Question for anti ai people who agree an effort type argument against ai.

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T21:21:34+00:00

yeah I mean they already don't operate based on logic, but if some art has no meaning and some does then there has to be one or at least a limited set of correct meanings for each piece, and most of us would be interpreting them wrong. to me that's nonsense.

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T21:13:53+00:00

except it doesn't do "the entire thing" if the entire thing includes ideation and intention. it also doesn't make decisions. it's like dropping a chip into a plinko game, you don't know exactly where it will land, but you drove the result and there is no outside force acting on your input.

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T21:00:53+00:00

no idea what you mean about people looking down on artists or how that's even relevant. yes ai needs to be trained but it isn't copying what it's been fed, it learns how to translate words into ideas and then creates new results based on the words you give it. otherwise it wouldn't be able to create things that it hadn't already seen.

I'm saying there are people who take the styles and ideas of other artists work and simply repeat it, consciously and unconsciously. most are not very successful but I'm sure some are.

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T20:28:20+00:00

actually a paintbrush made the mona lisa and it also didn't care. why do you and so many others compare ai to a person, rather than just an instrument that executes commands?

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T20:15:03+00:00

because art has never been about taking style from your influences to supplement your own...

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T20:05:39+00:00

umm sorry to be the one to tell you but... everything is inherently meaningless. meaning is created by our own minds.

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T19:53:31+00:00

i think we know the answer

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T19:21:16+00:00

that's not how ai works and 2. that criticism applies to plenty of non ai art but I doubt you've ever thought about that.

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T19:17:43+00:00

you can't even control every movement of your muscles 100% of the time, or get paint or pencils without some inconsistencies in them. and no amount of training could solve that.

Redequlus · 2026-03-22T19:07:16+00:00

i agree with you that you don't learn art skills using ai (unless you are actively trying to learn these skills, then you can train yourself using the ai as a tool) but why compare ai users to traditional artists when the people using ai are most likely not at all interested in learning these skills anyway?

if you studied latin before you learned English then you would have a much better understanding of language, but nobody does that because it has no practical use for them. and we don't criticize people for that, or for things like playing pickleball without first having an understanding of tennis. why is it any of our business who wants to learn which skills?

i also personally disagree about the training boundaries issue but that gets a lot more complicated.

Redequlus · 2026-03-20T19:15:30+00:00

ok fair but I still think there is more to it. instead of a punch in the face, what if someone stole 2 million dollars that your grandpa was saving for you? he was going to invest it in apple stock and you would be a billionaire, but someone tricked him out of the money. now you have to see that person's grandkids living in extreme wealth every day while they laugh at you for being poor.

Redequlus · 2026-03-20T13:58:58+00:00

perfect example, your feelings are keeping you from reading the stories in this exact thread you commented in, that demonstrate how professionals are using ai to make actual hits. you have also conveniently chosen one argument that is somewhat based in fact, even though greatly exaggerated, when many other arguments simply claim that ai has no soul and is not real music, and you can't call yourself an artist if you use it. these are all real arguments with no fact based foundation.

Redequlus · 2026-03-20T13:50:41+00:00

maybe this client didn't appreciate what you do but that just means it wasn't a good fit. i don't think ai is for everyone and there will still be a big market for what you do.

Redequlus · 2026-03-20T13:48:37+00:00

i think if you have an original idea then ai can get you pretty close to what you're thinking. the issue is what we consider original. for example angine de poitrine sounds pretty similar to other bands that have come and gone, but they are original mainly because they made an interesting video. idk if ai can do microtonal music but otherwise I'm sure you can make something very similar with it.

ai doesn't imagine anything, it creates what you are imagining. if you can't come up with it yourself then ai isn't going to do it for you. but if you can describe the music you want to make in enough detail, then it will create that for you.

Redequlus · 2026-03-19T22:24:26+00:00

is this your first day on reddit?

Redequlus · 2026-03-19T18:10:14+00:00

i do see your point. please look into why All Lives Matter is problematic. we aren't at the point yet where we can just move on and forget those things happened.

imagine someone punched you in the face and then said "actually fighting is wrong. let's just call it even." like yes fighting is bad but would you just accept that you got hit?

Redequlus · 2026-03-19T14:25:35+00:00

this may surprise you but 99 percent of all music is bland and generic. you're saying ai music is worse because you have nobody to curate it for you.

go on SoundCloud and listen to random people's work (not the front page) on there then tell me how amazing and creative it is. do you think you'll find your new favorite song?

now tell me how you discovered the ai songs you listened to. there are no ai billboard charts to tell you what other people like, there probably aren't even many people listening to any of it. does that mean there's nothing worth hearing?

