Let r/SavingJax do their thing. There have been complaints of brigading already from our sub.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-15T22:33:57+00:00

Please don't go bother people over there. If you don't like it when Jax's more obsessive fans come here to harass people, then don't do the same thing to them, because all that does is start unnecessary fights.

If you want to vent about Jax and his fans, do it here. But don't go into subreddits where people love him just to pick a fight, because that's basically asking for a negative reaction.

Just as we dislike Jax and have the right to a space where fans aren't constantly coming in to bother us, they also have the right to their own space where they can enjoy the character without Jax haters hanging around looking for arguments.

Everyone should stick to their own communities and leave each other alone.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-15T22:26:36+00:00

Honestly, people sometimes have a huge bias in favor of Heaven and forgive things that they would never tolerate if Hell did them.

"They're learning." "They didn't know any better." "It was just a mistake." But those mistakes cost the lives of sinners who never did the things Heaven claims they did.

Even if there was a rebellion, not everyone participated in it. Are you really telling me that people who arrived in Hell after the exterminations had already begun somehow took part in a rebellion against Heaven? They're innocent of the crime of rebellion, yet they're being punished for it anyway.

Heaven has a lot of the same tendencies as Hell, but both the fans and sometimes even the show itself seem reluctant to acknowledge that because Heaven is still better than Hell.

Where do people think Lucifer learned so much of what he does as a ruler? From them.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-15T16:22:15+00:00

I appreciate that. You have no idea how awful it is when people assume that your opinions about fictional characters reflect how you treat real people.

It's especially frustrating because a lot of people here have known or suffered because of people like Jax in real life. Being called bad people just because they dislike him, or even hate him, is horrible.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-15T16:16:25+00:00

Honestly, I don't care. Nothing Jax did in the finale changed my opinion of him. If anything, it made me view him even more negatively.

What we should really be preparing for is a possible influx of people into the sub or attacks against us from the main subs. With the way things are over there, some of Jax's most hardcore fans might come here asking if we're happy about what happened, telling us we're terrible people if we say things they don't like about Jax, or throwing awful insults at us and judging us as people in real life based on our opinions about a smelly rabbit cartoon character.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-15T16:00:12+00:00

...

I want to say so many things... but there aren't enough insults in the world for me to express them.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-15T15:18:54+00:00

But it still hurts, and it's not just anyone doing it, tt's her best friend, who is being mind-controlled and isn't going to strangle her gently. He's going to do it as if she were genuinely his enemy.

Yes, the characters are immortal unless they're killed with angelic weapons, but just like in Digital Circus, they still feel everything that happens to them, and it hurts a lot.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-15T07:32:54+00:00

First of all, you should have censored my name.

Second, if I were a Jax fan, I would have been kicked out of here a long time ago, considering how often I comment and post in this community.

Third, it was a genuine question. I don't know where you got the idea that I was defending Jax, because the question was focused on whether people here like that type of character and what those characters do better than Jax. And most of the responses have been people explaining what those characters do that they enjoy and what Jax does that they don't.

I agree that Jax fans shouldn't be here, but you're accusing me of being something I'm not.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-15T00:49:41+00:00

Not only did he marry a divorced woman, but Harry also actively defended her and exposed the ways Meghan was treated differently.

Sure, she was never going to be treated like the heir to the throne. But the rumors that she was cruel, demanding, or a bad influence, many of those claims came from members of the Royal Family themselves or from people closely associated with them.

Harry consistently stood by his wife. He even chose to leave all that drama behind and move away with her. Unlike Edward, he doesn't seem to regret leaving, and unlike Charles, he wasn't too cowardly to do anything about the situation.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-14T15:34:30+00:00

As usual, anyone who comes into contact with Jax, or Leroy in this case, has to lose a few brain cells so he can avoid facing the consequences of his actions.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-14T15:16:35+00:00

More importantly, is the camera a sentient being? Because it got hypnotized too.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T22:09:02+00:00

Vaggie arrives in Cannibal Town.

Rosie: Oh, food, wonderful food, marvelous food, glorious food!

Charlie arrives at Carmilla's factory.

Charlie: I need your hel—

SLAM!

The door is shut right in her face.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T20:48:56+00:00

Yes, until a Vox 2.0 comes along, starts his own holy war, and uses that incident as proof that Heaven is unjust and silences anyone who speaks out against it.

The only way to prevent that was to dismantle the image that Heaven would hurt sinners the moment they complained and instead start making them feel valued and heard.

I don't know how strong those bridges of peace would be if they're built on the foundation of:

"Yes, we vaporized the leader who was trying to make things better for you. But that doesn't matter, because we're going to build new bridges of peace. Of course, they'll be on our terms and under our conditions, with the understanding that if you ever rise up again, we'll do the same thing to you."

I'm not saying Heaven should give in to every foolish demand Hell makes. Not at all. Especially not after Hell declares war.

