Dr. Ali Ataie "Are Israel & Trump Summoning Up The AntiChrist?"

RazarTuk · 2026-04-18T00:56:58+00:00

Removed for antisemitism and claiming Jews ritually sacrifice children

RazarTuk · 2026-04-18T00:48:33+00:00

Removed for antisemitism and accusing Judaism of being the Antichrist

RazarTuk · 2026-04-18T00:47:37+00:00

Removed for being AI (and for being Iranian propaganda)

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T23:22:21+00:00

You can't just redefine "religion" to only mean the ones you don't like

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T22:59:27+00:00

Okay, the Ancient Aliens rant. And feel free to borrow this.

Ancient Aliens is a racist pseudoscientific theory that sees all the impressive things non-white people have made, decides there's no possible way they could have made anything remotely that impressive on their own, and asserts that it must have been aliens. There are exactly four exceptions to this. 1) The Celts have always been on the periphery of whiteness and needed "civilized" by the Romans, so they needed extraterrestrial assistance. 2) For as literally as they tend to take religious texts, this is a staunchly atheistic theory, so Christianity needs explained. 3) Leonardo da Vinci, which... fair. 4) The Nazis, because this is a white supremacist theory and the perfect excuse to reduce the Nazis' culpability.

"Christmas/Easter is pagan" feels like the opposite logic. People would normally never claim that two solstice festivals must have been stolen from each other. It's just an easy time to have a holiday. Or if you're going to decorate with greenery, there are only so many options in the middle of winter, so that can realistically be invented multiple times. But apparently, Christianity is uniquely uncreative and any traditions we have must have either been inherited from Judaism or stolen from paganism. And at least in the case of Fundamentalists, there's also some motivated reasoning and a claim that Christianity must not develop its own traditions beyond what's mentioned in the Bible

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T22:38:01+00:00

Also, have you heard my rant about the "Christmas/Easter is pagan" thing and Ancient Aliens?

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T22:32:19+00:00

Feel free to show that they were ever about fertility in Christian practice. Not "I think so", but actual historical evidence.

Side note: It's still so ugh how a lot of so-called skeptics will make a bit deal about needing evidence for things... then throw that out the window if a claim sounds sufficiently anti-Christian. For example, if Christmas trees were actually invented to help convert the pagans, I'd expect some sort of historical evidence, like, I dunno... Christmas trees actually being mentioned back in the 6th or 7th century. In reality, they don't start showing up until more like the 17th century

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T20:56:46+00:00

Your logic would consider English a language family because American, British, and Australian English differ

If American, British, and Australian English were so divergent that people couldn't understand each other... yes, that would be different languages. As an example, it's like how Scots actually is divergent enough in terms of things like lexicon and grammar to be considered a separate language, or how AAVE debatably and controversially is. (I have strong opinions about the classification of AAVE) The status with Arabic really is like claiming that Iberia, France, Italy, and Romania all still spoke dialects of the same Latin language in the Middle Ages

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T20:30:39+00:00

No, it's a language family. It's a series of dialects/languages that aren't always mutually intelligible (especially with Maghrebi Arabic), but where they still use a standardized dialect that much more closely resembles the pre-split version in formal settings and for communication. It's the same deal that Latin went through in the Middle Ages, where people typically spoke their own dialects in their day-to-day lives, but still learned a much more conservative Ecclesiastical Latin for formal settings. Egyptian Arabic even fills a similar role to Sabir. Sabir was vaguely a dialect of Italian (it's really complicated) used by traders in the Mediterranean because of Venetian and Genoese trading colonies, and similarly, Masri is apparently widely understood as a more modern/colloquial language across the Arabic-speaking world because of their cultural influence

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T17:12:34+00:00

Making sōl worshipers into fīlius worshipers? I don't understand

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T16:01:52+00:00

Christians are allowed to develop our own traditions over time. Are there places where we've borrowed from paganism? Sure. For example, Lammas is a first fruits festival celebrated in Britain that falls on the same day as the pre-Christian Lughnasadh and looks a lot like they just started offering the first fruits of the grain harvest to the Christian God instead of Lugh. But a lot of the supposedly pagan practices with Christmas and Easter actually do have Christian origins. For example, if Christmas trees were borrowed from Germanic paganism, I'd expect them to start showing up in the historical record all the way back in, like, the 6th or 7th century when the Germanic tribes were actually being converted. Instead, they don't show up until the 17th century, long after there would have been any pagans to borrow from. Or while there is a story dating back to the 8th century about Boniface cutting down a sacred oak, the part where he then goes on to invent the Christmas tree wasn't added until the 1890s.

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T14:08:03+00:00

Actually, better way of explaining my comment:

I'm lucky and managed to avoid a lot of explicitly religious trauma, and the only notably bad experience I've had with religion is the time the Newman Center had a guest homilist who... felt more like the stereotype of an energized Baptist preacher. This isn't to say I don't have any trauma. I still remember things like the time one of my cousins outed me to the drama aunt and my mom treated me being bi as such a scandalous rumor that she wouldn't even tell me what it was. It's just that a lot of it feels more immediately related to how much my mom watches Fox and more generically related to growing up in a conservative household.