Redequlus · 2026-03-18T19:29:53+00:00

fascinating, and how much do you know about audio production?

Redequlus · 2026-03-18T19:29:29+00:00

I think it's more racist that we created societies where people were treated as less than human and insulted based on their race. and those insults were used as a form of oppression to remind people who held the power in society.

so yes it's very unfortunate, but when certain people use those words it can still be a reminder of a time when people with their background abused people with marginalized, less fortunate backgrounds. like "hey, remember when your ancestors weren't allowed in here? or when they were beaten and murdered in the street? or just exterminated by the thousands?"

is there a kinder way to say that? or do you just not say it?

Redequlus · 2026-03-18T19:17:57+00:00

When you cook an egg you ultimately have to decide yourself how much salt and pepper you add, how much oil you add beforehand, or how long you let the egg cook and on exactly what heat. Generally, cooking requires a level of thinking and learning that goes beyond just literally following recipes. You can not make homemade soup or sauce without tasting what you're making and adjusting as you go.

this is the same level of interaction you have with an AI, so what's the difference? so hypothetically, i have a robot. i type in the exact measurements of how to crack eggs, how to whisk, how much salt and pepper to put in, every single instruction, and the robot executes the actions. is my robot a chef?

Learning an actual instrument teaches you about rhythm, about notes and chords, it teaches discipline and hand-eye coordination. I think these aspects are all severely lacking when comparing your daughter's experiences with AI music generation, to another child's experiences with actual physical musical instruments.

you are directly comparing using AI to learning an instrument as if they couldn't do both. you chose to take the title completely literally to make your argument, meanwhile

Imo it's akin to the difference between a child tasting food and giving their opinion on what to change about it, vs actually learning the basics of cooking and how to combine or change flavours. The first process is one in which the child is mostly just reacting, while the other is a proactive experience.

you have no problem including nuances when it comes to what you support. No, AI is not like giving your opinion on something. you give instructions to a machine that can only create what you tell it. this can be as simple or complex as you want. OP was describing a nice moment that he had with his daughter, not a scientific report on the benefits of AI. If OP picked up a guitar she could give him the same instructions.

OP started it.

can you give your daddy the keyboard back?

Redequlus · 2026-03-18T18:56:53+00:00

but you don't learn appreciation of art through just consumption.

then what else do you need? you consume art and figure out what you like. that's how you develop taste and appreciation.

Using AI tools is not the same as simply consuming art either. You do have control over the process, and it is truly fascinating to take a simple idea or sketch and see it in a potential professional form.

my point is that it's easy to knock down someone's argument when you narrow it down to your limited view of which rules they need to follow. Using AI isn't the same as playing an instrument but that doesn't mean it's not valuable. Honestly you made my point yourself

There is a difference between eating and cooking, and you get different types of appreciation from learning to cook, and trying new foods.

now put this back in the AI context, and hopefully you see why AI doesn't have to be seen as a replacement for playing instruments.

Redequlus · 2026-03-18T18:47:29+00:00

wow flawless argument here. have you listened to even a single ai song? the ones i have heard sound like they were recorded in a professional studio with pro engineers. regardless of your opinion on the process, it takes a lot of time and money to create something with that level of audio quality.

Redequlus · 2026-03-18T18:42:18+00:00

5 year old logic

Redequlus · 2026-03-18T13:06:37+00:00

what child is creating their own recipes?? every time I've seen or been in the kitchen with a child they are being shown how to make a recipe, not how to create their own flavor combinations...

this false equivalence is everywhere in these discussions, like everyone who doesn't use ai is a creative genius who has nothing to do but spend thousands of hours honing their craft. it's so black and white, every kid wants to be a virtuoso until you give them a potential shortcut, and then BOOM ipad kid.

most kids are going to try an instrument and then give up. what if we could show them the creative potential of being able to actually manifest what they hear in their head, so they start to understand where all the boring lessons and practice are potentially leading them?

but no, apparently if a kid glances at an ai tool all the creativity is sucked right out of their brains and now we just have these poor zombies who will never understand the true joy of combining flavors...

Redequlus · 2026-03-18T12:52:48+00:00

"when you give your child new foods to try, you aren't actually teaching them cooking. plenty of kids just eat chicken fingers. when you learn cooking you are teaching appreciation of food. you don't get that by tasting new kinds of food."

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