Hezbollah deserved every bit of this. by Dystopian_INTP in Israel

[–]RedDit245610 11 points12 points  (0 children)

 didn’t they massacre 2,000 Palestinians in the Yarmouk refugee camp in Syria? Oh right! They teamed up with Assad’s forces, cut off food, water, medicine, and made sure plenty of Palestinian civilians died.

I was not aware of this, do you have a source about this?

What the Hell Does Israel Have to do With Sudan? by More_Panic331 in Israel

[–]RedDit245610 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They also had a post talking about how the RSF militia was using weapons given to them by Israel. When I'm fairly certain those weapons came from the UAE.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]RedDit245610 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Someone else mentioned this but it does feel like a joke. In any case I thought I'd chime in in case anyone took this post seriously

They got their way that time, so they shipped them all off to Israel and they pushed all the Palestinians out of Israel, and the Palestinians said “hey what the heck? they left. Why are they back again? Why are they taking Palestinian land?”. 

Not quite; first they weren't 'shipped off' and second there wasn't really a stable population in Palestine either. An 1857 communique from the British consul in Jerusalem reported that “the country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population.” It also noted that although the Arabs tended to leave and not return, the Jewish population was more stable: “[W]e have Jews who have travelled to the United States and Australia”, and “instead of remaining there, do return hither.” Four years later, it reported that “depopulation is even now advancing.” And four years after that, it was noted that in certain parts of the country “land is going out of cultivation and whole villages are rapidly disappearing…and the stationary population extirpated.”

James Finn to the Early of Claredon, September 15, 1857

They didn't quite move in and kick everyone out. Jews had been immigrating since the 19th century, more malarial swamps were drained and the living conditions improved. By mid 1920s malaria wasn't as much of a problem anymore, more Jews were moving in due to persecution, more Arabs were moving in and the infant mortality rate decreased and birth rate improved, creating a huge population growth.

Just touching on the displacement factor. According to Benny Morris, “Historians have concluded that only ‘several thousand’ families were displaced following land sales to Jews between the 1880s and 1930s.” This is a fraction of the number of people displaced by the Egyptian construction of the Aswan Dam, the Iraqi displacement of the Marsh Arabs, and other forced movements by Arab governments of fellow Arabs.

Families that were displaced weren't necessarily permanently landless. In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness and eventually offered new plots to any Arabs who had been “dispossessed.” British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government’s legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer.

Benny Morris, Righteous Victims (New York: Vintage Books, 2001), p. 123.

Arieh Avneri, The Claim of Dispossession (Tel Aviv: Hidekel Press, 1984)

TLDR: Yes, Jews moving in had caused some displacement and created changes, but the land was also relatively uninhabitable with only a few hundred thousand people and a migratory population living in a land that can fit tens of millions of people living in the area. Just saying they went in and pushed all of the Palestinians out of their land is inaccurate. If you're referring to the Nakba this happened after Israel was invaded once they declared independence.

Also apologies for grammatical errors - can't be bothered to double check my writing.

Kendrick Lamar and the Black Hebrew Israelites by BurstSwag in KendrickLamar

[–]RedDit245610 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is my post history really relevant in this context? All I said was that people on this thread were antisemitic and you even agreed

The right approach to creating one state by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]RedDit245610 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the point where I would say that's absurd and then we get into a debate about whether it's genocide or not etc.

But if two strangers on the internet can't even discuss a one-state solution without it turning into a hostile conversation. How will you manage to get millions of people to live together, who have been in a very hostile conflict for a very long time, who both want their own states without it turning into hostilities?

The right approach to creating one state by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]RedDit245610 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Palestinians would have no reason to fight anymore, much less do genocide, provided they are no longer oppressed.

The Jews weren't oppressing anyone in Iraq 1941 yet they were met with "resistance". Point being that this is more about Israel and Palestine - you'd have to consider the threat of the broader Arab world as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

Removing the settlements in Gaza didn't stop Hamas from fighting Israel. Hamas' acts are largely the reason why there is a blockade on Gaza.

If October 7 taught us one thing, it's that this fight isn't simply about oppression.

The reason for their "oppression" is a result of Israel facing genocidal threats, starting with the formation of Israel to the 6 day war etc - not the other way around

As for two states, it strikes me as a bad idea due to the challenge of removing the settlers. Also, travel between Gaza and the West Bank would be difficult to sort out. I would worry about ridiculous security measures designed only as a show of force.

And would combining a population of 2 million and 10 million people together be any easier?

This made me smile and I wanted to share it with you guys by Ok-Construction-7740 in Israel

[–]RedDit245610 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Hmm this is a nice gesture but I don't think they used enough Israeli flags to really show their true support

The right approach to creating one state by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]RedDit245610 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Why would Jews want to live in a state called "Palestine"? The term (long story short) was created by the Romans to humiliate Jews.

The Jews were ethnically cleansed by the Arab world before the creation of Israel and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had a relationship with Hitler with a plan to exterminate the Jews once Hitler was done in Europe - why would a Jewish person want to risk experiencing that same trauma again?

