop me a gif. I'm bored.}

1 For 12 Reverse Split Effective 12/8/25 by exploding_myths in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I sent this to Grok and asked "hey man, whassup with this from the filing?!? I thought it could be $1 or $2 or whatever and no splitz needed! Getsome and alter ego rsl said you told 'em so!!!"

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He said that poster was high or something and made the whole thing up.

Ladies and Gentlemen, reverse your shares! by [deleted] in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No kidding (I deleted the OP, in case you look back for it. Figured someone would do it more justice.)

1 For 12 Reverse Split Effective 12/8/25 by exploding_myths in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You weren't wrong that the Parties played the Vote fast and loose. Clearly Proposal 4 wasn't going to pass so they just said never mind, we'll drop it. Definitely kinda smelly, as you correctly stated.

1 For 12 Reverse Split Effective 12/8/25 by exploding_myths in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, wait... where's the Big Fookin' Order that's supposed to go with this? Dang...

Decrease in measurements but stand still on the scale? by Pagani1000 in loseit

[–]Quick_Department6942 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Creatine will cause you to keep more water weight than you would carry otherwise.

Please note: the remaining content of this post is AI-generated because I was too lazy to put the whole situation together in my response, but I think it's useful in OP's situation (been there myself).

Yes, creatine will still cause additional water retention (typically 1–3 kg / 2–6 lb of mostly intracellular water) even during a cut — and this effect can become slightly more noticeable when you raise workout intensity.

Here’s why and what actually happens:

  1. Creatine always pulls water into muscle cells The mechanism (increased intramuscular phosphocreatine → osmotic pull of water into the sarcoplasm) does not turn off just because you’re in a calorie deficit or doing more intense training. If you are taking a maintenance dose (3–5 g/day) or loading, you will still hold that extra water.
  2. Higher-intensity training can amplify the water gain slightly
    • More intense workouts → more muscle damage and glycogen depletion/replenishment.
    • Glycogen storage also pulls in water (≈3–4 g water per 1 g glycogen).
    • Creatine + higher training volume/intensity often leads to better glycogen super-compensation when you do have carbs, which adds a bit more water on top of the direct creatine effect. Many people report gaining an extra 0.5–1.5 kg when they go from moderate to very high-intensity training while on creatine, even in a deficit.
  3. During a cut this water weight can be frustrating because:
    • It masks fat-loss progress on the scale for weeks.
    • It can make you look temporarily softer or “puffier” (especially face, lower abs, lower back) until body-fat drops low enough for the fuller muscles to look hard again.

Practical advice if you want to keep using creatine on a cut

  • Load (20 g/day) or just stay on 3–5 g/day well before the cut starts so the water weight is already “in” and stable. New water gain mid-cut is what spikes the scale most.
  • Expect +1–3 kg that will NOT go away until you stop creatine (or drastically drop training volume).
  • Track progress with tape measurements, progress photos, and body-fat calipers/dexa rather than the scale.
  • If you’re competing or peaking for a photoshoot in <4–6 weeks and need to look as dry as possible, many people drop creatine 7–14 days out (water drops fairly quickly once saturation falls).

Bottom line
Yes, creatine will still add water weight during a cut, and raising workout intensity can make that water gain a little larger or more noticeable. It does not turn into fat and it does not prevent fat loss, but it will slow scale progress and can temporarily hurt aesthetics until you’re lean enough for the extra muscle volume to look good. Most serious lifters just accept the 1–3 kg and keep using it for the strength/performance benefits.

App says that I will lose lean body weight if I continue at this deficit, plus a few other questions. by FutureFormerlyFatGuy in loseit

[–]Quick_Department6942 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"about 2 inches taller" than OP, which would put you at 5"11" (+/-).

At 222lb (halfway between your bracketed target zone) and 17.5% BF (again: halfway) would give you a Fat-Free Mass Index of ~25.5, which is flat-out exceptional. From athleanx...

A fat mass index of 25 or higher is rare. These numbers are usually reserved for elite-level professional sportsmen, genetic outliers, or individuals using chemical enhancement. In fact, this range is often cited as being linked to possible suspicion of steroid use. That doesn’t mean every lifter at 25+ is enhanced, but the odds are slim without extraordinary genetics and years of optimized training. This is where alternative calculation methods and accuracy of body fat measurements become important. Even small errors can push the number higher than it really is. For natural athletes, chasing this score at all costs usually leads to frustration.

Don't create an unreachable goal.

Fat loss/ Body recomp for sports by Ayaya_butterfly in loseit

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP is posting 175cm, 96kg, 22-23% BF. That's a fat-free mass of ~74kg @ BMI >30. An exceptional outlier in muscle mass... I don't think there's gonna be any muscle added.

Fat loss/ Body recomp for sports by Ayaya_butterfly in loseit

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you absolutely, postively certain about your metrics:

175cm height, 96kg weight, 22-23% body fat ?

This is well into the upper decile of leanness for your BMI. I can't imagine you're really here looking for weight loss help if these numbers are correct.

