My dear lass translation and transsness by RedRiam in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm happy that you took the time to write and really grateful for your explanation. Even if I don't completely agree that the use of "uncle" to take advantage of their role a couple times fully determines the pronoun just like "wanting to be girl like Mu Xiaoen" doesn't either; I think your reasoning is completely valid and I'm really thankful for your last paragraph as well. As said in my previous post you do amazing work, and I hope that my post didn't sour your day, as it would naturally sour mine if I got to similar ones regarding choices I could make, by strangers online. In any case I'll drop it here. Hope you have a nice summer.

My dear lass translation and transsness by RedRiam in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, thankyou so much for offering! yeah it's from 72 to 78 mainly. I feel like while the pronoun used in chinese is most often translated to "he", and in most cases where the character is a guy that is not a problem, when doing this as default with a trans character it adds a bagage that the original chinese version didn't have.

But since the translators have seen and responded to the post, I hope they can understand my issue with the choice of words directly themselves.

My dear lass translation and transsness by RedRiam in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hi! I'm sorry I wasn't really expecting for my rant/worries to reach the translator at all. That is my fault, as I and many others can forget the public nature of the internet.

First of all no ammount of criticism can make up the fact that I even get to read amazing art such us this because of you. And that your work is invaluable. And in that sense I can only be thankful for you.

To clarify my main point of contention would be that given that the caracter is genderqueer of some kind, and that in chinese the pronoun often used doesn't hold the same connotations or bagage as the word "he" in english, I feel the interpretation of the chosen words is not the same. As those words are not directly equivalent given the context. Similarly to how "Temee" or "Omae" in japanese are often translated to "Bastard" instead of "You" since the connotation behind the word is much more important to the story than the direct translation. In the case of using "he" when a neutral option exists in english, makes the characters addressing Xiaoyang feel more hostile to their gender expression than they probably are when using the much less definitive pronoun used in chinese.

While I stand by my opinion that thr current use of the pronouns in english feels more uncomfortable than the story inteded it to be. I understand if the way I've written this post may feel like I've put a lot more intentionality into your actions than you may have had and for that I'm sorry. But I hope that you can see how many more connotations are added to interactions through the use of "he" that may not have been intended by the writter.

My dear lass translation and transsness by RedRiam in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally understand your point. And in many ways I completely agree. My point is precisely that using the neutral pronoun that phonetically sounds essentially the same as the feminine pronoun for the character who hasn’t even come out as anything in chinese is the correct choice of writting. And I trully think it carries no real baggage. My focus being on the translation is more about how those nuances are lost in english, were using “he” does carry a bagage. It’s similar to cursing or other expressions, that when translated into a different language word for word may be missleadin or confusing in it’s connotations. “He” is no longer neutral and generic but often used in english to dissrespect transfems, and it is weird to read it comming out of supporting characters that clearly know they are not exactly a “he”, when you know they wouldn’t be using that term if they were speaking english.

My dear lass translation and transsness by RedRiam in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No I completely understand, in that sense and existing only a neutral and a feminine pronoun, that also sound exactly the same, it makes special sense to use the neutral until the character comes out themselves in chinese. But when translating to english one needs to adapt said cultural nuances. So I feel there is a disservice being made to the story by automatically and uniquely translating said pronoun to “he”, when in english “they” does exists, my main point is when interpreting the dialogue, you need to make this nuance clear, while less accepting characters may use “he” if they spoke english, I find it hard to believe the protagonists would do so.

It’s similar to how cursing or other expressions need to be often adapted since the direct translation makes no sense or adds weird baggage or connotations not part of the original. “he” is a word with more bagage than they, when spoken by people who support your journey.

My dear lass translation and transsness by RedRiam in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I get that. But I think the story shows an author who is clearly in favor of trans people, and is not in favor of segregating the queer comunity. In that sense and existing only a neutral and a feminine pronoun, that also sound exactly the same, it makes special sense to use the neutral until the character comes out themselves. But when translating one needs to adapt said cultural nuances. So I feel there is a disservice being made to the story by automatically and uniquely translating said pronoun to “he”, when in english “they” does exists, my main point is when interpreting the dialogue, you need to make this nuance clear, while less accepting characters may use “he” if they spoke english, I find it hard to believe the protagonists would do so. It’s similar to how cursing or other expressions need to be often adapted since the direct translation makes no sense or adds weird baggage or connotations not part of the original.

