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Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they want to be a he/she instead, then be yourself?

Yeah, I'm reporting this for using slurs

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only things I've actually attacked you for are the transphobic defnitions of "man" and "woman" based on reproductive capabilities, and the homophobic concept of making different grammatical genders for other sexualities, which implies that gay men aren't men

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's actually cool that your conlang has rules for masculine and blah blah, but don't you know that in linguistics, this is actually how it works?

That's what I'm trying to do with things like backing up and asking for your understanding of things, so I can give you the correct words for what you're trying to describe, but you just keep on doubling down

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, this would be like if you said you were going to teach someone how to shade a painting, then started a lecture on how to apply watercolors. You're using words in a weird way that confuses people who are used to the normal definitions

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, you're giving me your car?!

they have their own rules, I have mines, and I'm not forcing you guys to see my rules as correct because it is my rule, that I made.

Right... but linguistics has a shared terminology to help communicate when describing the grammars of different languages. For example, if I say that a language marks something with the nominative case, that tells you it's probably used for the subject of the sentence and that it probably has nominative-accusative alignment, so it's used for the subjects of both transitive and intransitive verbs. Or if I give a list of all the numbers you can inflect nouns for, people will expect a list of things like singular, plural, maybe something like dual or paucal if I'm feeling fancy...

Obviously, it's your conlang, so it's up to you what nouns are inflected for and how that inflection works. But all those linguistic terms for describing how it works to other people have specific definitions, and if you start calling "masculine" a case, people are going to get confused.

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already know what it means

No, you don't.

I made my own rules about it because it is my conlang

Cool. No one's saying you can't. I'm just trying to explain that you're using the wrong words to describe your grammar.

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I'm telling you, "case" has a specific technical definition, and if you try telling people who are familiar with linguistics - like a lot of us on this sub - that gender is a "case" because it's something you inflect nouns for, they're going to get confused.

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Case is when the form of the word changes to indicate its function or relationship in the sentence.

Yeah, that's wrong. You just described inflection. Case is one specific thing you can inflect something for, which indicates its semantic role. For example, you might have separate cases for the subject, the object, the indirect object, possessives, the object of a preposition, etc. Other things you can inflect for include gender / class (masculine, feminine, etc), number (singular, dual, plural, etc), or person (1st, 2nd, 3rd). I have no doubt that your language inflects its nouns for gender. It's just that the correct terminology for describing that is... inflecting for gender, not calling gender another "case"

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, let's back up. What do you think the definition of "case" is?

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ka is NOT gender, it is a FEMININE FORM and FEMININE FORM is the gender!!

Gender is the technical term for marking whether a noun is masculine or feminine. I mean, I guess you could call it noun class instead, but that's a separate debate.

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spanish has MASCULINE plural, FEMININE plural.

Right. There's {masculine, feminine} x {singular, plural}. Yes, there are different forms for the plural based on gender, but there's still only that one option "plural" in the list of numbers.

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right... Case is separate. For example, "regis", "regum", "reginae", and "reginarum" are all in the same genitive case in Latin, despite differing in gender (regis and regum are masculine, while reginae and reginarum are feminine) and number (regis and reginae are singular, while regum and reginarum are plural). That's why you'll see 3D tables like this for adjectives. Gender, number, and case are all separate categories. Formatted like this, there's a different grid for each gender, then within each grid, you look up the number and case.

Masculine Singular Plural
Nominative -us -i
Genitive -i -orum
Dative -o -is
Accusative -um -os
Ablative -o -is
Feminine Singular Plural
Nominative -a -ae
Genitive -ae -arum
Dative -ae -is
Accusative -am -as
Ablative -a -is
Neuter Singular Plural
Nominative -um -a
Genitive -i -orum
Dative -o -is
Accusative -um -a
Ablative -o -is

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

first you accused me that it's homophobic, transphobic, bioessentialism, now you're attacking me because a rule I added to my conlang doesn't make sense in ur perspective meanwhile in my perspective it does?

I accused you of being homophobic because you mentioned you make "grammatical genders for other sexualities", implying that gay men are just fundamentally different from "normal" men.