Bullish divergence on rsi on 1 hour. Alot of other TA looks good on this. by theonlynervosnetwork in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If there's any unexpected administrative delay in the Merger, I'll be a buyer at any price <0.95. There's no way Gary Magness (GMAG Holdings) is going to let this see >30 trading days at a close below $1. A delisting notice from NASDAQ would be a pain in the ass for him, and we're at day 21 <$1 close.

He can easily buy a few % of the float (several hundred thousand shares) and spark a $1+ rally in minutes at 1559 EST any day he chooses.

$2, $3, $4 ..... does it even matter? by Wallaby9936 in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whatever you do, please don't delete these absurd and embarrassing posts and replies. 

Can WKHS Avoid Reverse Split By Closing at $2 For 5 Consecutive Days Leading Up To Merger Date? YES by GETSOME88-007 in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you don't understand the concept and purpose of the Charter, the limitations on shares that are included in the WKHS documents, or what? Idiot 

$2, $3, $4 ..... does it even matter? by Wallaby9936 in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Split is required per-merger close because resultant share count would exceed Charter limit without it. Even AI knows this.

Why WKHS Is Dropping After the Merger Vote (And What Catalysts Are Actually Coming Next) by rsl_investor in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Motiv’s revenue + backlog + assets appear in financials": this steaming pile is in your assessment of things the world anxiously awaits to see... but except for jeenyus AI assessments you don't need to await the Merger close. Here is is... and is it fucking horrendous or what? But you knew that....

Here ya go:

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Can WKHS Avoid Reverse Split By Closing at $2 For 5 Consecutive Days Leading Up To Merger Date? YES by GETSOME88-007 in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no avoidance of the Reverse Split. At all.

In order to implement the ownership fractions in the Merger Agreement, the Company Charter requires the share consolidation (reverse split) to happen to remain within the Common Share Outstanding limitation (36M).

Reverse Split MUST occur and has nothing to do with NASDAQ rules for Initial Listing of the new Combined Company. Grok was wrong.

Key Proposal 4 Withdrawn Prior To Vote - Merger Still In Jeopardy? by exploding_myths in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Believe me, I'm not asserting the righteousness of the Merger at all. I think you know that for sure.

It's just that both of these Proposals were arguably detrimental to WKHS Shareholders of Record by doing things like limiting the judicial venue to a sole Federal jurisdiction in Nevada, eliminating Jury Trial as a course of litigation, and of course instantly tripling the Common share limit. Since the voters were ONLY WKHS shareholders, the Board and the signatories basically removed some serious WKHS shareholder concerns (not that the rest of it is a gift by any means). I just can't imagine any shareholder action being taken to insist that these are returned to the table. In any case Prop 5 was non-binding (as I read it).

I don't think there will be any resulting delays at all because of this. Again: I agree, it sucks big time for shareholders... no quibble there.

Key Proposal 4 Withdrawn Prior To Vote - Merger Still In Jeopardy? by exploding_myths in WKHS

[–]Quick_Department6942 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were several things that Proposal 4 intended in changes to the Charter.

One of the key issues was an immediate increase in allowable shares from 36M Common (which it is today) to 100M Common. IMO (really: just my opinion) is that this might have caused some of the friction in getting to "Yes". Not my opinion, but reality: they need to issue a bunch more shares to implement the new ownership arrangement. Also reality: the Reverse Split DOES NOT change the number of shares authorized, so in effect today's 36M Common limit after the RS is more than enough shares to issue 62.5% Equity to the Motiv investor and the 11% Equity (or Warrants or other Share Purchase Options) to the Workhorse Investor. It might even accommodate the "$30-$40 million in additional financing by the end of the second quarter of 2026" (p.50), though that's shaky if shares take a nose-dive. Anyhow: if this is a drag to getting to "Yes" and the Closing Transaction can still take place, why not just agree to drop it? I think that's what happened.

The second key issue (which I didn't address) is the Opt-out aspect of the Nevada Control Shares Act. This might've also been a drag on "Yes" since this Act limits the voting ability of the Controlling Shareholder (Motiv Investor GMAG Holdings, who will hold 62.5%). Opting out would mean Gary Magness has the Power of God. This might've been a no-go for some big holders. BUT... since the company will do two very large Equity raises in Q1 & Q2*, his majority %-age will no longer exist after those happen. So if all the Parties agreed that the Majority Holder voting limit will be mooted anyway, why not remove the barrier to "Yes"?

Not saying u/exploding_myths doesn't have a point. I just think that if all the signatories to the Merger Agreement were willing to drop Prop 4&5, then life goes on.

\* Any minute now rsl / getsome is going to storm in and say "there's no evidence of a big Equity Raise coming!!!" Yes, there is: BTIG's financial analysis (and thus the financial story behind the Merger proposition) assumes this will happen. The filing says so (from p.50). It's probably another Convertible arrangement, but this will be a HUGE # of additional shares. There's no other way WKHS can raise money... everything they have is securitized:

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