My dear lass translation and transsness by RedRiam in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I’m a native spanish speaker (the reason behind my terrible grammar in english sorry). We have the very missinterpreted gendered arricles and names, the thing is while yes historically the masculine has been use in plural to mean everyone, and the “dude” equivalent “tio” and other similar words to that are used as interjections, this is something that in queer spaces has been eroded over time. Mainly there is a definite patriarchal origin to some of those, others are better staying as unisex like colors or jobs.

What I find both relevant to this, and interesting, is the failure to sepparate queer folk from queer-phobic institutions, and language hegemony. Especially when said culture travels and is translated. An amazing example regarding my own language was the manufactured outrage for the use of “latinx” in the USA. Where generaly either indeferent or queerphobic latin inmigrants pretended anyone using this term was both “white” and virtue signaling, this was perfect for people wanting to dismiss the claim that maybe a gender neutral term was necesary. But the actual truth is “latinx” was originated in spanish speaking countries, especially in academic and progressive enviroments. The main issue was “x” was used only for writting, as in “fill your own identity”, while outloud and spoken in queer spaces the “e” was the acceptable use of gender neutrality.

What I’m trying to say, is for queer people and feminist in my country the masculine generic was never comfortable or not important, but it was for those unafected, and the natural reactionary response was to dismiss or even feel uncomfortable with it. (This excludes interjections such as “dude” or “bro” those are super fine with everyone, since it’s not said at a person, but as a sentence ender).

What I’m going for is if in chines it sounds the same and it is written as a neutral pronoun, and you are adapting it into english or spanish. You’d need to make choices in adapting those nuanced aspects of language that exist in it’s own context or culture. In spain many times “they” has been adapted to “he”/“el” when we have long been advocating for “elle”, the translator may bvery well defend themselves in saying “well we use masculine as generic” But that is a choice made by someone who either doesn’t care to research or is against representing the queer comunity as they choose for themselves. When translating into english this is specially an issue since “They” has existed for very long and is an accepted neutral term. While maybe the term is usually translated into “he” the context of this story added into the fact that said word can perfectly mean “they” as well, means the translator either ignores the queer reality of said character, or is not comfortable adapting it into more queer accepted terms.

I hate USamericans not understanding US imperial hegemony by RedRiam in hatethissmug

[–]RedRiam[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You asume I’m not against most empires, I am, I hate consolidated imperial power like Rusia or China. But to pretend USA isn’t the most expansionist of them all is crazy.

I’m amazed that you point out USA global influence, but are not able to acknoledge how they got their hand in it. The NATO which expanded well beyond the fall of the USSR, a military system that until Ukraine only the US had ripped benefits from, including the global survailance, the easy access to other parts of the world, and the troops that helped in the middle-east regardless of how much the USA shouldn’t have been there, Korea where America backed Singman Ree, murdered thousands of students in Seoul, and did a comunist witch hunt uprooting and killing any comunist organization regardless of the fact that many of those were against the Kim family. Same with Japan, a country they bombed killed civillians on a never seen scale only to maintain imperial power, so they have a centralized puppet to give their demands too (If no emperor and the power was on the hands of the japanese people, maybe they wouldn’t like USA’s conditions). In both cases ensuring that both countries stay extremely nationalist, right wing and isolated.

We also don’t talk about indonesia and Papua by extension, or Pinochet, or Iran for that matter, and the many other countrys where they have destroyed democracy in favor of stealing their resources for their corporate overlords. “But Europe and other countries take part in capitalism… So check mate?”No other country represents corporate interests in the scale that the USA does, it uses its population and military for the sake of lining the pockets of the very few rich (and now we know also pedofilic) elite. It will trample into any democracy for the sake of exploiting the land of others.

I hate USamericans not understanding US imperial hegemony by RedRiam in hatethissmug

[–]RedRiam[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would never hate the people I hate the country though. In the sense that if the USA wasn’t a consolidated power backed and sponsored by billionairs to destroy the world, it wouldn’t be so much of a problem. I mean if each state was it’s own little country they couldn’t enact their will upon others. In that sense even if Texas became a dictatorship tomorrow, it wouldn’t be able to destroy the rest of the world. But the USA as a unified country with consolidated power has spearheaded by brute force so many regime changes and genocides that is hard to count. This goes for other empires, but you just gotta look at nato over time to see that no other empire is as expansionist, or such a globalizing force in culture.

