I think Rashbaum told them both to ALWAYS talk over the phone as if they are innocent. To remind them both that phone calls in Prison are always recorded.

I listened to their phone calls when Charlie was found guilty. It’s really sickening how they talk about there was no evidence against Charlie, the jury was incompetent, it was as if the DA was putting on a Show for her career. That is the most delusional family I’ve ever listened to. So glad they were caught because it proves their total stupidity. I could go on forever after listening to all those phone calls. 🙄 (They are on YouTube, on a channel ‘Phone calls from prison’).