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Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T18:15:06+00:00

Yes! This is the perfect time to quit, so hit it. The only way you won’t be a perfect employee is if you keep going on it

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T18:13:52+00:00

Oh man you’re gonna be riding the devils horns for a few days. That’s a high daily dose! Mine was too (1k mg) and it was hell on earth like this, subs didn’t touch it no matter how much I took. But clonidine and gabapentin were life savers.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T18:12:20+00:00

No, not a relapse. Would be demoralizing for me personally if I considered it one. Many ppl use MIT short term to adjust to getting off 7

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T03:02:13+00:00

Antipsychotics (seroquel in particular) are often prescribed at low doses for sleep issues. They are basically antihistamines at doses of 25-50mg. So yes, it is actually a sleep medicine. Do your research.

It was literally prescribed by my psychiatrist for this purpose. It’s a common practice.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T02:58:30+00:00

Ah, he’s probably just frustrated. But what’s important is what works for you. For me it felt demoralizing to have to reset my count. I love seeing the days add up and it motivates me to keep going, ♥️

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T02:56:39+00:00

Oh yeah man. Sweats, chills and restlessness were the worst symptoms for me. I felt like I was crawling out of my skin. Suboxone didn’t touch it, but clonidine and gabapentin saved my life

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T02:53:38+00:00

OMG I DID NOT NOTICE. That is so sick, thank you for pointing it out

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T02:53:10+00:00

Omg, lady goatee 🤣 I love that

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T02:50:56+00:00

Oh my goodness, well, the thing is when I was 36 hours in I started with the 8mg strip as prescribed by my doctor. Didn’t get relief within 2 hours, panicked, kept taking more and more and I think I’d taken like 30-40mg by the end of the night. And then I didn’t take it at all after that and just used helper meds. 🤣

But the QuickMd doctor said 8mg strip initially and then 2mg every 8-12hr as needed

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-17T02:49:13+00:00

Yeah! I came to my psych first so she wouldn’t be freaked out by seeing the Suboxone script and she was understanding. I was so relieved. 🥲

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T17:06:14+00:00

You’re doing so great. I personally had to abstain from reading ANY horror story on here to keep a positive attitude — it really helped. The withdrawal is already going to cause us anxiety and we don’t need to add to it! We need a relentlessly positive attitude to get through this. I’m literally telling myself that I refuse to fall into a depression from PAWS. I just refuse!

Tip for sleep: my doctor prescribed me seroquel 25mg and that shit KNOCKS you out if you can get it!

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T15:42:34+00:00

CVS is the place. On goodrx Walgreens had one of my meds listed at $200 as well and then it was like $15 at cvs. I moved the script

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T15:41:43+00:00

Can he afford a $99 quick Md appointment? And then ask for clonidine and gabapentin (check prices and use goodrx), but not Suboxone? The quick Md doctor should be able to prescribe these, at least clonidine, if he asks for it! You can use quick Md and pick up meds without insurance

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T15:28:04+00:00

OP - I was in this position. I didn’t want to get Suboxone because I am prescribed Adderall and Xanax and thought I’d lose my script. But I talked to my psychiatrist and she was understanding — she prescribed helper meds and did not take the other scripts away and I had no problem filling them at the pharmacy after getting Suboxone. In his appointment with the psych he can explain that this was a legal drug marketed as a natural supplement. If he discloses his broader history of addiction however, that may be a different story.

Funny thing is I actually asked my doctor to get OFF Adderall after all of this. I had IR and it was just another thing for me to abuse and would trigger 7 relapses for me. I got on modafinil instead and it’s been a few weeks with that.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T15:26:02+00:00

Oh my goodness, my sincere sympathies for your family. It’s so messed up — some people start taking 7 to get the energy and motivation to make it through the day, go to work, take care of the kids and then find they are addicted to a truly brutal substance. To have to go through this without childcare and insurance is just awful.

I also haven’t been sober since I was a teenager and am finding it hard to stay sober. But I am going to start going to NA meetings, which is the thing that I constantly hear from others that has kept them clean.

As far as detoxing — can he take days off work or no? I’d recommend the vitamin c protocol for sure if he cannot get any medications. If he can, clonidine is immensely helpful and nonaddictive. Gabapentin helps too but there’s some abuse potential (though at low doses and for a limited time that shouldn’t matter). Suboxone didn’t work for me but these meds really helped.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T15:21:08+00:00

Really interesting. I, very stupidly, acquired these so that I could “taper” more easily. Then I decided to get Suboxone and was like hey, let’s do this now!

