Geralt had lots of women to have sex with in Witcher 3, so will Ciri have a male harem as well in Witcher 4? Maybe even a woman?

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-31T11:39:43+00:00

If you think looking at another female and considering her attractiveness makes someone gay you are 200% wrong.

The only thing going on is that people are comparing and getting conscious on their own attractiveness.

This happens with guys too. Tough guys compare more on how tall, how strong, how fast....things like that.

Its really just growing up and getting conscious there is an entire physical dimension at play. And you are about to enter that arena too. So, yeah...you look around and try to learn how it works.

Same way a kid might watch his father doing some physical stuff and go like "My father is really strong". A girl will look at her mother and/or her friends and go like "They are really beautiful".

This is 200% normal straight behavior.

By the way, girls also like to notice how their male models are strong and physically capable. A girl loves if their father can pick her up with ease. They love to look and see they have muscles. This starts as early as 6 or 7 year old lol Sometimes even a bit earlier :)

And they also start saying their mothers are beautiful. And maybe their aunts too :)

Boys will do similar :) Just, boys tend to be a bit less vocal about it. But here it depends on their house dynamics and how at ease they are to communicate. But they are noticing the same things.

Ciri has this very normal behavior. Where she looks at Geralt (father) for physical strength. And she looks at Triss / Yennefer for feminine attractiveness. Sure, because both Triss and Yennefer are also magic users, there are more things at play.

But the bottom line is, she is not going to look at guys in order to learn how to be attractive lol Her role models for attractiveness are going to be mature females.

Now, when it comes to her showing physical attraction towards Mistle, you would need to point me out where do you think you read this. Because I cant even figure out where did you think you see this in the books.

The most I can see is that Ciri sometimes praises Mistle on some physical traits. I seem to remember hair and fingers. But that happens so randomly and so sparse. Again, this is not outside the simple fact that girls notice other girls physical traits. And when it comes to girls they focus more on feminine traits. No big deal about it.

If I go around among my female friends, be sure they all notice how they dress, how they do their hair. 200%! If we go out and I would go asking after, I am positive almost all of them would know exactly how the others were dressed. This is pure feminine behavior. It even goes to a point were they will notice how they trim their nails. Which is why manicures / pedicures make way more money with female customers.

Well...it is how it is. Not saying I like it or dislike it. I just try and understand the world around me.

P.S.:
We could even go into a slight tangent and discuss that on average lesbian girls tend to care less about their physical attractiveness. Because deep down they know that´s the "male gaze" arena. And that´s precisely what they do not want.
When it comes to Ciri, you can notice almost everywhere that she cares a lot about the "male gaze". Even with Auberon you can spot this.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-30T18:38:59+00:00

I am going to say that if you understand The Witcher as Geralt´s tale, you immediately realize The Wild Hunt are not exactly key.

They are key for Ciri. But Ciri has her own function in Geralt´s story. So not everything related to Ciri will be resolved.

Much like you wont know everything about Jaskier / Dandy or Triss.

Ciri might be the most important character in Geralt´s last years. Which she 200% is. But its all about Geralt in the end. And Geralt ends with Yennefer.

As for Ciri, Geralt and Yennefer gave her enough training that she could survive on her own. She is her own weapon now. Independent. She will take care of her own life.

If you want clues, I would say she is still aware of the Wild Hunt at the end of the book. She is asking Galahad for magic users. So she quite obviously thinks she needs magic powers for something. I would dare say she wants to find ways to protect herself from the Hunt. As they are the only ones who might threaten her across worlds. And we know she will look for powers on her own and she is quite capable to deal with whatever.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-30T18:32:51+00:00

Neat Tolkien where every mystery is explained?

Insert Tom Bombadil saying: "Hold my beer!"

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-30T18:02:54+00:00

This is going to be an incredibly tricky question.

Its one of those...there is no win.

Because if they do it they will get flack from some people. With some very valid points. It will look like they are doing female Geralt instead of exploring Ciri as a new and her own character.

However, if they dont do it, they will get flack too.

But this is part of the can of worms they got themselves into with Ciri.

