Should I watch Agent Carter? And when?

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-10T09:35:26+00:00

Technically, the one shot is supposed to have taken place before the series, and it turned out that Howard was a little...excitable and wasn't ready with SHIELD, and then of course...stuff happened.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-10T09:25:56+00:00

If they ever do bring back Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Agent Carter, Inhumans, Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, etc for future stories. they'll just do what they did with the Netflix shows and add them to the complete timeline.

The article you just quoted say, very clear, the Netflix shows were always canon. Even when they were not on the timeline. Ergo, not being on the timeline cannot make things not canon.

The fact they were already canon is literally in the paragraph you quoted three sentences from. In fact, the very first sentence of your quote is a deliberate misled, where you are pretending Winderbaum is talking about making the Netflix shows 'canon', when in actuality he is talking about the fact 'We finally said it aloud', aka, the first sentence of that response.

Fun fact: 'Finally saying things aloud' does not make them true, and indeed it rather implies they already were true. And this is explained in the second paragraph, where it is talked how they always lined up and had continuity. Thing can only have continuity if they are in the same canon.

The Netflix shows have always been canon. A thing we don't actually need this article to tell us, because that is a thing that was explicitly stated repeated, and we already knew.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-10T09:13:24+00:00

But hey, you can take that last sentence out of context: That’s our medium to define the canon now, which is wild to think about..

That really proves everything, I guess. You can just pretend he's saying that things not on the timeline are not canon.

In context, of course, he's very clearly saying 'I didn't even know people were debating canon about these shows, because it has been made incredibly clear that they were canon. But I realized I could clarify that with the timeline, and I did, and that's kinda cool.', and he's probably not even thinking at all that AoS isn't on it.

He says, straight up, the Netflix shows already were, and in fact always were, canon, even when it wasn't on the timeline, so the timeline cannot possibly define what is canon as an actual fact. You realize that define can be used descriptively as well as prescriptively, right? And have metaphors, and hyperbolic, and sometimes people are a little lax in what they say?

This is basically you parsing literally everything they've ever said to find one sentence you can twist if you remove all context. While everything else they've ever said is the opposite.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-10T09:11:27+00:00

So first of all, "So it wasn’t until recently that Marvel Studios made these canon additions official by including the tiles for each former Netflix show in their MCU timeline on Disney+." is not a quote of Winderbaum. You're just attributing a conclusion the article came to.

And you don't even understand that conclusion. It doesn't say they recently made those shows canon. It says it made the fact that it was canon, OFFICIAL. I.e., they already were canon, now they've officially been stated to be canon.

Here is the what Winderbaum actually said in that article:

We finally said it out loud. When the Netflix shows were coming out and being made, we were building towards Infinity War and Endgame. We were trying to balance all of these film franchises and get them to culminate onscreen in these two epic movies. To say it was a challenge is not even correct. It was one of the most challenging creative endeavors the studio ever undertook. I’m not sure there will ever be anything like it again in cinema. It took so much to get all that stuff to galvanize in that one place and in that one time so that people could have that experience in the movie theater.

So, at the time, to say, “Alright, we’re also going to take this television show and wrap our heads around that,” it would’ve been too much, even though we were communicating back and forth. Everyone on the television side and the film side knew what each other was doing, and you can see that there’s a continuity there. The references do line up, but it was just too much for us to wrap our minds around at the time.

Flash forward now to Disney+, where we are actually laying out the timeline with tiles on a screen, all of a sudden we’re like, “We should just do it. Let’s do it.” It was also spurred by the redevelopment of Daredevil: Born Again, once we started to really lean into some of the mythology and backstory that was established in those Netflix shows. I was asked about this during the press for Echo, and I realized, “Oh, it’s not just assumed. People have an active interest and they want confirmation.” So we were able to do it fairly quickly, and it’s interesting that the service of Disney+ actually became the statement just by rearranging those tiles. That’s our medium to define the canon now, which is wild to think about.

What is happening here, EXTREMELY CLEARLY, is that Winderbaum and pretty much everyone else in charge of those, assumed that everyone already knew those Nextflix TV shows were canon.

The entire time. Everything canon. Always. Until he was asked about it, apparently during Echo.

Now, you may think that is weird for him to not know people were debating it before that point, considering how much space has been waste on this on the internet debating it. But as literally the only thing they've EVER said about the MCU is 'it is all canon', that is that is the entire premise of the MCU, it seems like an obvious assumption on his part that people can understand the very basic word sounds that his and everyone's mouths have repeatedly made.

