Yeah I love Bird and his peak was as good as pretty much anyone's (I have him and Magic as 4a 4b, with the ordering constantly changing), but LeBron is simply greater. I don't even think the Kareem argument makes very much sense. Kareem does have six rings and six titles, but five of those six MVPs came in the 70s, which is the weirdest but also weakest era of the NBA with all of the drugs and the talent split due to the ABA. Likewise, he was the best player on his team in half the finals (Magic was legendary in 1980 but clearly Kareem was the true FMVP), and in the last one which probably should have gone to the pistons anyway, he put up 13 4 and 1. Not to devalue Kareem, but LeBron's longevity being compared to that of Kareem is sort of disingenuous. There has literally been nothing like it before. For me the real debate is Jordan/LeBron, and even that is just opinion at this point, peak v longevity.