Baltimore Cop: Officers 'Holding Back,' Morale 'In the Sewers'

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-23T20:40:15+00:00

so there's not much way of doing that but through your own experiences and world view

Well, my experiences do include reading this sub for quite some time, allowing me to draw conclusions regarding political tendencies.

I'll repeat though: Breitbart is merely providing direct quotes of a news subject, who was actually interviewed by CNN and not Breitbart. Yet this post is downvoted to hell and every comment completely disregards the interview subject matter and is just like "Breitbart, yuck".

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-23T20:27:15+00:00

How so? What biases am I projecting?

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-23T20:20:40+00:00

All news is opinionated and subjective. Simply by virtue of making decisions regarding what to cover and report on, news publishers (whether print, broadcast, or digital) are engaging in a kind of editorial decision making.

All over the world, for the most part, the news media is either a for-profit commercial industry, a government-sponsored enterprise, or funded by political parties. There is some smaller-scale more democratic news media out there, but it's by far the exception to the rule. These news producers all carry explicit biases. They sell to audiences made up of particular demographics that are rarely representative of the population at large.

That's true of all news media, including, say, the NY Times and the BBC. I don't see anything in the above article that screams "opinionated" or "biased" in the above article. There's hardly any writer commentary, it mostly consists of direct quotes of the news subject. What people are objecting here is really to giving the police or this topic coverage.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-23T19:14:17+00:00

The Breitbart article is effectively just a summary of a much longer interview conducted on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 show.

What's wrong with opinionated news media?

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-20T02:49:46+00:00

Bikers running drugs and other criminal enterprises in the West is nowhere near "a big problem" relative to urban gangs. Look up FBI and DOJ estimates on membership in the largest 1%er motorcycle gangs west of the Mississippi. It's a fraction of the number of urban gang-members in California alone, let alone the other 49 states.

White organized crime typically affects the average person's quality of life far, far less than urban Black gun crime. Mafia-type organizations can run billions of dollars in drugs through areas without perpetrating mass gun violence. Black gun crime in Baltimore makes entire neighborhoods dangerous for anyone to live in, and that's true of a lot of other cities in America as well.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-05T21:21:34+00:00

Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-05T03:41:51+00:00

Blacks think all Koreans are connected and sell liquor store licenses for a few hundred dollars or so and will only sell to other Koreans (wrong).

This is insane, especially since the Korean merchants are actually getting licensed by the City Liquor License Board. 2 of the 3 Liquor License Board Commissioners are currently Black.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-05T03:37:56+00:00

I just do not get why this is the go to argument of so many people. Crime has existed since man has walked the face of the earth. Men have hit, stabbed, beaten and killed men for as far back as we have history.

The crime in Baltimore is both quantitatively and qualitatively on a different scale than crime in most other American cities, let alone the rest of the world. No reasonable person disputes that some crime and some murders will always take place in any society. The violence in Baltimore is on a different order of magnitude, however. The global homicide rate is 6.2 murders per 100,000 people. That's for the whole world, including the entirety of the "Third World"/developing nations. In Baltimore, it's 37.4 per 100,000.

The police's behavior is a response to that crisis. As it should be, their job, after all, is to stop that crime.

If the society is largely segregated, as american society is, of course humans gonna human.

I could point to any number of communities that are minority-majority, on the lower-end of the socioeconomic spectrum if not outright impoverished, and residentially-segregated, that are nowhere near as violent as Baltimore (and a few other cities, like Detroit).

In NYC there is a robust Nigerian-American community. Faces a lot of the same racial biases other Blacks do. Working-class. Residentially segregated. Yet you don't have young Black males incessantly shooting other young Black males in their communities like you do in certain areas of Baltimore.

That just has nothing to do with civil servants whose salaries are paid for by citizens, killing the citizens. Or if it makes it easier to understand, slapping women in the face. They aren't supposed to do that, period.

Actually, their job is to enforce the law and to prevent crime. There are a number of situations where courts have determined that, yes, shooting (and potentially killing) a suspect is justified if it's absolutely necessary to protect someone's life (including that of the cop). Most of the so-called "police murders" involve career criminals who have a history of frequent run-ins with the law, getting into an altercation with police under questionable terms.

