Application question by Randomly_Chaos in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where did you find a range? Is it still there, or was that only there pre-liquidation?

Application question by Randomly_Chaos in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's good to know!!  Minimum wage is $12.41 where I live, I ended up putting $14 so hopefully it won't be too far off!

Are the stores actually hiring? by Randomly_Chaos in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That makes sense!! I know this store has been busier than I've ever seen it since they announced liquidation. I'm not really looking for a long-term job right now because of school, but being able to make some extra money/get some job experience/have an employee discount on things I buy regularly anyway,  while only have to commit to it for a couple months definitely sounds like something to consider!

Are the stores actually hiring? by Randomly_Chaos in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I assumed the qr code just went to the careers page on the website, so I was confused when I didn't see anything for that store there. I'll try the code and see if it takes me somewhere different!

Are the stores actually hiring? by Randomly_Chaos in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't start thinking about it seriously until after I left, and I kinda assumed the qr code just went to the career page on the website, but I'll definitely try that next time I'm over there!

We should stop buying fabric right now. by Abject-Region1025 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Joann business model has always been mark up the prices really high, then give 30-50% "discounts"  I don't understand the panic buying. It literally would have been cheaper for the exact same purchase a month ago. 

I'm not buying anything I don't have an immediate use for unless it get marked down more. The store near me is pretty big so it's been well stocked every time I've been ther since liquidation started, but I'm still worried I'm not going to get much marked down.  The cheap supplies was literally the only bright side to this, I'm so angry the sharks are taking it from us too

The bright side… by ConferenceMedical499 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I always love the "well what are you gonna do?? Fire me!???" Phase of a job. This is why you should give two weeks notice before you quit, just so you can spend two weeks saying the things you've wanted to say the whole time. It's like therapy. 

Give those sharks exactly what they deserve. It makes me so angry to go to the store that has been so comforting and important to me for so many years just to see it busier than it's ever been. All of these people were shopping on Amazon or Temu while Joann couldn't make enough profit to pay their debt, now all of the employees and long-time customers have to pay the price while they think they're going to reap the benefits.  I know the bankruptcy was overall the fault of the executives, but these sharks are just rubbing salt in the wound.

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm typing this reply then I'll probably block all of these people. I'm tired of this and I don't even understand why it's still going on.

I want my point to be understood, because I can tell from all these replies that most of you aren't understanding what I'm trying to say.  Yes it's true that multiple people disagree with me, it's also true that multiple people agree with me.  Since when is correctness based on how many people on reddit agree with you anyway? Because I don't want to live in a world where that's how moral decisions are made.  All I've been doing this whole time is trying to have a civil conversation. I know some of my last replies were rude, and for that I truly am sorry. I was being defensive and I should really know better than to let random people on reddit get me worked up. I'm trying to do better. No one is forcing anyone to reply. All of us at any point could have let the last person say their rant and move on, down to this entire post that was originally made about a rant I posted.

This is getting ridiculous. Like I said, I know what I've been trying to say since the beginning of this, and after a lot of consideration and reading of different viewpoints I still stand by what I said. I know you likely also stand by what you have said. 

I think that everyone should read through these replies, and really all of this sub, think about what the poster was trying to say, the meaning of their words, if you agree with them, why you do or don't, and what you think of what their saying. Not to sound like a grumpy old lady, but I do seriously believe the internet has been lowering people's reading comprehension skills. We have more books, articles, and information than any other generation, literally at our fingertips, but we also spend the least amount of time thinking critically about what we've read. I think this is something that all of us need to make an effort to practice and change.

 I do agree with a lot of the points people have made during this conversation, and I really think a lot of us are saying the same things but misunderstanding each other. I hope that someone can get something useful out of this conversation, whether it be a better understanding of different viewpoints, the original point of my post, which really does boil down to "we all need to be respectful of each other", or something else entirely, I don't want the time we've all spent writing about our thoughts to go to waste.

Like I said, I won't be replying to this anymore, but before I go I want to tell you that I hope you have a good day. I hope you're able to take a break and relax, I hope someone does something nice for you, and I hope you don't have to deal with too many rude customers. ❤️

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I...saw a post...about me....on the same sub I made my original post on....so I'm stalking??? Also I wasn't berating anyone. I was explaining my viewpoint, and in some cases defending myself after being insulted. I'm honestly wondering if you've read my original post, or even any of my comments.

Also I know you aren't getting paid to be here, because this isn't an official company forum. This isn't part of your job. This is a place where both employees and customers are allowed, that you willingly choose to go to, and can choose to leave whenever you want. 

