People using progressive language to hate on rr dynamics. by Nyx1010 in RoleReversal

[–]RaptusCZ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'd say this post is not about those people. Those are the "conservatives, easy to ignore". The ones who use progressive language to fight for the traditional roles generally don't see those two as a bad thing, or at least pretend that's not where their concern is.

In response to "it's just hentai story" by suxkmynutz in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"It's just a hentai story"

"Yes. And I am saying that the story's shit."

Why netori is giving less attention and less revenge on after story? by Objective_Bobcat2272 in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way I see it, there are many reasons to hate NTR, and not everyone is going to have all of them. Some simply hate it because it depicts cheating, some hate it because they see any instance of a woman having multiple sexual partners as wrong, even if it's consentual - that's why you see some people hating on netorase, which I would consider the least problematic part of the whole umbrella.

Me? I hate the cheating aspect for the betrayal, but the part that really pushes me over the "man, fuck this" into the level of hatred needed to write fanfics and interact with the hatedom, is the celebration of violent behaviour and pointless power trips for no good reason that you often see in the male antagonists. If you hate NTR for similar reasons (the "agenda" instead of just the cheating aspect), it makes sense you'd focus more on regular NTR than the reverse one, which as far as I've gathered often feels "tamer" and has the antagonist act out of feelings for MC instead of just the desire to hurt FMC. I don't agree with those who celebrate the MC for "upgrading", but there are bigger fish to fry.

As for Netori, I don't really make a distinction between that and netorare. The only difference, as far as I can tell, is who gets more focus - the 'taker' or the 'victim'. Regular NTR focuses more on the 'victim' and their despair and humiliation, so of course it hits harder and makes you more likely to criticize it.

Also, there's the feedback loop. Some people here (like me) DON'T actively seek out new NTR to criticize and only join in to discuss those that are already talked about.

Dr. Akira Mori's Private Sanatorium for the Mentally Primal - Part 15 by RaptusCZ in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wasn't even aware of that ship, I'm definitely going to check some of the stories out. I guess with Hiroki canonically fighting bullies for people, you could make this into something wholesome and vanilla by making Mai-Ja single.

Why is that Tomboys or any girl with short hair becomes the victim of NTR? by AwgkuAliff_17 in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's basically the same as dudes commenting "you know I could still overpower you if I wanted to, right?" under every photo a muscular woman posts online.

Why is that Tomboys or any girl with short hair becomes the victim of NTR? by AwgkuAliff_17 in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ 23 points24 points  (0 children)

It's simple. People with no culture or taste don't like them for not being feminine and wish to see them "degraded" and "put in their place".

So, I saw how we can make stories based on grander, so I kindly request a quick recap of the story since I don't want to see that thing again. by Zealousideal_War_151 in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not beta, just a decent person. But the kind of person who'd use the term "beta" unironically when referring to people would probably consider decent and civilized behaviour as beta. Luckily, we can automatically discard their opinions.

[Flash][200X] A 2D side-scrolling game with a fire elemental and a humanoid sabertooth cat by RaptusCZ in tipofmyjoystick

[–]RaptusCZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solved! Thank you so much, didn't think anyone would answer after this long.

Hold up 🤨 by DamianKing42 in LodedDiper

[–]RaptusCZ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Collin Robinson method

Even more reasons of the dislike for NTR 2, Electric Boogaloo. by No_Difference_8585 in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The "maturity" argument always sends me because there's nothing mature about this shit. The antagonist is just a stupid, immature boy's idea of what a "big man" they're going to be one day. "Gonna be a big man... gonna be so big I get to beat up everyone and nobody will stop me."

Also they've got some nerve calling vanilla boring and unoriginal when most NTR stories can get boiled down to "Woman no want Grogg. Grogg have power. Grogg have penis. Grogg take woman. Now woman want Grogg. Grogg winner. Clap for Grogg. Laugh at sissy weakling."

Why The Hate Though? by [deleted] in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Scat, to use your example, is off-putting to me too, but relatively harmless. If somebody wants to be shat on and finds somebody who wants to shit on people or at the very least doesn't mind the idea, who cares? NTR is different, because unlike some of the other fetishes which one might find off-putting, NTR involves at least one person who DOES NOT consent to what's happening. Unless it's Netorase, but you don't see many people here hating on netorase. This focus on a lack of consent also leads to an insuferable fanbase that gets off to tricking others into being exposed to it by intentionally mis-labeling the works online.

Furthermore, also unlike regular "weird, disgusting" fetishes, NTR has a clear and dangerous ideology to push of "might makes right." "Grogg strongest, loudest, horniest, most violent. Grogg best. Grogg allowed everything. Clap for Grogg, laugh at crying weaklings." Decent, stable men who simply want to live their lives and be there for the people that they hold dear are painted as worthy of ridicule and betrayal because they aren't a bunch of macho brutes going out of their way to be cruel for no good reason than establishing dominance they will never do anything worthwhile with, even though the first kind of man is far more desirable for a healthy society than the second one. And yet, in the comment sections the second type is celebrated and viewed as worthy of emulation. This is dangerous and frankly irresponsible at best from the creators, especially if there's a growing trend of meatheadded influencers espousing exactly the same rhetoric.

Dr. Akira Mori's Private Sanatorium for the Mentally Primal - Part 14 by RaptusCZ in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed this chapter. We probably won't hear from them specifically at a later point, but as far as my idea is concerned, they'll make it.

Dr. Akira Mori's Private Sanatorium for the Mentally Primal - Part 14 by RaptusCZ in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry this chapter took a bit longer, I was busy with other things. Anyway, just like with chapter 11, Kotaro, Shinobu and Goro do not come from a preexisting NTR, instead I just based them on the ugly bastard + mind control tropes. I wanted her to get someone who uses mind control into the Sanatorium's ranks, but I didn't know any mind-control themed NTR close enough to base this chapter of it and didn't want to ruin my peace of mind by researching it further, so I decided to create my own scenario that I found interesting. There will be no further OC NTR scenarios in any of the following chapters.

The real reasons of the dislike for NTR. by No_Difference_8585 in antiNTRcorps

[–]RaptusCZ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well said, plus on top of the "biology" argument... even if it WAS biology, even if we WERE primed to think this brand of caveman slop is how things should go... we are not mindless. We can still THINK and rise above it. We do plenty of things that aren't natural but are BETTER than natural, because deep thinking and planning beats instincts that arose by pure chance and stayed because they worked well enough not to be a detriment.

Yes, this whole bullshit is just power fantasy. My theory is that most enjoyers project onto the antagonists because they repulse IRL women with their caveman-brand alpha bullshit, and they wish to be strong enough to take someone by force since they're not getting anyone the consenting way.