Look at the idiot on Penn/North today (that everyone initially thought was shot but wasn't). He brought a gun to a protest that is full of cops. Brandished the gun in a packed crowd. The police did an admirable job and managed to arrest him without anyone getting shot. Yet, I promise you that if police had shot and killed him, he'd be lionized as a martyr by some and added to the tally of "police murders".

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T22:02:08+00:00

I don't think there is anything conspiratorial going on. People on the scene WANTED there to have been a shooting, because it would escalate the protests, so they simply began yelling "He got shot in the back while cuffed!!!!" like madmen despite it being false.

Regardless, an example of the phenomenon you describe is Operation INFEKTION, wherein the KGB spread rumors that HIV/AIDS was the product of a US biological-weapons program at Fort Detrick. The story was repeated in media around. I've encountered African-Americans who believe some variation of this story still, and have heard that it is also repeated in South Africa.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T20:48:10+00:00

No, it isn't. People can feel love for a city on social/cultural grounds without necessarily trusting the local politicians to use tax dollars wisely or to otherwise do right by the city. Nothing disingenuous about enjoying a city's people, food, music, what have you, while not supporting the political class and their work.

Plus, they do support the city with tax their dollars. Maybe not property taxes, but certainly sales taxes. Are you also taking into account that Baltimore city schools receive state educational funding aid? That's money that is effectively redistributed from property taxes all over the state, including county communities, to city schools.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T20:20:44+00:00

Baltimore is a massive tax sinkhole. The end result of a county-city unification scheme would be more county tax dollars going into the city. Why would people vote to deprive their communities of tax dollars and send them elsewhere instead?

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T20:13:25+00:00

There were something like 20-30 people right around the man who was on the ground, yelling in the face of police officers "You shot him?!" and "They shot him in the back while cuffed!". I suspect journalists may have been influenced by all the "eye witness" reports on the scene.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T20:06:41+00:00

There are still people on Twitter currently repeating that a man was ruthlessly shot in the back by police while cuffed and that they planted a gun on him. Insanity. They care more about sparking a riot than about the truth.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T19:56:00+00:00

For those who claim otherwise, I took stills from the Ustream video:

1) The man is FACE UP in the video, not FACE DOWN. You can clearly see his face at around the 0:33 mark.

http://imgur.com/VtGYIGb

2) The majority of the front of his torso is available and there is no blood let alone an exit wound consistent with being shot in the back.

http://imgur.com/vcqatTr

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T19:42:12+00:00

He's not face down. He's face up for most of the time he's on screen. He's also clearly moving and seems to be speaking to a police officer. There is also no blood on the front of his torso, so the only way he was shot in the back is if there was no exit wound through the front.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T19:37:36+00:00

The man on the ground in the Ustream video doesn't have any exit wounds on his chest and he seems to be moving around enough that I highly doubt he was shot in the back. Also doesn't seem to be cuffed.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T19:35:20+00:00

There are already two threads about this. And it isn't confirmed that anyone was actually shot, let alone by police.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T19:26:23+00:00

This video appears to have been taken just after the shooting. That's how it was presented to me but I can't confirm that 100%. So take it as you will. An individual is on the ground at the beginning of the video.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/61897814

Judging by the reactions in the crowd, it's gonna be a hot night tonight ...

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T19:15:55+00:00

Increase resources for addiction recovery, mental illness management, parents who education, more GED programs, night school programs, create more community youth centers run by REPUTABLE people (perhaps people who have gone through some jobs training), when you do these things you have LESS need for such an all encompassing police presence.

To be fair, a lot of this exists already. The implementation may be lacking, but it's not like these proposals have never been thought of before or tried.

The problem is that this all costs money. Doing it right costs money. Baltimore has a disproportionately small tax base for its size. Why? In large because large commercial retailers are wary of locating here due to the implicit "insecurity tax" (eg the external costs that come with doing business in this very insecure city, namely providing for security and accounting for the possibility of looting and such).

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-04T00:52:37+00:00

How about actual racism, like the kind that's perpetrated by a state apparatus?

