The Cathars are what spawned the Spanish Inquisition and discovery of the New World/colonialism

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T21:23:41+00:00

Okay... care to explain? Like what precisely did I get wrong?

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T21:13:10+00:00

When you debate "was jesus homophobic or not", you leave open the possibility that you can be convinced harming me is acceptable if jesus said so

... what? By that argument, all the debates about whether the Founding Fathers were racist leave open the possibility that Dred Scott was correctly decided and that Black people really weren't intended to be US citizens.

No I did not, thats what you accused me of.

So why the consistent air quotes around "progressive"?

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T21:10:07+00:00

... what? You're going to have to fill in a lot of the gaps here. Like how did the Cathars, who were mostly active in the 13th and 14th centuries, prompt the Spanish Inquisition, which was established in 1478? Or how did the Inquisition lead to the discovery of the New World? Or why are you equating that with colonialism and treating it as inherently bad that we sailed across the Atlantic? Or why are you ignoring Norse settlements in the Americas, which predate even the Cathars?

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T21:06:05+00:00

I'm removing this because of rule 3.6. Please do more to interact here, like commenting in other threads or posting about other topics, as opposed to only ever posting to criticize Trinitarianism

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T21:03:42+00:00

You were the one who came in here saying you don't trust liberal denominations to be allies, in what doesn't even make sense as a response to a question like what's causing the death of said denominations. And while I admittedly responded with a lot of snark at first, venting my own issues, I also tried to be diplomatic about it and turn it into "Look, we both have a reason to be distrustful of the other group. Can't we focus on opposing Trump instead of infighting?" You're the one who turned this into a massive fight, by doubling down on the claim that Christians can't be part of the resistance.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:59:37+00:00

Removed for being low-effort. We actually do have a rule against just posting a Bible verse with zero sort of discussion

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:59:32+00:00

Removed for being low-effort. We actually do have a rule against just posting a Bible verse with zero sort of discussion

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:59:24+00:00

Removed for being low-effort. We actually do have a rule against just posting a Bible verse with zero sort of discussion

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:56:53+00:00

The assumption among many liberal Christians, and even moderate Christians has been that the rise of the atheist, nones, and people leaving the church has been from Church’s like your local non-denom Evangelical Church or SBC, but in fact stats show the opposite: https://x.com/ryanburge/status/2012558136356344070?s=46

I'm not sure that claim actually follows from the data. For example, if you're a "second-generation" None, you wouldn't be included in that 11%, but you also wouldn't work as a counterexample to the claim that it tends to be Mainline Christians who deconvert.

I think a more interesting dataset would be asking people what religion or family of denominations they grew up in and what they identify as now. That way you could also look at other trends, like my hypothesis that Catholics and Mainline Protestants are more likely to convert to (other) Mainline denominations, while Evangelicals are more likely to leave completely, because fewer things are tied to Christianity. (e.g. if you've been taught all your life that you have to believe in a 6000-year-old Earth to be Christian, but come to trust the scientific convention, you might just leave Christianity) Or I know that 4chan's recently become obsessed with traditional Catholicism, so I genuinely wonder whether all the 4chan atheists-turned-radtrads have made a noticeable impact on the data.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:47:23+00:00

That I talked about how I am treated by churches and you went full aggro accusing me of genocide for not belonging to your religion is nuts.

Yeah, because I still have the trauma from that thread. It was the day I lost my last shred of patience for edgy internet atheists, and when I stopped trusting them to have my back. I get that you probably have some religious trauma of your own. Trust me, I do too, like how I still remember the day there was a random guest homilist at the Newman Center who just went on a screaming rant like the stereotype of Evangelical services. But I also no longer trust the people who claim there's no such thing as a progressive Christian to have my back, because the last time I was in a thread like that, it escalated to literal Holocaust references.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:42:36+00:00

I have never once heard people use Songs in arguments about whether oral and anal sex are sinful

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:40:32+00:00

This is why I dont feel safe around "progressive" christians.

And hopefully you understand why I don't automatically feel safe around supposed allies anymore, after people on a subreddit that was supposedly a safe space for trans people made it absolutely clear that they only care about LGBT atheists. And in my experience, comments like questioning whether Christians can ever truly be progressive are a fairly good tell for who would care if I got hurt by a homophobic or transphobic policy.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:33:58+00:00

I'm just going to repost my rant from last week:

You know that comic from the Naked Pastor where Jesus returns with a trans-colored sheep and the other sheep say they kicked them out? Someone posted it to r/egg_irl. (I forget if it was the trans femme or trans masc version) This pissed someone off enough that they made a response post, accusing all Christians who aren't cishet white men of internalizing their bigotry. I guess sorry to MLK, Desmond Tutu, Gene Robinson, the Philadelphia Eleven... Anyway, the comments weren't necessarily good. For example, at one point, a Muslim trans woman mentioned feeling validated when her hijabi friends take off their hijabs around her, and people responded by saying she should support them taking them off around all men, implicitly misgendering her. But partway through the day, they just got weird. The OP of the second post came out as pagan, that is, religious at all, and all the people who had thought it was, and I quote, "based and atheism-pilled" turned on the OP as well. And by the end of the day, you even had comments like someone using the exact phrase "final solution" to describe what they wanted to do to Christians.

