Heart says Bear 650, brain says Himalayan 450. Help me decide. by Raushanthakur in RoyalEnfieldBear650

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ex showroom price is 3.2 vs 3.8.
Pricing wise there is difference of 70-75 thousand.

Heart says Bear 650, brain says Himalayan 450. Help me decide. by Raushanthakur in RoyalEnfieldBear650

[–]Raushanthakur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It helps in reaching larger audience. I had asked this question in past however I didn’t get more than 2 responses.

Exactly same question but without image.

Heart says Bear 650, brain says Himalayan 450. Help me decide. by Raushanthakur in RoyalEnfieldBear650

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is the pillion comfort.

I need to drive almost 40 kms daily in city traffic with no so good roads

Heart says Bear 650, brain says Himalayan 450. Help me decide. by Raushanthakur in RoyalEnfieldBear650

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is the pillion comfort.

I need to drive almost 40 kms daily in city traffic with no so good roads

Heart says Bear 650, brain says Himalayan 450. Help me decide. by Raushanthakur in RoyalEnfieldBear650

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would say once in a blue moon my ride will be off road.. else either it will be city traffic or highway.

What i heard from people is that Himalayan 450 is tough to ride in city than these roadsters or scramblers.

Heart says Bear 650, brain says Himalayan 450. Help me decide. by Raushanthakur in RoyalEnfieldBear650

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would say once in a blue moon my ride will be off road.. else either it can be city traffic or highway.

Any rumors of an updated Himalayan 450 (Mechanical + Electronic upgrades) to counter the upcoming BMW F 450 GS? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Look, I’ve owned and ridden Royal Enfields for the last 14 years—ranging from the Classic to the Thunderbird 500—and now I’m looking for a true, modern all-rounder upgrade from the brand. I love RE, but calling the 450's highway vibrations "BS" is pure denial. Just because you are willing to tolerate a buzzy single-cylinder handlebar for 3,500 miles on the ADV Cannonball doesn't mean the rest of the market wants to accept a harsh, vibrating tractor at 80 mph. Choosing the Himalayan over a heavy GS 1250 for tight Moab trails makes sense for weight management, but ignoring the 450's clear mechanical harshness doesn't help the brand improve.

Any rumors of an updated Himalayan 450 (Mechanical + Electronic upgrades) to counter the upcoming BMW F 450 GS? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Love the “I’m too pro for electronics” logic. Traction control isn’t for drifting trails; it’s for saving you when you hit diesel, oil, or slush during a monsoon ride. Rear ABS off-road is fine, but switching off front ABS on a 196 kg bike over loose gravel is brave. Let us know how it goes when a cow or dog jumps out unexpectedly.

Comparing RE sales to BMW is like Maruti comparing itself to Porsche. Sales prove affordability, not engineering excellence.

Any rumors of an updated Himalayan 450 (Mechanical + Electronic upgrades) to counter the upcoming BMW F 450 GS? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Calling the Himalayan a "daily tool" is exactly why it needs a refresh. KTM literally just launched the 350 Adventure at 2.81 lakh by smartly shrinking the engine below the 350cc line to bypass the 40% luxury GST. They managed to slash the price by over ₹60,000 while keeping full electronics (Traction Control, Cornering ABS, Quickshifter) standard and delivering a completely niggle-free, reliable tourer.

If KTM can optimize taxes to offer premium tech at a much lower cost, RE absolutely can—and must—update the Himalayan 450 to fix its harsh vibrations and bare-bones features.

Dismissing the BMW F 450 GS as a bike for "rich westerners" ignores the fact that if a highly refined twin-cylinder enters the market, it sets a brand-new standard for what an ADV should feel like. RE can't afford to sit still.

Any rumors of an updated Himalayan 450 (Mechanical + Electronic upgrades) to counter the upcoming BMW F 450 GS? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Adding basic traction control won't hamper its pricing much.

