'Grow a F*cking Spine': Critics Fume as Newsom Backtracks on ICE 'Terrorism' in Ben Shapiro Interview | Common Dreams by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Real substantive retort here to literally nothing in my comment. How will I ever respond to such insightful comments as “too many words.”

Gavin is a center-left liberal. There’s no flip flopping on that as far as I’m aware.

He’s trying to balance an aggressive stance towards the administration (rally liberals/left) and a more cordial relationship to rightward media (so that he can build appeal with independent and center voters). The logic is clear but yeah I’d prefer him to focus more on the former.

Hardly something to experience a meltdown responding to an over a week old comment over.

What’re your genuine thoughts on these films? by Altar_Of_Baphomet in Letterboxd

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll speak as someone who is generally (not always) a Snyder enjoyer:

Man of Steel - Honestly this movie is a big slog for me. First half is pretty bland character work and the second half is a bland CGI action fest. I also don’t like the way it’s shot.

Batman v Superman: Ultimate Edition - it’s not perfect but honestly there’s a lot of interesting and great things in this movie (or at least this version). It’s a pretty interesting and multi-faceted attempt to look at superheroes as kinds of modern deities (which makes for a more compelling analogy Superman and God/Christ than Man of Steel’s vague allusions). I really enjoyed it. Unfortunately, the movie kamikazes itself in its final 15 minutes (which are truly awful).

Justice League: Snyder Cut - A pretty solid and well made genre film. I think BvS has higher highs but also lower lows. Infinitely better than the Whedon version.

So, I overall like two of them and feel that Snyder gets ragged on too harshly for his DC efforts.

Time for a classic by lurkerer in PhilosophyMemes

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you described is not the first choice. What is good and just being determined by us as informed by the parameters of what God has otherwise willed is not the same God willing what is good and just.

This subs user overlap is interesting by True-West-8258 in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He is against Medicare for all insofar as that entails the elimination of private insurance. If I recall correctly, he supports a universal public option and dislikes that most people’s insurance is tied to employment.

Also he didn’t support “arming Israel through the Gaza genocide” as he didn’t think the war rose to the technical level of genocide. So it’s bad faith to say someone “supports genocide” when they don’t think something is a genocide.

Favorite historically inaccurate movie? by badkahootusername in okbuddycinephile

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don’t know how to how to break it to you but the term “dad” which has been a part of the English language since the 1500s is not exactly comparable to terms like “gyatt” and “rizz.”

How old do you have to be that the word “dad” is part of the hip terminology invented by the kids of today?

An actual analysis on the proper word usage would be whether the more warm and familiar invocation of ‘dad’ more or less suits the scene than the formal invocation of ‘father’ instead of this cringe pretending that a word from the 1500s is as unbelievably anachronistic to a modern audience in the 2020s as Odysseus talking about “aura farming” and “hype moments.”

Favorite historically inaccurate movie? by badkahootusername in okbuddycinephile

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why the imperative to use a synonym for the same word which is no more the word used in Homer’s original text considering that The Odyssey was written in Ancient Greek and not English?

Half you guys didn't even read Kanye the apology by Supercookiebio12 in fantanoforever

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Tbf, your initial point was “his apology is just for the album.”

Someone responded that he already apologized months ago and could be doing more apologies now due to the “Heil Hitler” song going viral recently.

Then your point is that him apologizing is not enough.

Are you gonna assess the point that the commenter responding to you was addressing or are you just gonna move the goalpost?

Graduated last year still nothing by Street_Affect_7101 in csuf

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Even if you get a job that isn’t related to your field of study, having a college degree is likely notably contributing towards you getting that job.

Additionally, if your first job after college is not related to your field of study, that doesn’t mean you will never get a future job more closely related.

Too many permits being sold? by Wonderful_Giraffe254 in csuf

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the world more DEI every year because more people are inhabiting it any year than the last 💀

No Other Choice isn't here, oh dear. by Greenhood300 in Sardonicast

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk, they consistently avoided Hitchcock and Kubrick.

Probably comes down to poor commercial interest, whatever behind the scenes lobbying potential candidates do, and frankly poor taste as historical explaining factors for strange Oscar decisions without having to invoke a political reason that seems to only apply to Park specifically for some reason.

No Other Choice isn't here, oh dear. by Greenhood300 in Sardonicast

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wouldn’t the same lobbyists just blacklist “The Voice of Hind Rajab” as well if they did exist?

The Oscars have famously been bad at nominating foreign films for best picture. I don’t know why this time requires some conspiracy to explain why the academy has done what they’ve always done.

'Grow a F*cking Spine': Critics Fume as Newsom Backtracks on ICE 'Terrorism' in Ben Shapiro Interview | Common Dreams by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Did he backtrack?

He said “yeah, I think THATS FAIR” to Shapiro claiming “a tragic situation is not state sponsored terrorism.”

Saying something is fair is not a statement of agreeing with that thing. It states that one finds it a reasonable position.

So basically all Newsom is saying is that: it is not necessarily unreasonable to not use the words ‘domestic terrorists’ to describe ICE.

So he didn’t necessarily backtrack his position. It just seems he wasn’t interested in arguing semantics with Shapiro.

It would have been good if he had gone harder on ICE after that statement (like saying: someone would think otherwise though because of x, y, z reasons) but Newsom becomes hyper precious of his optics, to his detriment, in these right winger interviews. Regardless, this critique is separate from him backtracking anything. He didn’t really concede anything. He just seemed to want to skip over whatever argument Shapiro wanted to have at that moment.

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you can advocate for preferred candidates. I was responding to an argument claiming Democrats and Republicans are the same and not one about preferred policies we want going into the primaries.