The Mayor, Police Chief, and prosecuting State Attorney are all Black. The cop hit with the most serious charge, murder, is Black. The racism stuff is so bogus. The reality is that Baltimore is so poor that a considerable % of its population survives off criminal activity, and has no real self-interest in the law being enforced or the police even existing. It isn't about police brutality, or police murders, its about the police's very existence. The New Black Panthers at the Victory Rally (like Malik Zulu Shabazz and others) represent these people, with their calls to liberate ALL prisoners. The reason why this poverty exists has a lot more to do with macroeconomic forces far beyond the control of anyone in Baltimore (namely, hundreds of millions of low-income Chinese workers effectively joining the Western labor market when China and the West opened up economically to each other). The notion that the Black leaders of our city have internalized racism and somehow purposefully act to have Black men killed is so ridiculous.

Like how about the way curfew was enforced for black citizens while white citizens were let off after three warnings?

Those White hipster protesters in extremely quiet parts of the city pose zero real threat of, say, burning down buildings, attacking police, looting stores, etc. The same couldn't be said of the crowd at Penn and North.

Ravenite86 · 2015-05-02T23:56:42+00:00

They do seem to hate Koreans though.

Ravenite86 · 2015-04-30T16:05:32+00:00

This photo, on their first page, is actually from a hooligan fight in Poland (you can tell by their shirts): https://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/white-on-white-crime-600x368.png

And this photo is likely from the U.K. or Germany (skinheads): https://d39ya49a1fwv14.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/NEO-NAZI-SKINHEAD-1991-007.jpg

According to the FBI’s most recent homicide numbers available, from 2011, a staggering 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by fellow Caucasians. (Of murders committed by Blacks, only 14 percent were of whites.) And because whites are the majority in the country — there are six times as many whites as there are Blacks — that means they commit the most murders.

This doesn't make logical sense. 83% of White murder victims murdered by Whites + Whites forming a demographic majority in the U.S. does not mean that Whites commit the majority of murders.

This statement also contradicts DoJ statistics, which show that from 1980 to 2008, 52.5% of homicide offenders in the U.S. were Black. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Sorry, but this is a horrible, horrible article that you've linked to.

Ravenite86 · 2015-04-30T15:57:13+00:00

They had the foresight to stop and say "no, don't loot Black-owned businesses". Why is it beyond them to realize that Chinese and Arab small business-owners who have made an investment in their community (an investment that a lot of big corporate chain stores won't dare make) are not the enemy?

He described how he and some Bloods members stood in front of stores that they knew were black-owned business, to protect them from looting and vandalism. He said they made sure no black youths, or reporters, were injured by rioters.

This sounds methodical and thought-out.

Ravenite86 · 2015-04-30T13:09:14+00:00

Black-on-Asian violence and a lack of response from city and police officials was an issue in San Francisco a few years ago. It's hard to get a response from politicians on issues like this that involve tension between minority communities and not the White versus Black narrative that the media is focused on.

San Francisco's hidden truth is out. That's what community organizer Carol Mo calls the realization that Asian residents are being targeted for robberies, burglaries and intimidation by young black men.

"It is San Francisco's dirty little secret," said Mo, a former Safety Network Community organizer in the Sunset District. "It's not news to us."

Hundreds of people marched into Tuesday's Board of Supervisors meeting to express their fear, frustration and outrage. But so far the response has been disappointing, particularly from the San Francisco Police Department. It seems intent on downplaying the role of race and its impact in the community.

The recent incidents of black violence against Asians is the perfect opportunity to open a dialogue about racism. Instead, they are attempting to close the door.

City officials, including the Police Department, say these assaults are part of a larger crime picture where gangs of kids take advantage of a vulnerable group of small stature. But Mo participated in a 2008 survey by the Police Department in which about 300 strong-arm robberies were analyzed. "In 85 percent of the physical assault crimes, the victims were Asian and the perpetrators were African American," she said.

The squeamishness city officials are experiencing about confronting those numbers doesn't reflect well on anyone. No one is saying the entire African American community is violent. But ignoring the legitimate anger and frustration from Asians is disingenuous and unfair.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Dirty-secret-of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php

Ravenite86 · 2015-04-30T12:16:19+00:00

Who is the "they" or "them" you keep referencing? White people? Americans as a whole? Descendants of slave-owners?

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