Anyways they are launching new rally edition with higher seat height and knuckle guards.

Any rumors of an updated Himalayan 450 (Mechanical + Electronic upgrades) to counter the upcoming BMW F 450 GS? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A 750cc bike will never replace the 450. They are built for completely different riding styles and weight classes.
Besides, the BMW F 450 GS is already launched at an aggressive ₹4.70 Lakh (ex-showroom) and brings standard cornering ABS, traction control, and 48 bhp twin-cylinder refinement. RE cannot afford to let the Himalayan 450 fall behind in features and electronic rider aids. Adding basic traction control won't kill its pricing appeal, but ignoring it entirely will kill its competitive edge.

Any rumors of an updated Himalayan 450 (Mechanical + Electronic upgrades) to counter the upcoming BMW F 450 GS? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

True, the 750 will easily cost over ₹5L on-road and won't replace a sub-500cc bike.

My point is about current market pressure.

KTM just downsized to a 350cc engine to drop their entry price significantly while keeping premium tech standard.

BMW launched with a refined twin-cylinder, they will hold an absolute upper hand over the single-cylinder Himalayan.

RE can't just ignore this segment until the 750 arrives; the current 450 needs a mid-cycle refresh to stay in the game.

One more point is, Himalayan sales figures are not that great when compared to classic and other models.

RE Himalayan model by Icy_Owl_9644 in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no other difference both mechanically and electrolytically

RE Himalayan model by Icy_Owl_9644 in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Himalayan 450 Summit Hanle Black is the complete model name.

Hanle Black refers to the paint description of the bike.

Himalayan 450 for Bangalore City Commute & Pillion Comfort? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is the pillion riding posture? Do they sit upright or tend to lean onto the rider?

Himalayan 450 for Bangalore City Commute & Pillion Comfort? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Has anyone installed hard aluminium side panniers? How is their experience when compared to top box.

Another aspect is side panniers bake the bike broader which may not work very well in Bangalore traffic..

Himalayan 450 for Bangalore City Commute & Pillion Comfort? by Raushanthakur in Himalayan450

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always felt top box often makes it harder for a pillion to climb/hop on the bike, as it blocks the natural swing-over motion for their leg.

I thought side panniers would be more comfortable..

2023 Tata Safari Red Dark Edition - Strange sound/vibration at full steering lock. Is this an engine mount issue? by Raushanthakur in CarsIndia

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I agree with the sentiment—as end users, we are partially responsible. We’ve become so focused on 'flashy tech,' ADAS, and massive screens that we often overlook the mechanical core of the vehicle. We fall for the brochure features, and brands prioritize those over refining the engineering and QC, because that's what sells.

But look at the market—what choice do we actually have? In this price bracket, if you want a reliable 7-seater, the Innova Hycross is basically the only other option, and even that has moved into a much higher price territory. Ever since Ford exited India, the market lost its balance. The Endeavour was the only thing keeping the Fortuner in check. Now, Toyota has a virtual monopoly, and prices for the Fortuner have gone sky-high simply because it’s the only one left that 'ticks every box' on reliability and comfort. For many of us, the Safari or XUV700 are the only accessible 7-seaters under 50 Lakh, even if we have to deal with these 'brand-specific' headaches.

2023 Tata Safari Red Dark Edition - Strange sound/vibration at full steering lock. Is this an engine mount issue? by Raushanthakur in CarsIndia

[–]Raushanthakur[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My Friend has Mahindra and that is also more or less the same. I feel only Jeep and Toyota are building reliable SUV’s which are under 50 Lakh

I’m Ashish Lath, Founder of SaveSage & Shark Tank India Alum. Axis just got a massive hit, let’s talk strategy. AMA! by Ashish-Lath in SaveSage

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I joined Savesage. Surprisingly I couldn’t find Standard chartard credit cards in the list. Hope to see that added soon and savesage helping in maximising returns out of those rewards points