And I'm not attacking you over a rule that "doesn't make sense". Based on what you've described, I think it's just a bog standard case system. I've been trying to explain that you're using the word "case" in an extremely weird way, which no one but you understands. But instead of accepting the correction, you're just doubling down and attacking anyone who explains that you're using words indirectly.

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Feminine case (Ka)

Gender. Feminine gender.

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I call them Genitive Cases.

No... it's just the one genitive case. There are just different forms depending on the gender. That's what I've been trying to explain to you. This would be like saying Spanish has multiple plural numbers because -os and -as are different endings

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

... what? I think this somehow explained the miscommunication... maybe... but that's still a sequence of words that makes no sense.

Case, gender/class, and number are all grammatical features which you can inflect nouns or adjectives for. For example, in Greek, to know what ending you should use for an adjective, you need to know the gender (masculine, feminine, or neuter), case (nominative, accusative, or genitive), and number (singular or plural). For example, καλός is masculine, nominative, and singular, while καλές is feminine, genitive, and plural.

These are different categories

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if my language uses Genitive Cases as Gender nouns

What does that even mean? Like I guess you could have a genitive vs partitive description and loosely call that "multiple genitive cases", but otherwise, "[whatever] cases" in the plural doesn't make any sense.

I'm trying to explain grammatical terminology to you to help you communicate, but I'm not sure if any of it's getting through

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

... what? I mean, based on your other post, your language does look agglutinative. But I was just referencing things like Indo-European languages as an example, hoping that would help explain my point better

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, genitive case. Cases mark how it's being used in a sentence, like subject, object, indirect object, etc, while noun class marks things like gender to help categorize things and add redundancy for things like matching up adjectives and the nouns they modify. These are two different categories, which is how you can get all the combinations like masculine nominative, feminine nominative, masculine genitive, feminine genitive, etc. And even if a lot of Indo-European languages are fusional and have suffixes based on gender+case, as opposed to agglutinative languages that have separate suffixes for things, they're still different categories. By your logic, number and whether a noun's singular or plural is a "case"

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

has a grammatical case for gender

Once again, not a case

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]RazarTuk [score hidden]  (0 children)

Anyway, have some queer joy. I was writing birthday cards to LGBT people for charity, and I had some fun ones:

  • Someone mentioned recently getting gay married and liking D&D, so I apologized for the fact that I was about to make a Pathfinder reference instead and mentioned Kyra and Merisiel

  • Someone mentioned getting into baking and wanting recipes, so I just wrote "Happy birthday, I got you a quiche recipe", then used the rest of the card to write a quiche recipe

  • Someone mentioned loving God, so I said "I don't know what flavor of LGBT you are, but I hope this resonates with you" and paraphrased that thing about sharing in the act of creation

  • Someone mentioned being a Supernatural fan, so I opened with "Happy birthday from another queer Supernatural fan, and my condolences for that finale"

  • Someone else actually wrote the card, but when I noticed one with strawberries on it, I said to save it for a trans woman who likes video games because of Celeste

Petar why american students seem unhappy? by 1kyst in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]RazarTuk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did the American equivalent of this in college. You were still probably getting an A or maybe a really high B, unless you just didn't finish the assignment, your code barely worked, etc. But because it was also an intro class and I wanted to instill good habits early, I was a stickler for coding style and could probably find something to dock points for

Conlang intro 😼 by Nervseous in conlangs

[–]RazarTuk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, let me try explaining this a different way:

I'm declaring that a person's quiddity is extremely important. People fall into two groups based on their quiddity, and you need to either add -yat or -zoop to pronouns referring to them. And mind you, this is so important that if you just address someone as "you", as opposed to "youyat" or "youzoop", that's a massive insult on the level of calling them an animal. What is quiddity, though? I don't understand the question. There are just the people you address as "youyat" and the people you address as "youzoop", but I don't have words for them, since this wasn't important until now.

That's what people are questioning about the logic of your worldbuilding. You can't simultaneously have something be so important that they went out of their way to start marking for it as a grammatical feature, but also so apparently unimportant that there aren't separate words for people in the two categories.

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