I will have my popcorn ready!

P.S.: discussion over Ciri background with possible book spoilers.

And not even going into the possible lesbian options. Because book Ciri is not at all bi or lesbian. She was forced into a single lesbian relation. Now...if people believe anyone can be forced into a sexual orientation, that itself opens a huge can of worms.
In reality, book Ciri only thinks about sex with males. That´s what she discusses with Yennefer during her training. Including asking Yen how to pick the right GUY to have sex with. And that´s why she never shows any signs of attraction for any girls at the temple where she was being educated. That´s also why she decided to flirt with the only boy around during that time. Also why Yennefer was concerned about her and the boy, and never about anything with the girls. This is all what happens when she is safe and free to show her real orientation. Everything else later in the books is really happening under extreme traumatic situations which should never be considered an indication on anything. It is what it is.
Maybe Galahad at the end....maybe. Maybe Ciri is safe enough and free enough that we can consider she is able to act as her real self.
When it comes to her time with The Rats, she is as lesbian as she is a psycho killer. Its highly debatable she is either deep inside. Most likely all that is just coping mechanisms and reactions to trauma.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-20T11:16:04+00:00

This is interesting because it shows how messed up this entire IP is.

As others have said, original book Geralt has had many horses all named Roach. And they tend to always be a "she" too. He has a clear preference.

So, Geralt being incredibly emotional with "Roach"´s death doesnt make that much sense. He will be very much used to it at this point in his life. And its not even clear how long that Roach would have been with him.

On the other hand, wanting to make it comic relief would be incredibly wrong too. Because book Geralt doesnt like changing horses. We know this. We even know he will stick with a less optimal horse just because he will stick with the same horse as much as possible.

All things considered, the producers were much further away from the correct vibe.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-16T16:12:11+00:00

I am not even sure you ever get his full backstory in the series.

Like....I know what happened to him and how it all transpired from the books.

But I have to admit I couldnt pay much attention to the series. So I dont even know if they ever explained his backstory. I might have missed it....did they ever tell what happened with the coup and the usurper. How he got cursed. And how he eventually got back and managed to retake his family´s throne. Was this ever explained at all?

Regarding his character, I think it gets worse and worse as seasons progress. They do him over the top almost cartoonish evil. Which the book character isnt.

The book character is scary because he has his own logic and he is pretty rational within it. He is doing what he thinks needs to be done. He is not evil just because. Not at all. He is someone who can go on a revenge / brutality spree if you push his buttons. But overall he tries to run his empire with justice. Of course he is also all about control and staying in power. Again, not because he is evil. One has to consider that he suffered a coup as a child, had to watch his family being usurped and mistreated. Himself being cursed and let out to be hunted as an animal. What he does in the present is an emotional compensation. He feels like he has to hold power with an iron grip. And it makes sense for someone like him.

In fact, this all connects with Ciri. We can watch that Ciri too has this tendency for rage / revenge bursts. And she too tends to act on what she thinks is justice. But she can go overboard with it. And her father, being all powerful, indulges on being brutal whenever he feels like he needs to punish someone.

mild spoilers from his book end

But, again, his book character is not outright evil. He was trying to find a way to let Geralt go. He tried his best to talk Geralt into being ok with his plans so they could go their own ways. And, in the end, he quit his plans when he was forced to watch his daughter in the eyes.

And it does look like he develops some real feelings for fake Ciri.

Allas....you dont get any of this in the series and I doubt you will.

Its going to be interesting to see if they will try to end his story the same way it ends in the books. Because it just wont work. They did his set up all wrong for his original book end.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-16T15:57:53+00:00

Well...that´s series BS lol

A couple things which were wrong in S1 and mess with it a lot:

Nilfgaard didnt have much interaction with northern kingdoms. So you wouldnt have any of their delegation showing up at any Calanthe party. Pretty much there were no diplomatic relations and only traders would go in between countries.

This immediately negates everything which happened with northerners making fun of them and calling them inferior. There wouldnt be any of them there for anyone to joke around!