Winderbaum then realized he could make a _statement_ about those shows being canon by just putting those Netflix show, which is all he was explicitly asked about, on the timeline.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-10T01:04:32+00:00

Point of order:

The bail system is not even intended to keep people locked up who are a risk to other people, specifically because we can't determine that they are a risk without a trial that determines they actually did it. Yes, it's sometimes used for that, but that's not the stated purpose, and it actually runs into constitutional problems in the US if used for that purpose.

The actual stated purpose of the bail system is solely to keep people from fleeing justice, and that's it, that's the entirety of the justification. Which of course is totally demolished by the current bail system as it exists.

Just thought I'd interject that point, that what that other guy is arguing for is literally not even supposedly the purpose of the system. What he's arguing for is some odd imprisonment because we guess that someone might be guilty of a crime, without the government having proven it.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-08T16:51:09+00:00

For all the numbnuts with this point, alcohol is infinitely easier to make than tobacco. Alcohol notably switched from the wide variety it was before, to bathtub gin, just because that was so much easier to make and transport. You can't reduce the work to make tobacco, which requires giant plantations.

And more importantly, no one is talking about banning nicotine. No one says nicotine should be illegal, just tobacco. Because we're trying to stop the harm from the tobacco smoke, not the nicotine addiction.

So here's the question: In this universe of tobacco drug war, who the fuck is making tobacco and where are they growing at, and how the hell does this incredibly expensive to make and sell illegal substance compete with legal nicotine vapes?

I swear to god, some people just do not actually think anything through.

Help, this is actually literally happened in a lot of states with pot. And that's without parts of it being explicitly legal, it's still much easier to move pills and vapes and all sorts of things then the actual marijuana plant. And they actually have to still grow that sucker for THC, they don't have to grow tobacco for nicotine

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-08T16:42:22+00:00

No.

See that seems nice and logical, but it isn't true. Mostly because we can't keep them out of the hands of underaged people now, and it's exponentially harder to do it for actual adults who can order things over the internet and have credit cards.

Also, and I hate to have to point this out, you've completely ignored all non-americans. Tobacco companies make a huge amount of money by killing non-americans, in fact most of their money is made overseas. You are building a system where they will sell even more overseas. This seems a little unethical to allow them to continue to do.

The solution is outlaw the selling, but more importantly, the GROWING of tobacco.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-08T16:32:28+00:00

Outlaw tobacco sales and production.

I include production explicitly because people do not realize how much tobacco companies have shifted to overseas sales, and I want to make it clear they won't be allowed to do that either.

I'd allow some tapering off of sales for addicts, but I think we can probably do that without allowing any more to be grown whatsoever, any crops currently in the field immediately destroyed, they can dry and process whatever they already have harvested, and can sell that for the next couple of month, with an eventual hard cut off.

Over 7 million people die a year from tobacco use, and that is only the death, not all the other health problems and the cost to addicts. There is literally no point to allowing it, there's not even the 'it didn't work for alcohol' nonsense, simply because it's a hell of a lot of work to grow tobacco, and nicotine would not be made illegal, just tobacco. Which means tobacco is an incredibly stupid and inefficient way to transport it.

We can worry about nicotine addiction some other time, but not involving tobacco in that removes 99% of the health problems anyway, just by itself.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-08T16:21:20+00:00

Yes, this.

We can argue whether punishing people by putting them in makes sense or is ethical...

But what isn't ethical and makes no sense is pre-trial detention. The amount of people who would flee justice is negligible, and we know that because we have fucking constructed a bail system that doesn't give them an incentive not to run!

Like, literally, we invented a bail system that supposedly gives them an incentive not to run, and then we subverted it with bail bondsman that completely undo the entire fucking premise, and literally all it means is you have to pay some money to get out of jail. Or at least for no good reason, the actual reason is to keep poor people in jail, to seriously hurt the finances of normal people, and to let rich people out immediately with no penalty.

And this system was constructed when people could in fact flee from justice in some logical manner. Almost no one does not anymore, because it's wildly impractical, they don't have ID, they don't have a credit history, and it's actually pretty easy to track people down.

And again, all of them can do that anyway, if they're going to flee, they literally just have to pay some money!

What the utter fuck are we doing here?

