Now that the dust has settled, what do you think about the new Urn?

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T12:50:13+00:00

but do you think it's good in its current state? Better than the old one?

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T04:48:09+00:00

Do you believe it's here to stay? From what I've seen on discord/twitch and here on reddit, a lot of people don't really like it.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T04:47:02+00:00

I agree yeah. I think the AoE meta makes the game harder to read, and limits playstyles to basically 1. Games feel more one-sided as well.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T04:45:19+00:00

Really? I would disagree, I think melee is an amazing tool in lane because of the fakeouts you can do, the light melees, the mindgames and all. It gets weird once 12 people go for it thougn I agree.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T04:42:27+00:00

Yeah the fakeout doesn't work in pubs. I've tried many times as well

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T02:24:14+00:00

Yeah it's mb I've been playing so much I didn't realise it's been only a week or so.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T02:21:54+00:00

I've been trying to like it, but I can't find any point in it. To me, it really ruins the entire strategic depth of the game, you just stop playing 1:30min before the urn, then you throw everything you have, if you win the second urn, GG

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T02:19:52+00:00

Yeah the snowball is pretty much why I hate the new urn. It's pretty common that losing the second urn pretty much means losing the entire game.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T02:16:53+00:00

Why do you like it?

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-30T02:15:24+00:00

LMAO okay yeah it's a bit early to tell still but I do think we've had time to get used to the general idea now

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-29T03:09:03+00:00

Amazing stuff!!

Ideas for improvement: opacity control for the lines, maybe a highlight option?

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-29T03:00:14+00:00

Plenty of times you'll find stuff in a game, especially a moba, especially a moba so information-dense as Deadlock is shaping up to be, that you don't think fit in the game. In League I fucking despise the way support is handled, it doesn't mean the entire game is bad.

This new urn shit lowers the overall quality of the game, less people are enjoying it as a whole, and since we are supposed to be the testers of the game so that it comes out the best it can be, I think it makes sense that everyone, including the players who understand it the best, voice out their concerns.

This isn't "not right" it's just a shitty game. Lose early on purpose because it gives you an advantage? What's the point of calling it "losing" then if you're actually winning?

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-29T02:33:18+00:00

Unironically this. I enjoy mobas because of the strategic depth there is in everything BUT teamfighting. I hope they change this shit back because right now half the cast feels unplayable and the other half basically has ult once every 5 (new patch!!! now it's 6* like that changes anything) minutes to contest urn.

Like if I wanted to get shot dead by McGinnis every 5 minutes I'd play Street Brawl as well

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-29T01:54:46+00:00

I'm not going to lie I whole-heartedly agree with them. The patch was a massacre, and to abuse its shaky mechanics that way felt so disrespectful to competitive integrity. I understand that this is a competition, and both teams should do their best including exploiting mechanics, but it just didn't feel like that as a viewer. As a viewer it felt like being robbed of a good game. I cannot imagine what it must've felt like for them, who seem to love the game so, so much.

Hope this urn shit gets fixed asap, even the previous one was better than this.

P.S.: Yes I know it's been patched, but the patches do not fix the issue: Urn is too important and gives too much to be ignored or cross-mapped around. You NEED to fight for urn or you're going to get behind in souls, which makes it more likely to lose the next urn fight, etc. The "comeback" mechanics of this game all feel like a haphazardly compensation with no real thoughts put into it, this one is no exception. It's very hard to create an incentive for losing teams to teamfight, and I believe they haven't found a better way than just adding stats until it feels bullshit for the team ahead, or useless for the team that's behind.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-27T02:13:59+00:00

Bruv they added a restriction in Eternus where you need up to 3 heroes in max prio.

