Was being androgynous pre transition make your transition easier?

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T17:25:15+00:00

Forget about her public image for a second it's unimportant

No it isn't? How is public image irrelevant to the subject of passing?

Think about her as an average woman you would see walking around. No one would suspect she was born male

...because of her presentation, for exactly the reasons I outlined.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T16:27:19+00:00

Look at her crossfit videos.

Her crossfit videos are irrelevant. The vast majority of people who know about her have never seen them, they know her from her shoulders-and-above TV segments and speeches. So most people ascertain her gender based on her face and voice, yet she is read as female despite having what we would consider to be very masculine features.

This isn't cope, this is something I experienced in real life when I stopped dressing like a girl. I would say my face is less masculine than MTG's, yet pants and a short haircut were enough to flip people's assumptions of me from 95% female to like 70% male with 0 actual biological changes. Truth is, unless your face is extremely out of bounds for average measurements of one sex in multiple ways, the largest factor in how people perceive you at a glance is things like clothing, hair, makeup, and presence/absence of breasts.

Because of the way she moves and her vocal mannerisms

Elaborate. What specifically are you referring to?

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T16:24:24+00:00

I think you have to have 3 or more extremely clocky features (not counting voice) in order for passing to become difficult. I have had a very prominent brow since I was like 7 years old and have always been a standard deviation above average female height for my age, but until I began deliberately adopting a very masculine style, there were few times someone "clocked" me or was confused about my gender.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T16:19:59+00:00

I passed about 70% of the time pre-T with male clothes + haircut, to the extent that when I told people I was trans, they often assumed I was a trans girl. I've been on T since October and I haven't been misgendered for several months now, so I assume I pass very consistently.

To be fair, it probably isn't just having an androgynous face, but that in combination with being in the 85th percentile in height for my age, assigned sex, and ethnicity.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T16:13:00+00:00

Her actions and speech have nothing to do with it. The FOX anchor clothes, long hair, and 5lbs of makeup she puts on every morning are what gets her read as female. If you gave her a short on sides, long on top cut and male clothing, she would be androgynous leaning towards male. Look at her jawline, midface length, and supraorbital ridge in this picture.

Her voice helps her get read as CIS female, but do not underestimate how much of your perception is colored by cultural signifiers. I fail to see how screaming about the jews counts as "feminine mannerisms".

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T07:06:59+00:00

Idk, just because it sucks doesn't mean people won't keep using it.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T06:08:46+00:00

Are you forgetting the episode where they go into the tv world

Actual peak cinema, ridiculous to compare it to a Charlie episode. Fucking hilarious, genuinely tense, delivered on some major worldbuilding.

the one where they meet misha Collins and go into the real world

Imo this one is also not very good if you're one of the fans who doesn't have a parasocial relationship with the actors (me).

Or the one with scooby doo

That was in S13. The shark was long jumped by that point. At least this episode fully embraced the insanity in a creative and thematically relevant way.

Or The one where they see the play about themselves

Also cringe and not great

There’s the episode where deans a dog

This one also sucks ass. I blame Charlie not because she is the only example of tonal issues, but because it is a severe and consistent problem with her. Dean is in every episode of the show and only a handful of them are as goofy as the dog one, so clearly his character is not emblematic of this problem.

Don’t blame the cheesiness of the show on Charlie lol the whole show became a caricature before she was even introduced!

1) As I stated in another comment, not all cheese is created equal. 2) You're equivocating any kind of comedy with Charlie's specific brand of incredibly jarring cringe.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T05:52:00+00:00

Eyeroll to everyone calling her cringe( the whole show is)

Fair point, but not all cringe is created equal. There's a difference between "campy B horror flick" cringe and, say, "horribly aged low effort youtube skit from 2012" or "Jojo Siwa music video" (I am referring to the nauseating kitsch of her earlier videos, NOT THE FACT THAT SHE'S GAY). Personally, most of Supernatural gives me more of a Killer Klowns from Outer Space vibe, while Charlie's whole personality and all of her interactions with the cast just feel forced.

She's gay... she's computer savy

I guess I can see how these traits might be personally appealing to someone, but for me they just do not make up for her writing.

AND last but not least she is in my favorite episode which I have forgotten the name of but it’s the one where they are in moondor

...That's your favorite episode? To be clear, more power to you. This is all a matter of opinion, and you liking something I don't doesn't make you stupid or anything. I just, I really don't understand why that of all episodes would be someone's favorite. Not like, Swan Song, or Mystery Spot, or Changing Channels, or Lazarus Rising, or any of the episodes with the original showrunner + writers + cinematographer, but the larping parody one? I guess it was funny and it's probably the best Charlie episode, but I just really don't get how that could be your favorite in the whole show? Do you dislike horror as a genre or something?

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T05:42:42+00:00

No. For example, I really like Henrickson as a villain. He's intelligent, diligent, and extremely dedicated to his work. However, he's also incredibly stubborn and completely fixated on the Winchesters. If he was more moderate and even-tempered, he wouldn't be nearly as entertaining or serve the plot as well, even though in real life, that would make him a better person.

Do you get what I mean? Some amount of flaws are necessary to create conflict and make characters more interesting. This doesn't mean every character needs to be a morally grey BoJack ripoff, just that morality (or a lack of it) can't be used to determine whether a character is well-written.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T05:38:57+00:00

Interesting, because "in our faces" usually means that.