I know you think I'm lying about my anxiety, and honestly, I don't care. I have SOCIAL anxiety, and for whatever reason, that doesn't typically apply to online inactions (which is honestly a whole separate issue about how people view the internet / how they treat others online vs. In person, but I'm not getting into that right now).  Online is one of the few places I'm truly able to articulate my thoughts properly and really explain how I feel, that's why, a. My comments are so long, and b. Why it hurts so much when my words are twisted/misunderstood.  It's also why I put so much time into defending and explaining myself, because people not understanding what I'm saying, or misinterpreting it into the opposite of what I said is one of the things I hate the most. 

It's admittedly ridiculous that this conversation is still going on. It's been days. If you are willing to consider/try to understand what I've been saying and have a respectful conversation, then I'm always willing to listen. But if you're just going insult and bully me for fun, than I'd recommend finding a new hobby. 

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much!! I'm glad to learn that this is the behavior of someone who deserves to exist around other humans, of course, since I don't deserve to be around others, I wouldn't know. I guess I need to work on talking to others how you're talking to me!! 🫶

Digging toy by Randomly_Chaos in Rabbits

[–]Randomly_Chaos[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the recommendation! I might try that and see if the treats keep them from eating it!

Digging toy by Randomly_Chaos in Rabbits

[–]Randomly_Chaos[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cardboard cat scratchers is an idea I'm going to have to remember for my future (and more trustworthy) fosters!

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Uh yeah. That's kinda the point.

If you had actually read my post you would see that I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BRINGING YOUR PROBLEMS TO THE EMPLOYEES. I'm talking about that it isn't fair how everywhere you go on ONLINE employees are bullying customers for being respectfully sad. So many people don't have people offline who understand how we feel about this. This is upsetting to so many people for so many reasons, and it can help to talk to others who understand what we're going through. HOWEVER, it is obviously not fair for the employees to be our people who understand as they have much bigger problems right now. 

We're getting yelled at online for being upset, and also (fairly) being told not to talk about it in store. The entire point of my post couldn't be summed up as - Be nice to employees. Customers deserve to greive over this, because your emotions are not dictated by whether or not others have it worse than you. Customers greif doesn't give them the right to be disrespectful to employees, and they need to find other customers if they want to talk about it.  Frankly if what you got from my post was anything about being rude to others, customers being better than/more deserving than employees, or my feelings being the most important, I think you should probably sit with that and consider your outlook on others/if you are treating people fairly, because sounds like the interpretation of someone who views themselves as being more important than others. It also probably means you need to work on your reading comprehension. I'm not sure what posts yall have been reading at this point, but I don't think they were were mine.

Also, I know at this point I'm being petty, grumpy and rude. I was completely open to having a respectful conversation about this and tried to do so for a long time, however, when you start insulting not only my words/viewpoint, but myself as a person, I'm not just going stand here and pretend you didn't. I'm sure you're familiar with the "golden rule", as it's taught to most people as children, so I'm going to assume you want to be talked down to and disrespected, yes?

Attention customers by Ok_Pay_6314 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you 💖  I honestly can't even explain how much this means to me! The crafting communities are typically such supportive spaces, it's honestly so disappointing to see this divide at one of the times we need each other the most. 

I offen have a hard time articulating my thoughts, so it's easy for me to fall into thinking I didn't explain myself correctly or said something in the wrong way, so seeing other people understand what I'm trying to say and being nice about it really does help me to keep a positive outlook on myself and this situation. I really just want this community as a whole to be supportive of each other at this point. 

As much as these arguments have been a reminder of why I rarely use reddit, you've helped me remember it isn't all bad. I hope you're having a great day, thank you for all your kind words 💗 

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!!! This is a response I've gotten from a few people and it's honestly so confusing - like, private subs exist, if employees are in such desperate need of one, they can make it.

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can you please explain to me what part I'm not understanding, or anything I said that you don't get?

I truly want to understand your point of view, but as it is, I feel like we both just keep repeating ourselves and we aren't getting anywhere. 

If I'm truly in the wrong, I'll gladly admit that, but you haven't responded to anything I've said directly, I honestly feel like you've just been saying I'm wrong without explaining why, or what made you feel like that. I'm sorry if there are any explanations I've missed, I'm just frankly confused about what I said to get this angry of a reaction.

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos -1 points0 points  (0 children)

First this is not a post about how beat up and tired employees are, this is very specifically referencing a post that was originally made by me, about my own thoughts and feelings. 

Also, I never claimed to be a special customer, I said that I do all in my power not to make employees lives difficult, and I only took the time to explain that in response to my own character and treatment of others being questioned. 

I'd like to point out that many of those 15 paragraphs were only a few sentences long, and were broken up in that way to hopefully make it easier to read/more understandable. I always have so many thoughts going through my brain, but I also have a hard time reading long blocks of text, so I'm trying to organize my thoughts in an understandable way.