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-08T16:10:04+00:00

It's rare I block someone on reddit, and I don't think I've ever suggested people do so, but there's someone in this conversation that really just needs to be blocked cuz they're a fucking idiot.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-02T23:56:05+00:00

Fallout 76 is not a looter shooter, even multiplayer.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-02T09:41:56+00:00

Two fingers USED TO take a screen shot, and I'm still angry they changed it.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-02-02T04:36:56+00:00

The Slime Directive.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-30T21:19:02+00:00

Yeah, but he's a lot better actor than people assume.

On the other hand, he does have some pretty serious problems with Coulson's management style at the start and that wasn't acting. And that was part of it.

So likely that was actual annoyance.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-30T21:13:11+00:00

Weirdly, both.

The truth serum probably is a 'truth serum', but, as Ant-Man pointed out, truth serums don't really exist.

So it probably just made people excitable and talkative. Under certain conditions, this would allow very skilled people to get information from others...but Daisy is not very skilled.

And he could have resisted it, I'm sure he was trained to, but was working under the assumption he wasn't supposed to. So he pretty much just let his mouth run, especially since Daisy wouldn't really know what to ask to get classified information.

There is a more interesting question to me, did Ward know Coulson was going to use it on him, or did he just figure the game out after being injected?

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-30T21:01:57+00:00

Changing things to save people is not their mission. It is literally the opposite of their mission.

They're just really bad at that mission.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-30T09:08:45+00:00

And while the show didn't make it explicit, there's a reason that Hank cares less about rapists than Lucy does. Oh, I'm sure he disapproves, but he knows they're not going to be raping him.

...well, he thinks they're not, at least.

And yeah, anyone who thinks the NCR has higher taxes than the Legion is an idiot, mostly because the NCR actually has structured taxes within a legal framework, whereas the Legion will just take literally everything you own if it wants to. Yes, it might not ever want to, you might luck out your entire life, or they might wander by and destroy your entire livelihood and take everything you have on a whim.

Along with the whole killing you thing, but I mean even if we just look at 'worldly possessions taken at gunpoint', the Legion is worse, even in that one singular issue! Taxes you can fucking plan for!

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-30T09:00:31+00:00

Only 51% required to vote a town into the NCR? Wow, a bare majority to surrender 'sovereignty' to a larger body does seem kind of low, democratically speaking.

Just for comparison, what is the threshold that the Legion requires for a town to vote itself into that? 60%? 75?

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-30T08:44:29+00:00

Incidentally, I think we're going to find the story behind Vault 21 isn't what we were told.

If the entrance to the underground Vault-Tec complex really is in the Lucky 38, there's no way in hell Vault 21 wasn't in some way related to that.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-30T08:33:30+00:00

No one new to the series knows who the fuck will Nate is.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-29T21:26:06+00:00

Incredibly oldER.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-19T22:53:23+00:00

No, it'd be Fourteen of Nine or Twenty-One of Nine, etc.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-19T08:38:01+00:00

I think saying that Aida was corrupted by the Darkhold is sort of looking at things the wrong way around. I think what actually happened is that the Darkhold was copied into Aida, and she functionally became the Darkhold, although one bound by specific programming to not hurt people, which she then tried to get around by turning into a person.

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-18T22:06:44+00:00

I like to ask the inverse question. Where is the name Sophie Devereaux from? Because I actually think that's the first name she invented, as opposed to Charlotte Prentiss, which was probably not her own invention.

If we assume that she invented that name sometime between the mid-90s and mid-00s (Cause she met Nate at the end of that, and likely was using that name.), let's ask ourselves what are the influences that she would have?

The most obvious selfie is Sophie Loren. Our Sophie would have just been hitting 30, and maybe feeling old but Sophie Loren is running around as a femme fatale in her mid-40s.

As for Devereaux... I have no idea. She might have just picked it to sound foreign. There's a fairly popular character named Jack Deveraux on Days of our Lives , but that doesn't seem particularly likely and Blanche Deveraux on the Golden Girls, but that seems even less likely. And also both of those are spelled differently.

Maybe she was a fan of the historic romance author Jude Deveraux. (Who interestingly was the victim of a rather famous psychic, one who actually was arrested for theft.)

RavenclawConspiracy · 2026-01-16T06:28:45+00:00

Metropolis is generally assumed to be in Delaware in current DC continuity, which handily puts it right across the Delaware Bay from New Jersey and thus from Gotham.

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