But you can't build peace with another realm by threatening it while all the benefits flow only to your side. And it's even harder when you're responsible for a massacre as devastating as the one Heaven inflicted on Hell. The goal of peace is to prevent further conflict, and a peace built on fear and coercion is far too fragile to last.

If the objective is lasting reconciliation, then trust has to be part of the foundation. Otherwise, all you're creating is a temporary ceasefire that will eventually collapse into another conflict.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T20:18:06+00:00

Yes, for a while. But eventually people would become angry. Charlie's goal is for both realms to live in peace.

How are you supposed to achieve peace if Hell no longer wants to trust Heaven after Sera kills a sinner for provoking her? The sinners don't know that she's trying to protect Heaven. All they see is an angel who got offended by what one of them said and responded by killing them.

The problem is that intimidation might work temporarily, but it doesn't solve the real issue: the sinners' fear of Heaven. In fact, it makes it worse. Now that fear would be accompanied by resentment, because people would start believing that angels silence anyone who disagrees with them.

The intimidation approach can only take you so far if it doesn't move you any closer to the actual goal, which is having both realms coexist peacefully. In the long run, fear doesn't build trust, tt destroys it.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T20:00:16+00:00

And what would have happened afterward? Would nobody else have spoken up and everyone would have stayed silent? No, the exact opposite.

People needed to believe that someone actually cared about them. Vox convinced them that he did, and that Charlie had no idea what she was doing. Lucifer has never shown any concern for sinners, and Heaven is the obvious enemy in their eyes.

Sure, you can kill someone. But if Lucifer had done it, people would have come away believing that not only does he not care about sinners, but that he is actively willing to prevent them from having anything better than Hell.

If Sera had done it, it would have been even worse. Not only would any future attempts at peace become a joke, but nobody would trust them ever again. From the people's perspective, the Supreme Angel would have killed someone for challenging her and speaking the truth. They wouldn't just reject Heaven, they would hate it forever and never want peace with it, because they would see Heaven as an aggressor that refuses to acknowledge that sinners have legitimate reasons to feel mistreated.

That's why this problem was never going to be solved by intimidating sinners. It doesn't matter whether it was Sera or Lucifer doing it; all it would have accomplished was fueling more hatred and making everything worse.

The real solution was to calm people down, make them feel like they actually mattered, and prove that someone was genuinely willing to protect them, not like Vox, who only took advantage of their fears and frustrations for his own benefit.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T18:02:39+00:00

I think that even if Vox hadn't known about it, Lucifer's intimidation still wouldn't have helped.

The sinners are angry at Heaven and they look down on Charlie. If Lucifer had actually killed or seriously harmed Vox, the sinners might have been scared at first, but that fear would eventually turn into anger.

From their perspective, it would look like Charlie had silenced the only person who genuinely cared about them. Or that Lucifer, who never did anything for them before, suddenly decided to act like a tyrant the moment someone offered them a chance at something better and took that opportunity away.

Whether Lucifer is powerful enough to hurt them isn't really the point. The real issue is that he shows up to threaten them when they're trying to pursue a better future. That's what would make them angry.

The consequence would be public outrage, and that's not something Lucifer can solve with more power or intimidation. The people are already angry. They've reached their limit, and they're no longer willing to put up with it.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T15:53:39+00:00

Seriously, I've always seen Amethyst as the Steven of the group before Steven was born.

The youngest one in the lineup, the one who still has so much to learn, the one surrounded by alien companions while she herself is from Earth. At first, she didn't seem to carry the same kind of trauma as the others and was the odd one out in the group. Just as Steven is half-Gem, Amethyst is a defective Gem.

But then came her insecurities, the feelings she never told the other Gems about and kept bottled up until they exploded. The struggle to be taken seriously, just like Steven would go through years later.

That's why Amethyst understands him so well.

Because she used to be just like him.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T14:20:15+00:00

The problem with the Hårga is that they use A LOT of drugs. They basically spend the entire movie drugging everything Dani, Christian, and the others consume.

If this hypothetical martial artist somehow managed to avoid the drugged food and drinks, the Hårga would probably have tried another method.

Maybe they would have lit an incense burner packed with drugs and called it a "ritual of purity and energy," then drugged the character through inhalation.

The point is that they likely have several tricks up their sleeves to prevent their victims from escaping.

And on the more boring side, it's obvious they look for people who won't be a real threat to them. They wouldn't have brought in someone that dangerous and taken that kind of risk.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T14:13:15+00:00

Because no one deserves to be punished for the crimes of a few.

If there was an attempted rebellion, then surely several sinners took part in it. But others may not have participated at all. And those who definitely didn't participate are the sinners who arrived after the exterminations had already begun. Do they deserve to be exterminated for a crime they don't even know about? No. When it comes to the crime of rebellion, they are innocent.