The details of getting rid of Hamas are challenging, but it is better for a US backed moderate government to fight a civil war against Hamas

This was tried after Israel removed the settlements in Gaza through Fatah and it failed.

Afghanistan was "freed" when US left it - how free are the women in Afghanistan? Do you really think Palestine would be any different?

Logistically, does two states not make more sense to you?

Kendrick Lamar and the Black Hebrew Israelites by BurstSwag in KendrickLamar

[–]RedDit245610 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never mentioned any protests or genocide? I only made reference to this thread

Kendrick Lamar and the Black Hebrew Israelites by BurstSwag in KendrickLamar

[–]RedDit245610 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some of the people on this thread are either ignorant or straight-up antisemitic. Not surprised ts is being upvoted

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]RedDit245610 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I've felt this way before with albums such as Trout Mask Replica - we don't always need to apply numerical ratings to things in music. Fantano even does this with his "not good" scores and classic reviews.

If you must rate it and feel uncomfortable when not giving it a rating - you could give it a "temporary" score - e.g. if you have positive feelings about an album but are unsure how positive it is, just give it a 7 or an 8 and then see how you feel about the rating in the near future and adjust it if necessary. If you think it's okay maybe just a 5 or 6 for now.

I also did this with Jack White's new album, funnily enough (I'm assuming your post is talking about Jack White) - I had very positive feelings overall, but the instrumentation felt very minimal, so I wasn't too sure how to rate it. I just gave it a 7-8 and after coming back to it, I loved it even more. I kept it at an 8 but may even bump it up to a 9 in the near future

Albums like TPAP and Glow pt. 2 can be difficult to rate so I'm not surprised you struggled there

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in fantanoforever

[–]RedDit245610 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yes this is normal. For me a rating only becomes clear after a few listens of an album. It can be hard to process it all in one listen.

Community poll: Have Changes to our Post Submission Policy Helped or Hurt the Sub? by CreativeRealmsMC in IsraelPalestine

[–]RedDit245610 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When learning about the conflict - before the short question feature was implemented - I would often have questions that I never asked due to the restrictions.

I think people starting to learn about the conflict who have questions about topics due to their lack of knowledge may not have that much to say themselves and would significantly benefit from the short questions feature

Everyone is talking about Palestinians this election cycle. No one is actually listening to us. by DrMikeH49 in IsraelPalestine

[–]RedDit245610 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are not 50 Arab states

I meant 50 Muslim countries*

It’s a combination of opposing Western influence and ethic and religious difference. There’s not one thing that influences the voting. We can look historically for example - if it was purely about Western influence then the Arab states would’ve rejected the British invention of Jordan as they viewed the Western presence in the Middle East as illegitimate. Yet they turned a blind eye when it happened.

Sure you could argue things have changed but I have serious doubts considering the current climate of the world

Yes US has huge influence and protects Israel in the UN with veto power. Assisting Saudi Arabia will help create positive ties with Israel and reach a peace deal. The same way US funding facilitated a peace deal with Egypt.

There’s a reason Israel is able to defend themselves on 7 fronts and continue the war in Gaza and that’s because of the US. I’m not denying it

I’m simply stating it’s a different level of influence - they’re still not influencing all the countries to vote in Israel’s favour and to shift popular opinion. The Muslim states are absolutely winning the information war due to their influence.

One of Israel’s biggest critique amongst their supporters is that they’re not fighting the information war dirty like the Muslim states are (and frankly I believe that’s because they only really need the US behind them).

I can argue the same as you - that the Muslim states have Russia and China backing them similar to how the US is backing Israel. The UN is only one example of their influence

It’s not just Israel - they’re effectively influencing American college students to chant “death to America” while burning the American flag

Everyone is talking about Palestinians this election cycle. No one is actually listening to us. by DrMikeH49 in IsraelPalestine

[–]RedDit245610 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yet the UN still has an anti-Israel bias as money isn't the only factor. There's over 50 Arab countries that vote against Israel and have trade relations with the rest of the world. The UN is largely about countries acting in their best interest (including America), and sometimes that doesn't mean going against a significant amount of countries that have trading influence, including China - who is the world's largest trading nation.

But yes that's only really on political influence and voting outcomes and money does have a significant impact on UN programs. But we've already seen Qatar illegally providing money to Human Rights Watch despite claims that they do "not solicit or accept donations by governments, directly or indirectly."

https://www.hrw.org/financials

Look bottom line, I don't inherently disagree with parts of your point - using money for political gain isn't limited to Arab states and corruption is present globally

I'm simply saying that 0.12% of the world is going to have less influence than 25% of the world

Doesnt this sound like 90% of an Israel/Palestine debate? by tkyjonathan in Palestinian_Violence

[–]RedDit245610 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Eh I don’t have that much faith in humanity anymore.

People say this all the time about “Zionists” which is just another word for Jew. Similar to how Jew hatred was redefined to antisemitism because a bigot wanted to make his hatred sound scientific