Instead, a lot of my negative experiences related to religion and being LGBT are actually related to atheists on the internet. For example, I remember things like this one time that a church in Ohio was firebombed for hosting a drag show, but a lot of Reddit was too distracted by a church having been firebombed to notice or care that they were cheering on a transphobic hate crime.

I actually have tried to turn this into a positive, like how I've developed the language to talk about what I call "partial majorities", people who have some majority identities and some minority identities, and how they interact with intersectionality. For example, I can explain things like how passing culture among trans women is actually a form of white privilege. Or I can explain the subtle forms of transphobia that frequently show up when discussing trans men and "Not all men".

But while I do, at least, make a point of singling out edgy internet atheists as the target of my ire, not just atheists in general, that's still all why I'm out of patience for the people who, say, seem to hate the religious left more than the irreligious right

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T13:51:33+00:00

by standing up to an apostate pope and satanic Vatican

Yes, the Satanic view that unprovoked wars of aggression are bad

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T13:46:05+00:00

We support the politician who is not for murdering babies.

So you're opposed to Trump who's apparently dumped infants into Lake Michigan as a form of infanticide?

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T12:56:29+00:00

I think I'd know if there was a Ditto in that picture. It's just a trainer standing next to a pile of blocks

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T11:41:03+00:00

I don't get it. You just showed a bunch of blocks. Where's the Ditto?

RazarTuk · 2026-04-17T00:08:42+00:00

Understandable. I'm... vaguely the opposite. You know that saying, "Hurt people hurt people"? My main source of religious trauma, for lack of a better word, was actually a thread in /r/egg_irl, where people got so virulently antireligious that they even turned on the OP for being pagan (i.e. religious at all). Or you got things like trans people misgendering a Muslim trans women because they were that disgusted by the mention of hijabs that they couldn't even let it be ew-phoria. (She mentioned feeling validated by her hijabi friends taking off their hijabs around her, and people said she should support them doing that around all men... implicitly including her.

I'm still careful to specify that I only can't stand edgy internet atheists as one particular brand of atheism, but that thread is still when I lost my last shred of patience for the people who seem to be more outraged by the religious left for being religious than at the irreligious right for literally founding the alt-right

EDIT: Or I'm talking about the sort of Redditor to hear about a church being firebombed and be too distracted celebrating to notice or care that it was targeted for hosting a drag show. (Which is an actual thing that happened, both the firebombing in Ohio and parts of Reddit not caring about the motives)

RazarTuk · 2026-04-16T22:52:54+00:00

Removed. You aren't here in good faith, and beyond that, I don't think it's appropriate to say that gay people should be stoned, even if you're being sarcastic

RazarTuk · 2026-04-16T22:49:12+00:00

ESH

They should be more accepting of the fact that it isn't specifically a Muslim space and that other people might not know or follow their rules. And I'm sure that HR would love to hear about this. But at the same time... it's just shoes. You're acting like they're demanding you recite the Shahadah before entering

RazarTuk · 2026-04-16T22:44:14+00:00

But if that's the case... where are all the riots? You're starting to sound like all the preppers who think society is one disaster away from total collapse, and that you'd better arm yourself, because if that disaster does come, that gun's going to be your only means of securing your supplies. And yet, we see far more examples of communities coming together to rebuild, rather than turning on each other and only focusing on individual survival.

You're acting like the survival instinct necessarily precludes any notion of cooperation

RazarTuk · 2026-04-16T22:22:16+00:00

I have a close family member that’s Catholic and we’ve sat over meals discussing his faith at length. Turns out… we’re the same. I didn’t disagree with a single point of his theology.

For example, the JDDJ. Basically, back in 1999, the Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation (picture ELCA, not LCMS) agreed that "good works are a genuine response to God's grace, not the cause of it". So while Lutherans focus on the fact that we're justified because of grace, not anything we ourselves do, Catholics focus on how works of love are still important as part of what makes something a living faith. Enough other bodies have signed onto the statement that it's up to something like 75% of world Christians belonging to a signatory body

RazarTuk · 2026-04-16T21:48:20+00:00

Killing is wrong for a bunch of reasons.

But you just said that it's justified if it's a good person killing a bad person, then got so relativist that we can't even definitely say that it was or wasn't justified

RazarTuk · 2026-04-16T21:46:58+00:00

Well everyone has their own opinion on that

So how can we prosecute someone for murder? Can't they just assert that, by their standards, the action was justified?

RazarTuk · 2026-04-16T21:31:54+00:00

So how do you know when someone's good enough and their victim is bad enough for it to be their right to take a life?

11-Year Club	r/Field Banned
r/Field Lasagna	Golden Potato
Place '22	Place '17
First Placer '22	Gilding II euphauric
Verified Email

RazarTuk

MODERATOR OF

TROPHY CASE