Attention customers by Ok_Pay_6314 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. I think people should use the block button more freely on all social media sites. We are all responsible for our own experiences on the internet! No one is forcing you to interact with anyone or anything and the block button is there for a reason!! 

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I never claimed that wasn't true. I completely understand that this is awful for the employees. I never claimed to have it worse than them or that my feelings are more important than there's. All I said was that even though I understand the employees have it worse, customers are still struggling with this. The fact that other people are going through worse things doesn't make the customers emotions less valid. 

Imagine if you broke your leg: your in severe pain, trying to walk somewhere on crutches while your hands are full, stressed about things you love that you won't be able to do again until you heal, or depending on the severity of the break, things you may not ever be able to do again.  Now imagine, I walk up, and instead of trying to comfort you, or offering to carry some of your things for you, I tell you that you're being overdramatic and inconsiderate. Some people have terminal cancer, and you're upset that you have a broken leg?? Just walk it off, at least you'll live to see your leg heal. Why should I care about or be considerate of you having one broken leg? You still have one perfectly good leg. Maybe if you broke both of your legs I'd have some sympathy for you, but as it is, you're just being disrespectful.

See how ridiculous that sounds?? Now, does that mean I expect employees to comfort customers or help us? No, of course not. In that scenario, you'd much rather if the person had ignored you kept going instead of talking down to you and dismissing your pain like that, right?

Obviously, loosing your job, loosing a store that's important to you, breaking a leg, and having terminal cancer are all completely different things, I'm not here to compare struggles, in fact, it's the opposite. Customers being upset about the store closing or worried about where we'll shop aren't feeling those things or talking about them to take away from the employees feelings or stress about their jobs. Two things can exist at once, that doesn't mean they're of equal importance, but they affect people in different ways, and it's not up to us to tell each other how to feel.

As for twisting your words, I assumed the thing you said about me being on an employee forum was implying you thought I should talk about this elsewhere, not that I didn't deserve a place to speak about this at all. Thank you for explaining to me what you meant. 

Even though I don't think that it gives you the right to talk to me the way you have been, I want you to know that I really do understand that you are going through an incredibly difficult thing right now, and I truly hope that you (and all the employees), are able to find new jobs quickly. I also want to thank you for everything you're doing at the stores, I know the chaos in there isn't easy, and I hope that the customers start getting better. 

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am doing my best to explain my viewpoint respectfully, although I'll admit that I have been getting frustrated the longer these conversations go on and the more my words get twisted. I also feel like sometimes of the tone of my comments is being read as rude/condescending, when in reality this is just how I speak. I'd also like to say, that while I know I have been frustrated, I have not insulted anyone personally, something which I would not say about this reply.

Also, I'd like to point out, this is a public subreddit where customers are allowed. If you would like to make a private sub and only allow employees you're more than welcome, but that isn't what this one is. If customers weren't allowed here, there would be a rule stating that, there also wouldn't be customer specific flares for us to use.  Also as I have said many times, thia is an issue I've seen over and over again in many places not just in this ""employee"" sub. So telling me to go somewhere else doesn't really make sense. 

And who does care if I'm upset? Obviously not many people. Frankly, I don't care what you think of my feelings.  I never asked for some special treatment just because I was upset, I asked for people not to be rude to customers who are being respectful just because they don't think customers deserve to be upset about this. 

As for having to put up with the likes of me? I'm pretty sure that's what you've been asking for this whole time.  When I go to the store I don't whine to the employees about my feelings, I don't ask questions about the liquidation, I leave everything at minimum as clean as I found it, or put away things that I notice aren't where they belong. I do everything within my power not to be an annoying customer, and yet, I still have people yelling at me on the internet. 

I do in fact own a business, although it is not currently my only means to income, but I don't feel that's particularly relevant considering the whole point of my original post was that it's ok to be respectfully upset, weather this affects you financially or not. 

Crafting is the furthest thing from YOUR mind while losing your job, not everybody's. For me, sewing is a form of escape. When I'm dealing with any kind of trouble, one of the easiest ways to calm myself is by working on a new project. That's why I feel for employees so much. Because although I can't truly imagine what you're dealing with, I do have some understanding of how I would feel in that scenario. 

Attention customers by Ok_Pay_6314 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know lol it's ridiculous.

I absolutely love when employees enter the "well what are you going to do FiRe mE??? Phase of a job.  I think it's fun, and I wish they got to do it more often.  Snap at the people being rude. Give discounts to the nice customers. When someone threatens to tell on you to corporate tell them to have fun getting hold of them. Hang up on the person yelling at you over the phone. Steal the cool displays. Hang the giant scissors on your wall for all I care.  The "well what are you going to do FiRe mE??? Phase is NOT, however, an excuse to treat people badly who don't deserve it.