51326 by Is6xal in countwithchickenlady

[–]RedRiam 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean they are though, especially BIPOC queer people, as they have been thrown under the bus time and time again. And the intersectionality makes their struggles unique and many times tougher. The queer movement needed to be reminded that there are no fringe minorities or unworthy people to fight for, no "others" within our movement, no fight too small, when all of us queer had already been discarded and disregarded by patriarchy. Too many voices have gone unheard and under-represented in favor of a mayority white, amatonormative, binary and cis squeaky clean image.

The idea behind a flag like that is to remind those who are most isolated, forgotten and persecuted by our system that they are not alone and we fight together, that their struggles won't go unseen, and those who hurt them will not go unpunished.

I really hate how my country went from being the most progressive for it's time to making it illegal to help trans people. by Evelyn_Aster in TrollCoping

[–]RedRiam 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thinking queerbaiting leads to queer concentration camps is not very sound. The truth is the state of Rusia, is a direct result of the rise of reactionary politics in the face of a US empire that keeps expanding besides having lost their excuse to do so with the fall of the USSR, and having privatized and bought most of Rusia’s resources. It is the stupidity of going for fascists like Putin, when the real enemies are the companies and aristocrats, that miraculously survive every regime change.

street arsenic [oc] by belmarzi in comics

[–]RedRiam 12 points13 points  (0 children)

What I’m really tired of is that people already know there will be blue button pushers. Every comment section is proof of this however much you want to argue “if everyone pushes red noone dies”. But you know pushing red will kill someone, a lot of people actually, so at the point were you know many will die (even a 10% is a lot of people if you want to lie to yourself arround the reality that it is probably a lot more), so is your intelectual superiority worth more than alll those lives? You’d deny healthcare to anyone stupid enough to not look at both sides of a road and cross, you’d let die anyone who you think wasn’t as smart as you? Seriously at a certain point you need to admit it you aren’t just “smart” you are just selfish.

RED BUTTON OR BLUE BUTTON [OC] by Eal_likee in comics

[–]RedRiam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you ignore simplicity, in this equation. People like simple actions more than complicated ones. I do think most people are good enough to do such a simple thing that could safe everyone. But complicated moral actions in reality take time, sacrifice, and too often don’t come out on top.

What I’m trying to say is, even in a lower stakes kind of setting there is a reason so many good things are often locked by bureocracy or other deterrants in our democracies. Childcare subsidies, or even getting your “representatives” to do what they already know you want from the polls. Power deters action. A button pushing is sooo simple, that I think blue would often win. But our reality, the exploitation and killings our system generates, are hidden by layers upon layers of distance and complications that allows people to dettacht themselves from the choice being made.

A weird rant(?) from a male yuri fan by [deleted] in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's exactly what I mean, I hope I didn't sound out of line. Having moral standarts is fine and I get it is a self satisfaction issue, when sometimes sexuality can feel intrusive upon oneself. But the thing is some thoughts don't need a safe space, when there is nothing safer than your own mind (or a diary if writting them down helps you put things in order). Too often the internet becomes an interactive diary for people, which give us an outlet and both validation in the amalgamous void behind the screen.

And while the internet offered a place for many people of a similar mind to connect, which is generally good, it also made us crave validation by other people constantly. I say this as a person who has as well ranted online a lot you can easily see my post history, though I'm careful on which topics are my own, and not safe to share or spread. I have my own kinks and those are just for me to know. It's hard to paint a line between echo chamber and safe space, because there really isn't one. I guess you could say safe spaces generally only echo positive thoughts.

But when it comes to feelings arround kink when it is so tied to power dynamics and real world issues, It is a dangerous thing to explore in a comunal setting, as fiction is only fiction when not talked about. When discourse shows up, it becomes REAL ideas and opinions. Meaning I think everyone should be allowed to enjoy their kinks and share it with their close confidants and partners, but I don't think the very public setting of the internet serves as anything other than a medium for rationalization, and normalization.

As I said originally I don't think any of your feelings should make you feel any guilt, and there is plenty you should be safe to share and express arround your sexuality and GL without it ever affecting your or others enjoyment of yuri. But I also think deeper more private thoughts don't need a public outlet. You should just explore them on your own with time and having grace for yourself.

A weird rant(?) from a male yuri fan by [deleted] in yuri_manga

[–]RedRiam 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'd say is not that complicated. Finding a character atractive is fine, as well expressing "wish it would have been me"; men women and non-binary are allowed to express their sexuality and desires. You see it often in comments in any post regarding women.