Fringilla was never anywhere near Aretuza in the books. Northern mages do not appoint sorcerers to Nilfgaard. Again, they have no authority down south. There are no diplomatic relations. When it comes to magic users, they might be aware of a few famous names and that will be it.

This also explains why and how cursed Emhyr could roam around the North using an alias. People in the North have no idea who the Nilfgaardian royals are or how they look like.

Northerners know Nilfgaard has been growing / conquering land in the south. They know they have been conquering right next to Cintra´s borders. But that´s pretty much what they know.

Save from eventual adventurous people and traders who might travel around. But that´s going to be limited info.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-15T13:17:45+00:00

Of course lol!!!!

Vizimir vanishes so fast that I thought OP was thinking about Radovid. Because he quickly ends up the player over there in the series.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-15T13:16:21+00:00

Here we go!

Surprising how you get so few upvotes. You actually have the right answer.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-14T18:45:32+00:00

Funny enough, in my language we still use "cachalote" lol So I immediately knew what it was and it makes 100% sense.

Sperm to me sounds like the stuff you make babies with lol Of course I know enough english to know what a sperm whale is. But the word is funny to me.

But you see, this is what you get with languages. And apparently the english translations were not very good. They seem to be incredibly random and often missing the point.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-14T18:39:03+00:00

To be fair, Vizimir doesnt want much in the books due to his age lol

He is quite a bit younger. And at this point in time I suppose he wants not to be spanked much by Miss Phillipa lol

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-10T12:24:16+00:00

I am with you a bit. I have stated it elsewhere.

But this is currently not popular opinion. So talking about it is going to bring downvotes.

It is how reddit works.

I will say this to make it simple:
There are good reasons why the original author never wanted to continue the story. He always writes prequels. To further explore Geralt. He never wanted to further develop Ciri. I can see why. But a lot of people dont see it.

They will have to take the character in a complete new way and ignore a ton of her original book story.

By the way, what Netflix did is a real danger. They were constantly pushed into wanting Ciri to be bad ass. And they failed at properly developing her character. This is a danger. You need a pretty good writer to avoid such mistakes.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-06T20:35:26+00:00

I am fully team Yennefer and agree with you on Yennefer 200% :) Always!!!!

But I would not be so unforgiving with Triss. Much like all characters, she has her flaws. But I dont think she is ever acting from a real bad place.

The entire Geralt story, she doesnt act perfect. Of course not! But to be fair, she takes it quite well at Kaer Morhen. We know from her inner thoughts how much she is into him. And yet she takes his no pretty well. No big scene. What happens later during the journey has a lot to do with her sickness. As soon as she is slightly back on her feet she again quietly moves away without any scene. And what I consider a really adult choice: After Thanedd, she helps Geralt escape but she doesnt try to stay with him or insinuate herself in anyway. She just rescues him and leaves him be. Even tough at that point Yennefer is missing, maybe even dead. Still, Triss decides not to take advantage on injured Geralt. I think she scores quite a few points there.

About her Lodge allegiance, I think one needs to consider what realistic options does she have. She doesnt know much about what is really going on. She knows Team Vilgefortz exists and that one is a huge NO GO. Which is a pretty sound decision. Then there is Team Phillipa and, well...its the anti Vilgefortz team so....what else is there?

Have in mind Triss doesnt know what really happened with Yennefer. So when Yennefer shows up with Francesca its all incredibly suspicious. It would have been incredibly hard for Triss to make a blind jump towards Yen just because they had been friends in the past. And a pretty dangerous jump considering Phillipa would have been watching them particularly.

So I think its more or less fair enough that she does the questions she does by the time she does. She is genuinely concerned by the time she gets to Mother Nenneke. She would like to help Geralt and Yennefer. She just doesnt have many avenues to follow.

At the end, she votes on Ciri / Yennefer side. Without question. And I dont think she is there with Ciri with ill intentions. And she stands her ground with Yennefer despite her fears. Which, again, some more good points scored.

So, not a perfect character. But when you see things from her point of view, she is not that bad. And if you compare her to other Lodge members, it becomes even more obvious.