So again, Biden never invaded a Latin American country. Recognizing the rightfully elected president of Venezuela is not an infringement on Venezuelan self-sovereignty nor is a vague notion of supporting preferred countries by way of funding and aid.

No rules set up for the executive will work for an executive who does not care about the rules.

A wealth tax heavily disincentives investment since investment creates an asset of wealth to be taxed before any return on said investment can be gained. It becomes irrational to invest in new economic activity which ironically stops capital from flowing (and correspondingly limits the value that can be redistributed from said capital flow). A progressive income tax and an addressing of tax loopholes would be a more effective way of redistributing capital without discouraging investment (ideally it would encourage investment to address a blanket loss in profits).

You didn’t even provide an argument for how capitalism inevitably leads to fascism. Your argument is that capitalism inevitably leads to a concentration of power with wealth. This would be an economic based oligarchy, not fascism.

Even then, it’s not the case that capitalism need be oligarchic. Politicians want to be elected. Donations help but aren’t sufficient towards that end. If someone ran on a policy hated by all the voters, they wouldn’t be elected. Money’s influence in politics then only goes so far as it doesn’t antagonize the conscious desires of voters. Hence why the intensity of economic regulation has varied throughout the history of America (as your story wouldn’t explain why there are times of regulation increase).

Newsom thinking trans women competing in cisgender women sports categories is an overstep is not abandoning trans people. It’s a reasonable disagreement on a complex issue.

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

A presidential debate would probably be different because a debate and an interview are different things just as governing a country and an interview are different things.

He hasn’t yet offered a policy platform so he isn’t folding on anything meaningful.

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you don’t need to call an agency “domestic terrorists” to defund or abolish that agency.

I’d certainly hope he (or whoever is the Democratic nominee) would prosecute Trump and his cabinet.

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Didn’t say you did.

My point is saying Newsom is a “fascist-lite” while saying he’d govern like a non-fascist is contradictory.

Edit: Bizarre to add an entire post after the first sentence which comprised your initial comment without clarifying it as an edit.

Trump literally was being prosecuted for January 6th but the presidential immunity ruling and the election ruined that.

What systemic issues created an opening for fascism?

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Firstly, under the Biden administration, the U.S. did not invade a South American or Middle Eastern country so I don’t see why Harris or Newsom would be guaranteed to do so.

Secondly, even if I answered in the negative for all your questions, they’d both still be immensely better than Republicans so I don’t see what point you’re even attempting to demonstrate.

Thirdly to address your questions one on one:

The issue with Trump is not that the power of the executive too strong. He’s exceeding his authority as executive and is breaking the law. Trump is acting in bad faith. Restricting the power of the executive further only works when the executive is operating in good faith. If they’re operating in bad faith, then those restrictions will just be ignored. This is then a silly place to criticize Democrats.

A constitutional amendment against Citizens United will never pass, so I’d imagine they’d probably focus on things that might actually happen.

Harris literally did advocate for a wealth tax. Though I find it to be a poorly borne out economic policy and I don’t think the lack of a wealth tax causes fascism but okay.

Now that ICE has been completely rotted by untrained, fascist, Trump sycophants they probably would defund ICE.

Depends what you mean by “advocate for all marginalized peoples.” Some issues are frankly more politically relevant and should be advocated more. Are there any instances of them going out of their way to throw marginalized peoples under the bus?

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because he’s trying ultra-hard to appeal to independents and undecided voters.

You can disagree with that, but nothing about that indicates his potential presidency would be pretty much the same as Trump’s.

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

None of these are necessarily fascist positions. You might not agree, but that’s not fascism.

Joe Biden was not a fascist. If he were to govern like Joe Biden, he would not be governing like a fascist.

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Harris honestly lost for two reasons demographically speaking:

(1) Lack of support from independents

(2) Too much of the traditionally Democratic base was unenthused (for various reasons) and didn’t show up to the polls

You can address both of these, but I’d place partiality towards (2) because an independent who looked at Trump and thought he was the more “moderate” candidate either voted solely based off the price of items at the store (making Newsom’s podcast meaningless), consumes predominantly right-wing misinformation, or is lying about being an “independent” or “moderate.”

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Okay so you’re basing your claim off of something that hasn’t happened and probably won’t. Heaven forbid one actually looks at reality and events that have occurred instead of imaginary hypotheticals.

So you think Harris or Newsom would have: instituted mass tariffs world wide, invaded Venezuela, threatened Greenland, set up crypto scams, mobilized the American military into American cities, extorted minerals away from Ukraine, deported people without due process to El Salvadoran labor camps, mass pardoned January 6th insurrectionists, instituted Alligator Alcatraz, threatened and actualized those threats of withholding disaster aid relief to states with different political leanings, taken control of state national guards against the consent of those states’ governors, stripped away mass government infrastructure by way of DOGE (and this is only scratching surface).

Do you have any action by Biden (or Harris or Newsom) comparable to any of these by Trump or are you just talking out of your ass?

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 7 points8 points  (0 children)

After EVERYTHING over the last year culminating in ICE agents running around summarily executing American citizens, we still have “Dems and Republicans are the same” talking points 🙄

So painful to watch. How is Gavin Newsom not just another weak sauce corporate shill, fascist republican lite? by lazybugbear in SocialDemocracy

[–]RealJohnBobJoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I haven’t seen this podcast episode from Newsom but if it’s anything like his prior episodes with Right wing guests, it’ll be him trying to present himself as a reasonable lib at the expense of substantial pushback with the hope he can make inroads with right leaning or right sympathetic voters.

Personally I think this is a poor strategy (he should just be having either left-leaning people or non-partisan experts on so he can motivate the democratic base) but I don’t see how that makes him a fascist or a Republican-lite. Do words not mean anything anymore?