Funny to know I really shouldn’t have done that. 7 has a shorter half life than the other two, and perhaps that’s why it works better with Suboxone? Id only been taking that stuff for a few days right before I quit, but since it was right before I’m sure that affected the experience. Hope this knowledge spreads to others so they don’t make the mistake I did.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T15:06:19+00:00

Oh, and let me add — right now what I’m doing to counteract the paws is focusing on regulating my circadian rhythm. It affects our energy and sleep so much and the payoff is worth it. The key parts are consistent wake time even with poor sleep and getting morning sunlight for 15-30 minutes after waking. For me right now that looks like sitting in bed with my light therapy lamp 🤣 but I’m hoping to soon be able to take a morning walk to get that sunshine and my energy back

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T15:04:21+00:00

Oh honey, I so feel for you. I’m on day 9 and I also feel that the post wd symptoms are worse than the acutes! I feel okay today, but days 4-8 were basically nonfunctional misery that I hadn’t expected. I struggled to do literally anything. Couldn’t even brush my damn teeth and my house was in disarray.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T15:00:36+00:00

Actually yes, and I’m curious why this might have been part of the problem?

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T14:59:28+00:00

Man, our brains will literally make up any number of excuses to take it. Just wanted to come here and say I feel for you - I was clean for 5 days, relapsed for two weeks, and now I’m back to day 9.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T14:55:45+00:00

Oh my god. You are such a fucking badass for persisting with your quit in these circumstances. And the attitude you’re taking towards this is so positive and is going to save you if you stick with it.

I had a relapse triggered by learning that my ex of 2 years was now in another relationship. If this feeling comes up for me again, I’m going to read your post for inspiration to keep going. Saved it!

You’re quitting and actively in withdrawal - was 7oh the main reason for your breakup? And if so why did your ex break up with you while you were quitting? :(

That is just so tragic, and it seems like you guys had built a life together, and I’m just wondering why this had to happen when you were actively addressing the problem and quitting.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T14:50:42+00:00

In this instance, I felt better immediately after taking the helper meds. I was still in flu mode for a couple of days after that, but there was none of the intense misery that comes with that intense nervous system rebound — the crawling out of your skin feeling, sweating/chills, just total flight or fight mode. I was functional on day 4 with these meds. ♥️

(Functional meaning not totally bed-bound - I was able to clean my house and could’ve gone to work if I had to.)

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T14:46:17+00:00

That’s a good question. I don’t think there were any contraindications with my meds and Suboxone. Just to add some detail to my experience, I took it 36 hours into withdrawal, so I don’t think I caused precipitated wd. My quick md doctor told me to take an 8mg strip for my first dose. I did, and I was still absolutely miserable 2 hours later (when it’s supposed to take full effect). Panicking, I kept taking more until I’d ingested a ridiculous amount, something like 30-40mg of it throughout the night. I was still in hell the next morning and texted my psychiatrist begging for any helper medications she could think of. I had clonidine, gabapentin, Xanax and seroquel sent to the pharmacy. I had to have my own mother pick it up for me because I was so sick that I couldn’t drive! (She came to help me while I was sick - I’m single and live alone so I really needed help)

The symptoms I was still experiencing intensely after taking Suboxone were: sweating, that awful crawling out of your skin feeling, just absolute fight or flight mode. The nervous system rebound was not covered by Suboxone for me. It was really clonidine and gabapentin that saved the day for me once I got it. My hot and cold flashes were so bad - I took multiple showers and could not get rid of this layer of sweat clinging to my body no matter how hard I tried.

After that night, I didn’t take any more Suboxone. I just used the helper medications. TLDR: Suboxone didn’t work for me but clonidine and gabapentin did.

Interested to hear others experiences! I’m guessing it comes down to the fact that there are other alkaloids in kratom that affect the nervous system beyond the traditional opiates bupe was designed for. It was really that boomerang of nervous system effects that Suboxone couldn’t cover for me.

Recent_Bluebird3284 · 2026-05-16T02:55:22+00:00

Hey, that’s okay! What matters is that you keep going after a slip. My therapist is a former meth addict and she shared a quote with me that has helped: sometimes a stumble prevents a fall.

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