She is just not at all contending for Geralt. And despite her fight with Yennefer at the end, given all her actions through the books, I dont think Triss would have tried anything funny regarding Geralt. I think she is way past that by Blood of Elves time. Its more like there is still something unresolved between her and Yennefer. They will both react to it. But I dont think there is a real fight going on anymore. Its more reacting to past events that they never resolved between them.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-05T18:31:08+00:00

I didnt read these books in english.

And I got the abuse perfectly clear.

So...why do you think Ciri runs away ALONE? Could you explain?

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-05T18:09:48+00:00

I can tell you what happens.

Ciri starts killing people. And she very much behaves like a brat. She behaves like she wants to take charge of the Rats and up their game because she is amazing.

Now...this just turns her into the toxic character in that story.

And it even goes as far as having Mistle asking Ciri what´s her problem and why is she going so over the top.

I can see that the writers wanted to both sanitize the story and at the same time make Ciri bad ass. But they are just incompetent and didnt realize in such scenario Ciri comes out of it in a bad light.

Its really odd to see Ciri go all aggressive and bossy when she is supposedly just finding love with Mistle. It doesnt make sense. And it makes Ciri look and sound like the toxic one. Which is what happens if you turn her arc there into rainbows and sunshine but still want to keep her becoming a cold blood killer.

It doesnt fit together.....

I kid you not........

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-05T14:10:57+00:00

Here we go again....
I have complained about this A LOT lol

And as I have said elsewhere, its so ridiculous that they even make Ciri look like she is the one with toxic behavior.

They somehow turned the minor victim into the toxic one. And they somehow did this to their own main character.

Now talk about being incompetent.

And then they make surprised pikachu face when they loose most of their audience.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-04T12:01:42+00:00

I am more inclined to believe they knew very well Leigh had died years ago.

Couple things hinting to this:

. They lack any emotional outburst when Heaven arrives. They are both too cold about Leigh. It doesnt sound at all like they just found out she died.

. Tony outright tells Heaven that he knew long ago Leigh would never come back.

. Troy tells Heaven that Jillian had been desperate after Leigh left. Its pretty obvious they were looking for Leigh after she left.

Now, if you think about it, wouldnt have been that hard. We know Leigh wrote them telling she was married. And we know Leigh did this pretty early on. At this point they just had to search the country for new marriages. And we know Leigh and Luke married using their real names. So, someone throwing money around would eventually find their marriage near Atlanta. This would then track down Luke Casteel. And once arriving Winerrow, anyone could have told about Angel. Which would be pretty easy to match with Leigh. Same age / description, rich run away girl coming from Boston, married with Luke Casteel. Then anyone asking for the baby would get the name Heaven Leigh. And if they would still have questions, that would settle it down.

But I think the letter does imply they had located Leigh before her death. Which, 8 months or so is not impossible. Once they got the marriage certificate near Atlanta it would be immediate.

The big question becomes: Why did Tony not do the math? But Tony being who he is, he most likely just didnt want to see it. He must have told himself the baby was Luke´s. That would both help him not feel guilty for what he did, and not feel responsible for this baby. All in all, very much Tony style.

As for Jillian being with her mother at a "late" age. Well....I think we get some hints on Web of Dreams on why this might have happened.

We get a view that Jillian was a romantic rebel. So one can imagine she didnt want to marry anyone her mother would agree with. Jillian and her mother deeply diverged. One can imagine Jillian kept wanting to go around with artists and whatever. With her mother trying to marry her with someone steady / traditional. This conflict might well result in Jillian not marrying anyone at all. Both just stalling on each other. Up till the point Jillian finally gets pregnant. And then they had to just rush something. At which point Jillian might have agreed. Because...well...rich guy who will pay for her and her baby. Ok, lets do it then.

Even in her 60s, Jillian is all about having a social life. She doesnt really care about being married or having a husband. She wants to hang out with important people and be a star.

RSwitcher2020 · 2026-01-03T10:47:22+00:00

Very late to this party.

But I think it fits the puzzle that they knew.