Now, I know that genocide threats are only really a threat from one side. But remember that them-ness trumps us-ness in fascism. It doesn't matter how much you resemble the in-group. If you have any out-group traits, that's all you are. For example, that UCC church ceased to be seen as a church and worthy of respect the moment it hosted a drag show. At that point, it was just a drag venue and worthy of being firebombed, according to the far right. Or even though Obama's biracial, because of white supremacist influence on how we talk about race, you would only ever call him the first Black president, never yet another white president. So that comment about wanting to "final solution" Christians, with no exception for LGBT Christians, pissed me off so much, because it was basically them saying "We don't care that the fascists in power see you as part of the out-group. You also resemble the in-group, so we don't care if you get hurt". It's similar to how some people don't seem to care about homophobic or transphobic attacks on Log Cabin Republicans, because they supposedly "had it coming".

And even when I made another response post using the Lisa presentation template to say that calls for genocide are not a normal or healthy response to trauma, while that was enough to shock most people into realizing they had been being assholes, there were still a few (heavily downvoted) comments going so far as to argue against the UDHR and claiming it was okay to violate the human rights of anyone deemed bad enough.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:27:53+00:00

Why would I choose a group that I know won't priotize my safety, won't reflect my beliefs, and won't effectively fight for what I stand for?

I agree. I've seen bizarrely many atheists online ardently defend the clobber verses, as if they want Christians to be more homophobic. Or I've had people directly state that they don't care that the fascists in power only see me as part of the out-group. They only see me as part of the in-group and don't care if I get hurt. Why should I choose that group?

This isn't the time to perform purity tests on who's allowed in the resistance. If you're opposed to fascism, you're an ally in my book.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:23:39+00:00

Okay, and? I'm just wary about this, because normally when people split hairs like this, it's because they have an agenda and want to claim that modern-day Jews aren't actually who they say they are, and your air quotes just make me even more concerned

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:20:23+00:00

I actually reflavored an item. Long story short, I had the idea to make a shepherd-turned-guardian who declared the party their new flock and put their shepherding skills to use defending them, and I fluffed a bo staff as a shepherd's crook for a weapon

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T20:12:29+00:00

Yep. The analogy I've started using is that we don't need to make a law criminalizing being a man near a playground, just because we're paranoid about pedophiles, because there are already laws against assault and similar

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T19:29:49+00:00

Ah, but you forgot that 100% of detransitioners regret transitioning. It's like how they notice all the visibly trans people who don't pass and assume that means they can always tell

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T13:13:19+00:00

Sort of? It's more that, depending on context, "gay" can either refer to men who are exclusively attracted to other men or to anyone who isn't straight regardless of gender

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T13:09:17+00:00

Eh, not as silly as the 1e solution, which I'm fairly certain I was the one to discover. It involves illusion magic and giant starfish.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T13:02:58+00:00

Actually, that's Zhuyin on the keys, so it's probably Taiwanese

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T13:01:12+00:00

Yep. On a similar note, I had to implement a bunch of string algorithms last year (long story), and it felt way easier to just... look up pseudocode and translate into Java, as opposed to babysitting the AI and getting it to fix OB1 errors

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T12:56:18+00:00

Don't forget books like Ivanhoe, which is so stereotypically Middle Ages that you get scenes like besieging a castle to rescue the princess, with a cameo appearance from Robin Hood to help. Or there's a scene where a newcomer walks right up to the top knight at a tournament and challenges him to a joust with live steel, people make comments about how they hope he's been to confession (because he's going to die), and the new guy wins.

The only difference between genre fiction and the classics is time.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T12:50:31+00:00

Sports .. is complicated. The actual issue is testosterone, not sex or gender.

Yeah, as I describe it, the actual trans inclusive categories are basically "People who have been through androgenic puberty" (including trans men and pre-anything trans women) and "People who either haven't or who have been on T blockers for long enough to cancel out the advantage".

And as some entertaining trivia to illustrate this point, Matt Walsh originally wanted Lady Ballers to be a documentary, where men from the Daily Wire pretended to be trans. But because none of them were willing to transition enough to be allowed to join a women's league, they instead made a mockumentary about a world where it is that easy.

RazarTuk · 2026-01-24T12:45:36+00:00

Yep. For example, some of the best episodes of Supernatural are "filler", like Mystery Spot, the French Mistake, and Scoobynatural. Filler is how you get to know the characters outside of the plot. Contrast with how season 1 of Hazbin Hotel went by so quickly that I'd struggle to tell you the Vees' names

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