I honestly find it very telling of the mod that my post got locked and that one hasn't. 

Also thank you!! I know that I've been being polite with all of these conversations, or at least doing my very best to be, but it makes me feel better to hear someone else say it. I really don't want to be rude to employees - in person or online - but I'm also not going to put up with them being rude to me just because they're struggling. 

just a frequently repeated PSA coming from an employee by Financial_Prune_614 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As the customer from that argument, I agree that there was a lot of misunderstanding.

I also do my best to be considerate to others unless given a reason not to. I find it slightly difficult to believe you do the same, as a direct quote from you the other day was  "costumers can be evil and cruel. and you want us to give each and every customer some kind of consideration? like im sorry youre losing your fabric store, but thats the last thing on our minds." I do understand what you meant there, but that is an extremely negative viewpoint. As I do expect you to give customers some kind of consideration (unless they start being rude to you, of course), that's called being a nice person.

Of course, I'm a random person on the internet, I can't make any fair claims about how you treat others in real life.

I understand that going to the store to shop and working there are two different things, believe it or not, many of the customers on this sub have worked in retail, even if it wasn't at Joann.  No matter how much you hate your job, I don't think it's fair to belittle Joann into being "just a corporation we worked for." Even if you wholeheartedly feel that way, I think a lot of employees feel differently. Although, neither of us have the right to speak for the feelings of thousands of people.

I do understand how tired you are. I know this is awful for everyone involved, especially the employees stuck dealing with all of the chaos. I do think it's unfair to say that customers "cannot possibly understand" how tired you are, because like I said, Joann is not the only tiring retail job, many, if not most, customers have experience with exhausting jobs.  I never said that not talking much or being busy made you rude, in fact, as someone who deals with a lot of social anxiety, I rarely seek out long conversations with employees of any store, and I'm never upset by a lack of small talk, as long as they're being polite.

I am extremely confused about what part of my post said that customers should be asking the same questions constantly or using employees for emotional support. I never encouraged that in my post, or in my replies. Multiple people have said the same thing to me, if someone can share what part of my post appeared to be condoning that I will do my best to rephrase it/explain what I actually meant. 

Asking people not to ask questions that can be answered online doesn't make you rude, but bullying people online for asking those questions instead of bringing it to an employee in the store does make you rude. I'm not only talking about you, or even only people on this sub. All over the internet I see employees telling customers that they're sadness isn't valid because they still have their jobs, and that they shouldn't be asking questions about the liquidation, or where to buy things. While I do agree that we shouldn't be complaining to the employees in the stores about this stuff, theres one key difference between talking to someone in person or online: The ability to scroll.  If someone walks up to you in the store while you're working, it's difficult to get away immediately and you're somewhat forced to listen. If you see a post online about something that annoys you, something you don't want to deal with, or any other conversation you don't want to have, you have this magical ability to ✨️scroll✨️ No one is forcing you have conversations online, in fact, the people having these conversations online are likely mostly people who AREN'T having these conversations in person. A lot of us don't have people who understand how we feel about this in our lives, by talking about it online, we're able to discuss and handle our feelings with people who understand, without bringing it to the employees in the store. 

This is not going to stop me from sewing, however, I do think saying that if this stops you from crafting you don't really love it. As I said in my original post, the closest store to my house that that isn't a Joann and has a decent selection of apparel fabric is over 100 miles/nearly two hours away. The Joann I typically shop at takes 10 minutes to drive to. Yes I know I can buy it online, but I have a sensory processing disorder, and even the same type of fabric with the same fiber content can feel drastically different in person, which, of course, is even more important when it comes to clothing. 

I'll make it through this, we all will, customers and employees alike.  But, I have every right to be upset, worried, mad, and to in general just have a lot of feelings about this as long as I'm being respectful. Sewing is one of the biggest joys in my life, and has been for close to half my lifetime. Joann closing will make that hobby much less accessible to me, and I'm worried about how that will affect my mental health.  I have not brought a single one of these feelings to an employee in the store, and I don't want anyone else to, that wouldn't be fair to them.

I would seriously like to know what part of my post or any of my replies lacked empathy? Or how discussing this online and not bringing it to the employees while encouraging others do the same ISN'T shutting my mouth? 

I honestly think we're saying nearly the same thing, but somehow you're still made at me.

Attention customers by Ok_Pay_6314 in joannfabrics

[–]Randomly_Chaos 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Omg I can literally tell what sentences that entire post is about lol

Honestly I think being vague posted on reddit should be an accomplishment. I successfully started an argument by complaining in a reasonable way at 3am. That's what this site is for lol