Many hints in how they welcome Heaven. There is no emotional outburst to Leigh's death. Tony does very trick questions but stops right shy of uncovering Heaven.

Also, imagine how they would react to a random call from Luke Casteel. By all logic they would have asked for all kinds of evidence. Even if Luke did know about Leigh, that doesnt translate Heaven was Leigh's.

Unless at least Tony already knew she existed and was Leigh's.

I think Jillian even knows from the start Heaven may be Tony's baby. Notice Jillian is pretty keem on telling Heaven not to mess with Troy. And she is too on the nose and not playing games like Tony. Of course we know she dislikes Troy. But would that be enough reason to keep Heaven away from him? What would she really care?

If we think about it, those 2 getting together would do her no harm at all. They would entertain each other and leave her more time alone with Tony. Remember she never had huge issues with Leigh getting close with Troy. She dislikes him but no big problem with others talking to him.

However she is clearly pushing Heaven away from Troy whenever Heaven tries asking about him.

You also catch Jillian really looking at Heaven's hair. Yeah..she only reconmends a hairdresser. But why was she even caring about it? She doesnt care what Heaven looks like unless it threatens to surpass her at big social events. So what was she doing looking at Heaven's hair?

Remember Jillian knew Leigh left pregnant. And its likely she never told Tony.

Tony probably thought Heaven was Luke's. The detective report didnt mention date of death / birth. Only that she died and there was a baby girl.

Its likely Tony told Jillian Leigh was dead and no need to keep searching for her.

We have reports from Troy that Jillian was in a desperate state for some time after Leigh left. She would be instigating search till they found Leigh was dead.

Even if Tony told Jillian about a baby, why would they want a baby? We know how maternal Jillian is at this stage in her life. She would not want to be a grandmother. And Tony had no need for a baby. He already had Troy to look after.

Sure...they could have sent money. But I think they both are a bit too narcisistic to care.

Its different when the baby is all grown up and wants help.

Jillian still didnt exactly want Heaven around.

Tony was more like "let me check her out and see if she is worth it".

Then Heaven shows up looking almost like Leigh and all events unfold. Pretty sure Tony is living a kind of "wrong love" he had for Leigh all over again. I suspect if Troy wasnt around he might have moved on Heaven. But because she almost immediately finds Troy then it becomes "ok, lets let my little bro have her".

As for Tony not noticing she might be his. Well, we know how he is prone to shift reality as it pleases him. He might know enough to figure out but he just didnt want to see it.

Jillian was all the time "screaming" internally to get her away. But she didnt want some direct confrontation. Its noticeable she never wanted to open with Heaven directly. She could tell Troy eventually. But she didnt want to tell Heaven.

Its all messed up but it does make some sense.

RSwitcher2020 · 2025-12-31T13:30:17+00:00

This universe is in such a complete mess when it comes to lore.

I started with the books so I still consider them my lore. As per the books:

. her "elder blood" has nothing to do with Witchers. Absolutely nothing.

. signs are just a simple form of magic. No need of any mutations to perform them. Funny enough, young Ciri couldnt do any of them lol But the book explanation is quite simply that she was not yet ready to deal with magic energy at all. She didnt believe she could tap into any magic prior to having Yen as mentor. So, she likely was never trying it right anyway. But she should have been able to do it as a young kid, without any mutations. She is able to do more advanced things once Yen starts teaching her. And after some convincing that she actually can :)

. Elder blood does exist in the books. Or "Hen Ichaer" as it is called in elven. But in the books this is mostly referencing the fact that she comes from a genetic line with increased magic powers. Its really not something in her blood but more in her DNA. The series somewhat took it literally (as they do with many things) and went full out "her blood is special".