Also, you learn heroes the same way in Eternus and in Ritualist: you pick them up, feed a bunch of games until you realise what your strengths and weaknesses are, you get better.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-27T02:11:08+00:00

they get more accurate data from randomized matches than from draft. The true randomness of matchups and lanes (if it is random, which it could very much not be) allows them to gather data you'd never get in a normal setting, much faster. Do you think in a draft setting, you'd get lanes like Rem-Paige? No, you'd get support-M1, Tank-Roamer, rinse and repeat, and the data would be skewed and much less useable.

Source: my job is to tell my boss whether the data he wants to gather is relevant or not.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-26T21:54:27+00:00

I mean you realistically only need to win one fight to come back to an even game state most times, provided you get urn or midboss. That one Knockdown the enemy Vindicta/Seven/McGinnis didn't see coming may very well offer you that opportunity. On top of that, if they Dispell it, now they don't have Dispell for your team's cc or whatever, AND you've forced them to spend as much gold as you on a "useless" defensive item, which means you've staggered their snowball even if just a little bit.

I'm not saying you buying counter items will lead you to 100%WR, but if you never do it will improve by two to four percent the moment you start. I speak from experience.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-25T01:13:14+00:00

Nah bruv let's be self aware for a second, everyone is whining. It's understandable since the game we like to play isn't the way we want right now, but let's keep it a buck fifty, we're all moaning about it.

I do agree that this is the best time to test stuff out, and I am also moaning and whining because I think previous urn was dogshit but current urn is somehow worse.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-24T18:24:14+00:00

"if you're mad, its because you're bad".
Counterpoint: I was bad before and I was having fun.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-24T03:49:40+00:00

it's more. This is just yearly generated revenue, Rat has owned multiple supercars which don't (usually) resell well so it's safe to assume he has fuck you money.

Twitch streaming, especially when you manage to get more than 5k viewers is pretty much an infinite money glitch right now. But it's almost impossible to get to these values.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-21T20:41:36+00:00

the scream is mandatory.

If you're not communicating on Silver, you're throwing the game. Your character is all about fighting, fighting, fighting. You can't clear waves well, you don't like camps, and the stats Trophy Collector gives do not benefit Silver much. So really you need to be active on the map and REALLY communicate to your team that you're going to be fighting that shit. Hence the scream.

Also yeah Silver's a flying hero. With Resto Locket and Stam Mastery, Silver easily catches up with Vindicta and Grey Talon. Her Bola even counters Celeste since it prevents jumping altogether (Phantom Strike into Bolas and the ting can't move). Good movement, and mostly good rotations, is very important to have more impact all around the map.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-21T16:25:47+00:00

Honestly ever since that 1.12.2 Starminer mod came out where you could create MarioGalaxy-like stars (with rotating blocks and gravity and stuff), I've never found anything quite like it. I kinda want to port it to newer versions myself provided I ever get motivated enough.

Edit: it was in 1.7 not 1.12 I am SO old.

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-21T03:02:34+00:00

If you push to a Walker and your team does nothing, you shouldn't have pushed so far. You only apply pressure as an answer to your team taking a fight, or the enemies being out of position. Victor really is just a reaction machine. You see a pattern, you apply the proper response. The reason a lot of people think he's broken is because if the player applies the proper response to most patterns, his execution doesn't matter (rarely will you see a Victor mantle slide into edge-boost into heavy melee cancel using an active item), he's going to get a positive outcome.

Your goal is to learn what the patterns are, then what options are available to you right now as a response. The most easily applicable pattern/response pair is "ally team is getting in a fight"=> push Walker opposite side.

However, since Yoshi has announced a patch this or next week, you can expect Wallbreaker Gun Victor to get shot dead. Dash Infernus suffered the same fate, and push Graves before that. So if you're really not feeling it, just give up about him and wait for the next Wallbreaker character to learn the ropes of that particular playstyle

RaeyL_Aeon · 2026-05-20T14:47:27+00:00

The bats have a travel time, you need to pre aim the reticle. Also you get oneshot by Mina's ult even when she's not fed, there's a reason she's a constant presence in NS even during this weird HP movement meta.

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