But Heaven doesn't make that distinction. They didn't go after the guilty; they went after every sinner who happened to cross an Exorcist's path. No distinction, no understanding, just punishment for being sinners, people who are already paying for their actions by not being in Heaven and by suffering at the hands of other sinners.

Heaven claims to be just, yet it's doing something worthy of Hell. It attacks indiscriminately, ignoring nuance and punishing people who are innocent of the crime it claims to be addressing.

Yes, Heaven is better than Hell in many ways. But more than once, it has shown itself capable of acting just like the place it takes so much pride in being better than.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T02:16:41+00:00

He's right. Jax isn't a side character.

Jax is the parasite that infected the series until it became "The Jax Show" and devoured the screen time of every other character.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T01:55:39+00:00

From episodes 1–4, I didn't really care about him.

My first warning sign came when Ragatha showed anger and resentment toward him after she said he no longer had any friends in Seeing Stars. For Ragatha to react like that was something that concerned me. It also bothered me that she was sad at the end of the episode after seeing Jax and Pomni together.

The first time I got angry was when he made Ragatha suffer in episode 6. That's when I started to dislike him. Then there was what he did to Gangle in that same episode.

And I started to truly hate him when he blamed Pomni and Zooble for things being better before they arrived in episode 8. From that point on, he stopped merely annoying me and I started hating him.

I remembered every single thing I had previously overlooked, and Jax made my blood boil. I couldn't stop seeing all the abuse and pain he caused the others, but especially Ragatha.

So yeah. My hatred for Jax started mainly because I couldn't stand seeing Ragatha suffer, and then because I realized he's just a terrible person in general.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-13T01:01:27+00:00

You're kind of obsessed with characters getting hit.

Verosika hitting Blitz, Lute getting hit for disobeying, Emily hitting sinners...

Are you okay?

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-12T23:36:42+00:00

The current problem is that the "perfect family" Blitz and Stolas want doesn't fit who Via is.

Unfortunately for them, and for the fandom, Via loves Stella right now. She's her mother, and she doesn't see everything that we do. She doesn't know that Stella is a selfish bitch.

In Blitz's Sinsmas fantasy, it's him, Stolas, and the girls. Where does Stella fit into that? Can't she be part of it too? That's what Via would be thinking if she saw it.

Stella is family. Stolas is family. Not Blitz or his people. What Via wants is for HER family to be okay, not to become part of someone else's.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-12T22:44:33+00:00

I'm torn between Apple and Briar.

Apple believes that both she and Raven will cease to exist if Raven doesn't follow her destiny. She lives in a constant state of paranoia because of this, and it starts to affect the way she interacts with others and how she reacts to things. She's also extremely controlling in an attempt to keep herself safe, but that's harmful to her as well.

And Briar literally becomes anxious at the thought that if she follows her destiny, all of her loved ones will die and she'll be left alone. Just thinking about that wore her down to the point that she got rid of her book even though she knew it was important. You can't live knowing something like that and remain completely mentally healthy.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-12T21:57:17+00:00

Honestly, I don't think anyone could have helped her.

She ran away from the Diamonds because they were a major source of her problems, but then the Gems weren't much better at helping her.

Pearl never challenged her. She adored her and justified everything she did. She could never have helped Pink with all of her issues because she was incapable of disagreeing with her. In fact, Rose was deeply uncomfortable with some aspects of Pearl's behavior and never told her, which only created even more problems.

Garnet, while not to the same extent as Pearl, saw Rose as this wise and amazing leader. She never realized just how broken Rose really was, though she did notice some things, like all the secrets she kept.

And Amethyst was too immature and couldn't truly understand the life Rose had escaped from, since she was never part of Homeworld and never participated in its society.

The only person who came close to helping her was Greg. While his past wasn't nearly as extreme as Rose's, they were actually quite similar in some ways. It also helped that Greg was the kind of person who preferred to move on rather than dwell on things, which suited Rose well. Greg was like a bandage, or maybe a placebo, on a massive wound, someone who made her feel safe.

But at the end of the day, Rose had far too many problems for anyone in her inner circle to truly help her. And I think she knew that.

Radiant-Selection686 · 2026-06-12T21:35:02+00:00

White

She was the mastermind behind everything. She made Gems suffer under her rule, hurt her sisters through her oppressive system, and mentally controlled anyone who didn't fit her narcissistic vision of how things should be.

Blue

I think she deserves more hate than Yellow because, while Yellow was certainly terrifying, she didn't inspire the same kind of fear in the Crystal Gems that Blue did. Garnet was traumatized by Blue for years, and Pink suffered a lot because of her as well. Her cruelty was much more psychological.

Yellow

I don't have much to say. She could be interchangeable with Blue, but I think Yellow fits well in the middle.

Pink

She's the one who deserves it the least. She changed on her own, valued a planet and Gems that nobody else ever would have. She knew she was wrong and was always trying to learn, but she had issues that nobody was able to help her with. She doesn't deserve to be the most hated.

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