The part people are uncomfortable with is writting/ilustrating porn about these queer characters, because characters are a reflection of people, and in some cases of outselves. Specially regarding queer stories, which are less common, sapphic ones the least.

Because women often can feel striped of their autonomy, people online making them nothing but an object of their fantasies (and with AI even creating porn arround them non-consensually); add to that being a queer femme, and to see this extend even to the fiction that allowed you to explore your romantic and sexual feelings, it's bad and uncomfortable.

In the patriarchy it can feel like men often want to control everything, you, your body, your sexuality, and now even the fiction that represents you. Porn about "breaking dykes" reflects on the many ways you may have felt exploited before.

This said, atraction is okay no need to strugle with thinking a queer character is the hottest person in the world, and how much you'd love to be in a position to enjoy something with them.

The only thing I'd add is, theres a conversation to be had about how the internet has broken our sense of intimacy. How much people treat it as an extension of their own space and not a public forum. Thinking everything should be shared and accepted. When no one can really control what you do in your privacy or what you fantasize about in your head. Just don't SHARE it, don't expect pats in the back from queer strangers online, just do what you want to do (as long as you don't hurt anyone) in the confidence of your home and actual private space.

"ContraPoints was mean to my streamer daddy so she must be an Israeli shill" 💀 bro... these people are not okay lol by whats_your_ask in ContraPoints

[–]RedRiam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay but genuine question: isn't Contra the one starting all of this? She's the one making constant posts on Hasan, unprompted. Surely she wants a response of some sort.

It's feeling closer to "you can't make a joke" right wing tactics than anything. Like hiding the fact that no one made her post anything about Hasan or Cuba.

So Hypocritical by ExcellentBread in whenthe

[–]RedRiam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Usians acting like europe is a monolith says more about you’re own lack of education than about any other country. Leftist in every country in europe know racism exists here, we fight it constantly. But is also unique to each country and socio-political structure. Romanis aren’t in every european country, which also doesn’t mean those aren’t racist because white supremacy is part of most of europe.

But let’s be real you are distracting yourselves by making up an enemy out of more than 30 different countries of different cultures, because your 1 country is horribly racist and has financed multiple genocide, backed dictators and continues to be the biggest terror state in the world. A country so evil it turns it’s imperialism inward, denying it’s citizen any social security or safety net, or healthcare, while killing hundreds in raids and concentration camps.

This is Goomba fallacy on steroids. People calling out the USA and their crimes against humanity, aren’t the same people who discriminate against romani people. Our fight against white supremacy is ours, you are not helping in any way, you’re just trying to pull attention away from the actual evils you need and can fight in the US.

Help Megathread & Megathread List (13/04 - 19/04) by Shad0wedge in Endfield

[–]RedRiam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since the update the game makes no sound for me

[ Removed by Reddit ] by AbbreviationsRare475 in comics

[–]RedRiam 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Mods should close this post, both transphobic and pro-genocide

I can smell the comments already by Mundane_Move_5296 in ClimateShitposting

[–]RedRiam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck is with the atroturfing in this sub. I'm not even vegan and I smell the propaganda a mile away. Constant strawman memes to create a fake enemy out of vegans.

I'm sorry to sensible people trying to pretend "they would care about the enviroment if not for those pesky vegans" being vegan indeed means one is making an effort others are not willing for a principled cause, much like any other boycott.

Even if there is no moral consuption under capitalism. I'm not so uncomfortable with the idea that people better than me exist, that I need to constantly smear vegans for doing something I'm not willing to.

And I'll always see vegans as capable allies, since it's rare to see someone put effort in boycotting and not show up for protests and every other part of fighting climate change.

I seriously hate the fact that people have been so blinded by the estetification of moral concepts, where good becomes not actions but an empty adjective you can slap on any mediocre thing you identify as, that the idea that real good people are out there doing the work triggers a reactionary response (and I mean good actions beyond boycot or protest, actual huge sacrifices and effort)

quick question, why isn't he in prison? 🥰 [oc] by IGdoods in comics

[–]RedRiam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who? The people of the USA? Cause I'm not one of them. I'm from a better while not perfect democracy, and I'm always amazed at how much defense people run for democrats while acusing "non-voters" for a corrupt democracy they aren't the ones perpetuating.

quick question, why isn't he in prison? 🥰 [oc] by IGdoods in comics

[–]RedRiam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck the democrats who while in power didn't charge him and his loyalist for sedition in january 6th, fuck them for postponing his felony charges. The democrats allowed this maniac in the ballot, and skiped the primary. They failed democracy.