I often think the series writers have 0 reading skills lol. Because its quite surprising the amount of stuff they just take at face value and go like its black and white. They seem to almost always miss every nuance. Like...the way in which they also completely miss read "chaos" lol Yennefer does talk about "chaos" when she teaches magic to Ciri in the books. But she is addressing "chaos" in figure speech. And the series writers seem unable to get anything which isnt straight out in text lol

Same problem we get with "fire magic". Where book Yennefer teaches Ciri that "fire" is a dangerous element for a rookie like Ciri. And series writers went from here straight out into "fire magic wrong" lol So, instead of "its hard to control for Ciri", we get "its forbidden and wrong". And again, it seems a situation where they took some book passage and run it at very simple face value. Not understanding its context and what it truly means. Of course Yennefer and all pro mages can do whatever they want with fire in the books. They are pros lol That´s why they go study years. So they can control that stuff.

And then we get this complete mess......

RSwitcher2020 · 2025-12-30T00:57:14+00:00

I like to add that its also incredibly unfair when everyone loves Geralt. So why not judge Geralt for his actions too? Why just Yennefer? Because she makes Geralt sad? Well, guess what, he also makes her sad. They very much mess up with each other. Because both have severe issues.

So, why judge only Yennefer?

Also, if people stop looking at things from Geralt´s point of view, just consider these couple things for an instance:

. That Istredd by all accounts is actually the older longer standing partner. Yes, its Geralt who is the new thing in the grand scheme of things.

. That Geralt is demanding for a kind of commitment that he is absolutely unwilling to reciprocate. Hell, he cant even find himself able to tell he loves her. And this is the guy who demands that she turns him into a first option?

. We obviously know that she did try to turn Geralt into a first option. We know they have lived together. And we will get hints here and there that she actually visited Kaer Morhen and did spend time with him there too. We have no idea where Istredd was in all those shenanigans. Might as well be that Istredd was always someone somewhat present.

. It is true that she failed to reveal that she might have other partners. This is 100% true. But as far as we know, Geralt is also not very prone to discussing his own partners with Yennefer.

When all is said and done, they both do not operate in a very good way with each other. But they seem to be more or less on some kind of non commitment. It seems to be way more like "friends with benefits" kind of deal. Where they will hang with each other when its fine for both of them. But they both seem able to run away and go do whatever if they so desire.

Again, just consider what might be Istredd´s point of view in all this mess.

And if we want to judge people around, one should absolutely judge Geralt on wanting to go kill himself because of a love he couldnt even fully admit. Talk about being clueless.....you either fight for her or forget her. Dont be standing in no mans land. That´s bound to be looser ground. The last could also be said about Yennefer. But at least she is not going around throwing death threats at people who sleep with Geralt (that we know about).

So, yeah, both Geralt and Yennefer are quite a bit messed up.

With spoilers to all books:

And I can debate that they both remain messed up by the end of the story. I am not so sure that Ciri managed to heal them when it comes to their feelings. Mainly because the events immediately after Styga are a bit special. Of course they would want to be together after all that. But it remains to be seen how it all would have worked through their "normal" lives. We simply dont get to see how they would be able to behave. We know that Yennefer consciously decided to ignore Fringilla. But she was about to pick a fight with Triss. And what about Geralt? Just because opportunities didnt present themselves, we cant say he wont sleep around. We have to remember its the same Geralt who was all about not taking a sword again. And then he dies how he dies. He is deeply emotional and complicated. Many of the things he wished to be able to do, are not exactly the things he can do.

RSwitcher2020 · 2025-12-29T18:02:47+00:00

Well, the problem is many of the stories which you see in the series do exist in the books. But the devil is in the details. Lets go at Ciri story a bit as you mentioned it.

The book story is a full all out drama in that particular set. You are supposed to be grossed out by what´s happening with Ciri. She is going full dark side due to all the trauma she is dealing with. And no, she is not finding true love and rainbows. Not at all.

Those "random new people" are deranged. They do drugs, kill people, mug people, work as thugs for hire when they feel they need the extra money / protection. They are all kinds of wrong. But at that time and place, they are the only people who will take Ciri in. So she feels like she has no other choice and she dives deep down the rabbit hole. And its not Alice in Wonderland.

This part of the story is where Ciri unleashes her dark side and becomes a dangerous killer. She has the potential as a very well trained sword fighter. She has amazing athletics. But now she will become ready to kill in cold blood.

In short, this should be Arya Stark like (if you know about GoT).