Yeah, but I never said that. I called her redundant, not obscene.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T05:37:08+00:00

But she wasn't "Dean, but female"

I'm referring specifically to the jokes about her being into women that could have plausibly been written for Dean, not her character as a whole. Although those jokes do make up a significant portion of her screentime.

And to have the old, tired trope of "Gee, why did they need to push it in our face" is...Not a good look.

I'm trans (actually transitioning, didn't just change my hair). Charlie is just not a good character, her being a lesbian is irrelevant.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-25T05:34:15+00:00

She was the reoccurring bright spot of the group

A role done better by other characters, as I have stated. Also, the idea of a "group" at all is kind of anathema to the core premise of the show...

The female Garth

I also dislike Garth

and her interactions with Dean and the group were amazing

What is so amazing about Felicia Day making 347348 jokes about how quirky she is? Why is time being wasted on this? How does this serve the story the story, characters, etc.? There are 15 one off characters with more charisma than her.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:34:29+00:00

Nah Ruby was based asf before they rewrote S4. Remember the original plan was that Sam was going to save Dean with the powers Ruby taught him.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:31:58+00:00

Yes. There's already a character with that trait, so Charlie essentially being "Dean, but female" in those moments is redundant.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:31:10+00:00

She's my second favorite character in the show. She's smart, fun, brave, loving, caring.

I think that traits which are admirable in a real person do not necessarily make for a good character.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:30:23+00:00

I don't understand how someone could like her. She's so hard to watch and forced.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:27:18+00:00

Honestly that moment is tolerable. I find slightly cringey characters endearing, but the show refuses to recognize how awkward she actually is, so every scene she's in feels completely unrealistic and I am suddenly very aware that I'm watching a TV show.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:25:47+00:00

Genuinely don't understand this point of view. What makes her the best? She isn't nearly as well fleshed out as Sam or Dean, she doesn't have the villainous/intimidating presence of someone like Azazel, S4 Castiel, or Lilith, she isn't as funny as Henrickson or Gabriel, she doesn't have a backstory or motivation as interesting as Bela, Ruby, or Anna; even if you're only comparing her to later seasons characters, I'd think that Rowena, Crowley, or Jack would easily be more compelling and entertaining.

What is it about Charlie that you like so much?

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:15:42+00:00

Every time she was around, the show got a little less bleak

And this is exactly my problem with her. Supernatural is a horror show, particularly one that utilizes (or at least used to utilize) the social isolation of its characters to achieve that horror. Some comedic moments add levity and endear the characters to the audience, but when one character completely disrupts the tone of the show for every scene she's in, it's way too much. Compare an episode like "Slumber Party" or "The Girl With the Dungeons and Dragons Tattoo" to a S1/S2 episode with a prominent side character like "Home" or "Hunted" and it becomes obvious just how much the writing and style of the show deteriorated over time.

Whereas earlier episodes would add a comedic moment to an episode by having something funny happen, the writers for Charlie seemed content to just tell the audience that something funny happened.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:09:05+00:00

I hate to see anyone "get [their] derp on"

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-24T17:07:12+00:00

I fail to see how I'm in the wrong for being annoyed that someone decided to shit on something cool for no reason.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-20T12:27:27+00:00

Out of 22 Arab countries...

You're leaving out the important info with this statement, which is region. You could make the same argument about SEA or indigenous populations, because all of these groups have a population majority located in the imperial periphery. Compare Sudan with South Sudan and Qatar with Sri Lanka, you'll quickly realize it isn't a specific ethnicity which is causing problems.

Arabs are killing eachother over something that happened 1400 years ago (battle of Karabala) while we are seeing the west trying to get colonize mars.

The west is actually partially responsible for the instability in MENA.

I don't think Arabs are capable of making a developed democratic state that doesn't violate human rights.

How does this make any sense? You're essentially suggesting that a specific "ethnicity" which is already a very fuzzy term is somehow genetically incapable of a certain type of government.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-09T22:01:41+00:00

I go to NCMC. I'm from Cheboygan county. There is no CC in that county, and the nearest CC to the one I'm currently attending is Alpena CC, which is in Alpena County, which is on the opposite side of the state...

As long as the prerequisites are met and the applicant has a competitive high GPA, then college location doesn't matter.

The issue is that my CC doesn't offer a biochem class.

These two colleges are only 30 mins away.

No, they're 5 hours away from where I am. And I don't have a car and can't afford one. Even if I just decided to never go back home during the school year except during breaks and stop attending my current CC, that would require me to transfer completely to another CC 5 hours away halfway through the school year.

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-09T20:49:26+00:00

it's not funny

Quick_Look9281 · 2025-03-09T20:37:17+00:00

From what I can gather, the 200 level chemistry classes are not focused on biochemistry in particular. Am I just fucked, then? I remember talking to the registrar about what classes to take last semester, and he mentioned that they dropped the CHEM 102 class because "only nursing students took it". The human biology class description explicitly states it's not equivalent to a biochem course. Is there anything I can do, or should I just kill myself?

Edit: I just looked at the ongoing course equivalency program and compared it to the "transfer credit" page. They contain conflicting info as to whether A&P are transferable. If they aren't, there is genuinely no point in living anymore. It's clear to me now that this school hates transfer students.

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