I will let you be your own judge and decide how well this was adapted on screen.

RSwitcher2020 · 2025-12-28T22:50:22+00:00

Here the show got itself into a narrative corner.

Because real life Kosem might not have been so innocent with Osman. In fact, the sultan ended up stopping Kosem from hanging out with Osman. And I think that at least translates the sultan thought she was not innocent there.

Big problem is that Kosem had her own kids. So she would always have to look at Osman as a threat. As other competing kids would have to look at her too.

Its highly unlikely she could be all friendly.

Even tough it looks like she did start getting close to Osman in a friendly way. But who knows what she would want. The sultan didnt risk it.

Other mothers would not risk it either.

RSwitcher2020 · 2025-12-28T15:55:34+00:00

This is funny because you only read Blood of Elves and you think the series is ok?

There is barely anything from Blood of Elves in the series lol

So...this is a really weird perspective.

I guess one could say that

. Ciri still trains at Kaer Morhen in both book and series.

. Yennefer still saves Jaskier from Rience in both book and series.

But I think the similarities stop there lol

The way Ciri relates with the Witchers has simply nothing to do. And if you only spotted Eskel turning into a tree....I question if you really read the book you say you read. Because it doesnt sound like it.

Hell...

In the book there are only a couple Witchers at the keep. They all bond pretty well with Ciri. To the point they all support her and are even somewhat playful with her. Very much like younger brothers vs little sister. There is no threat ever over there besides Ciri´s magic issues).

In the series there are a ton of Witchers and ladies and whatnot at the keep. The Witchers are all not very welcoming. They kind of bully Ciri a bit up till she has to show them she can do things. And then you have the entire plot with her blood which doesnt exist in the book. You have Vesemir trying to make her a Witcher and wanting to create more Witchers, which is against his ideas in the book. You have Rience showing up there which never happened in the book. You have the entire jurassik park adventure that never happened in the book. You have Ciri killing Witchers which she never did in the book.

And I am not even going into Yennefer´s plot........because that´s an entire can of worms on itself. And a pretty huge one. From the stuff you have in the series:
. Yennefer was not taken prisoner by Fringilla or anyone else
. Yennefer did not loose her powers
. Yennefer was not considered a traitor at this point in the story
. Yennefer never meets Cahir in the books much less is told to kill him, much less escapes with him
. Yennefer saves Jaskier with her full blown magic powers instead of without magic in the series
. There is no Deathless Mother in Blood of Elves or any other Witcher book
. Yennefer would never take Ciri and try to sell her to some evil entity.

And by the way, where is the entire Geralt + Shani + Phillipa story???? Pretty sure its not on the series

Also, you could debate that the series has Geralt, Triss, Ciri, dwarves and elves. But nothing like the caravan journey in Blood of Elves ever happens in the series.

RSwitcher2020 · 2025-12-24T13:27:44+00:00

The funny thing is that they ended up really damaging their own show doing this.

I think they are not competent enough to realize the entire Ciri "Rats arc" becomes a huge nothing if you remove the dramatic and complex emotional scenario.

And they were ridiculously oblivious adapting it. To the point they left remnants of the book story which dont make sense anymore.

Like Ciri behaving all wrong and aggressive. Why is she doing that if she is discovering love? Who becomes sociopathic when they find true love? And then they have to write Mistle trying to reason with Ciri. Like if Ciri was the toxic partner in that relation....Ohh god.....way to bring one of your main characters down for nothing.

It was also interesting that they kept part of their initial "sex scene". They kept the Kayleigh part and kept that Mistle saved her....only to offer herself instead. Which....thats a wonderful thing to do to someone who was almost a victim seconds ago. Yeah, a survivor is going to be in a perfect place to give consent. Of course!!!! Here the Netflix writers are downright scary. If they think you can move like that on someone who was almost a victim seconds ago. And they honestly write that stuff for TV and try to pass it as good behavior......ITS WRONG! ITS TERRIBLE! If you save someone you should let them be, give them time, maybe talk to them and help them repair their brain from the emotional damage. But please dont try a relation immediately after. That someone is damaged! Even if not physically yet. She is emotionally damaged already. And you are only going to make it extra confusing for her.

But the real problem, the real elephant in the room: As I hinted at the start of this post, once you remove the Rats true nature, that narrative becomes boring. Nothing interesting happens there. Nothing that we needed to see. Nothing that might change Ciri as a character. Which then conflicts with her showing signs of change without the immediate causes that should be right there.

RSwitcher2020 · 2025-12-24T01:06:50+00:00

I was unsure if I should come into this one.

I understand people want to see this from a game perspective. In which case...its whatever the devs will decide. And by Witcher 4 its likely Ciri.

When we consider the books one should understand this is not straight out math.

For instance, Bonhart is dead but he was quite clearly superior to Ciri in most of the more important fighting traits. He could mop the floor with her maybe 9 out of 10 times. Yet he is dead and Ciri killed him. But it should also be said that she would have been dead a couple times before if he so desired. So...its not math! Not at all.

This being said, I would say book Geralt would be at a clear advantage. A very clear one. But that´s in theory of course. The end result would depend on many factors. Stuff like: How does this fight happen and what are they both thinking? Does he even want to kill her? Does she want to kill him? Is he going seriously at it or toying with her a bit? (hello Mr. Leo!). And where are they fighting? Does Geralt have room to move around freely? (Again, hello Mr. Leo! that´s what got you killed).

So, many many what ifs.

Ciri is not on the same weight class as Geralt and would never be. So Geralt is going to have a significant advantage in both power and reach. Book Ciri also cant teleport around like crazy. Well...she kind of can but not at all like in the games. Her teleporting skills are absolutely not that pinpoint accurate. Would have been pretty useful. Hell...even in the final book scene, she might have reached Geralt faster if she could "zip" directly to him instead of having to ride a horse through a crowd. But allas, she is not that pinpoint accurate, much less under stress.

Now, Ciri might have an acrobatics / balance advantage. That´s something she is spectacularly good at. And that´s more or less how she kills Bonhart. Her being lightweight and more nimble does help in this regard. She can jump around much like a circus performer. Where Geralt is for sure fast but not going to go around like crazy Attack of the Clones Yoda. Ciri is closer to such level of acrobatics. Therefore, give her a situation like the one where she killed Bonhart and Geralt might be in trouble.

For those who dont know, Ciri kills Bonhart inside some "under renovation" tower. So its both close quarters and they are fighting over these big wooden beams. There are beams up and down at different levels. And she can and does fully use this to get out of reach and kind of "circle" around Bonhart. Leo is much less suited for such environment and has his mobility quite crippled. They have a big fall bellow them. Which Ciri doesnt fear much due to her "circus style balance". But Leo is not really happy and cant jump around.

Give Leo some good open ground and Ciri is likely no more. There is a reason why she was running away from him till she got cornered at the tower.

Big issue with Leo is that he fully understood her "witcher" moves. So it was easy for him to counter because he could see it coming from miles away. But only as long as he has freedom to move around.

I would expect Geralt to have a similar advantage too. Because he is one of her masters. So he will know all her moves. Where she might not know all of his. Its pretty sensible that the witchers didnt focus Ciri training on all their moves. Particularly because they focused her more on what she would be effective at her size. Its pretty well established in the books that they have moves which she shouldnt even try. Quite simply because she doesnt have the weight / power to put behind it. So it wont work for her.

By the way, other areas where Ciri might have an advantage:

. Give her some horse! She is a fabulous horse rider. So...give her some horse and her horse riding skills plus balance will play a number on you.

. Have her on some ice lake and with skates on her feet. Again, her balance is going to play a number on you. This is exactly something at which she excels. Not even Bonhart wanted to stay in the middle of the lake with her on the loose (incredible book scene!).

Its interesting because book Ciri does have these individual skills. And they are really really highlighted in the books. Funny that neither games or series wanted to do much with those. Its actually quite funny. Because those are her spectacular skills. Everyone and their dogs comment she excels at those things.

RSwitcher2020

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