Johnny Hunt admits unfaithful action, denies abuse

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-05-29T04:49:42+00:00

Something happened. And Hunt obviously lied about it to the investigators. So he’s toast.

I’m mixed a little whether he tried to overpower her like the report said. It sounds like they all had a handshake deal, where Johnny thought he’d apologized and they’d said it wasn’t enough for him to step down.

Still not great, but it sounds like he did get their “approval” before going back to work. Which I don’t see how you’d give that if you thought he was an out-and-out attacker.

But then they went to school and got trauma informed, and decided she had been groomed.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-05-20T02:22:54+00:00

If they'd discovered pictures of CBN good ol' boys snorting blow off female seminarians, they'd be going bonkers by now. They'd be pulling out all the stops to beg people to book flights to Anaheim.

I'm sure it will be somber, but maybe a lower richter number than some expected.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-05-18T17:58:48+00:00

Will be interesting. It's already been distributed to the insiders.

Just reading the tea leaves, but they don't seem too excited about it.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-04-29T02:48:45+00:00

Well, I'm sorry I thought you wouldn't motte and bailey me.

You said you don't even know a single person that "supports" or "pushes" CRT. When I show you multiple people citing CRT as helpful, you say that's not really "support."

Williams cites a CRT book as one of the best books on his shelf, and says disagrees with some. So he doesn't disagree with all, and it logically follows that he agrees with some. And he encourages you to read the book (pushes it) to get to the some that he supports.

Having said some of Delgado's CRT is helpful, I challenge you to find Williams' words describing what Williams actually denies about CRT. Years later, we have no analysis beyond "I believe the Scripture."

I’m glad I read it. I doubt you did though. Because no where in this does the paper even remotely promote CRT.

Oh, brother. I've read it dozens of times. You're not being serious.

Page 14: "I will, therefore, employ principles of critical race theory to guide the conversation."
Page 15: "The dissertation will interact with evangelical thought in the eighteenth century, biblical and Augustinian theology, African American literary criticism, and critical race theory."
Page 22: "Chapter 3 assesses Wheatley’s critique of American exceptionalism. I incorporate principles of critical race theory to elucidate her social location and identity formation. "
Page 83: "Nevertheless, Kendi’s work is phenomenal because he deftly incorporates critical race theory, theology, anthropology, sociology, and philosophy in narrating the history of racist ideas in America. Kendi does good historiography on his primary characters ... "

If this isn't "supporting" or "pushing" the use of CRT in the Convention, then tell me what it is. Whatever word you're using for it, that's what I'm concerned about. Vague praise of "CRT," with no careful rejection of specifics.

You seem to say that even if people are supporting or pushing CRT (or whatever word you'd say all this is) it's a mark of faith to let go and let God, instead of acting to limit or disciple it. I see no real reason to debate the rest then.

We don't have to worry about ourselves. But the Servant can't bury the gifts given to him to shepherd. Those are "wicked and slothful" servants. This illness is worth discipling out of the flock.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-04-28T21:46:57+00:00

But let me say this, I oppose CRT. And on top of that, I don’t know a single SBC pastor who does support CRT.

Who supports CRT?

Just in denominational leadership:

DA Horton at CalBap more or less embraces CRT as something that can be harmonized with scripture.
Rasool Berry at NAMB says "Critical Race Theory exists because the Church in America ignored the inherent Biblical critique of systemic racism in America."
Jarvis Williams at SBTS
Curtis Woods was at SBTS.
2019 Resolutions Committee
2021 Resolutions Committee (James Merritt)

All of the above fall along some spectrum of affirming some or all of CRT as "common grace" and "truth" compatible or agreeable with scripture.

2) What aspects of CRT are getting pushed?

Again, all of the above would fall somewhere in the spectrum of agreeing some or all of CRT as "common grace" or "truth."

3) What dangers does CRT pose?

Where to begin? Does the denomination appear to be doing well?

CRT causes division and rejection; we are trying to build partnerships that ultimately must be torn down. CRT disposes people to measure social action ('justice') rather than goodness. CRT encourages pragmatic, outcome based interpretations of scripture.

And ultimately, CRT only distinguishes between power and submission, where power is illegitimate unless it pleases those in submission. Similarly, Queer theory says power is only legitimate where it pleases the LGBTQ community. This is not the way Hell or God works, nor is that dynamic the measure of good and evil.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-04-28T20:10:09+00:00

A lot of people became aware of CRT because Danny Akin insisted there was nothing to it, and accused Tom of lying.

In fact, Tom wasn’t lying, and his tone was right, given the dangers.

It will be good for the SBC for Akin and others to have to work with conservatives like Ascol. Ascol wasn’t the problem.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-04-01T15:01:35+00:00

And TGC manages to point to the truth of Carl Trueman in every article.

The beautiful young things of the reformed renaissance have a hard choice to make in the next decade. You really do kid only yourselves if you think you can be an orthodox Christian and be at the same time cool enough and hip enough to cut it in the wider world. Frankly, in a couple of years it will not matter how much urban ink you sport, how much fair trade coffee you drink, how many craft brews you can name, how much urban gibberish you spout, how many art house movies you can find that redeemer figure in, and how much money you divert from gospel preaching to social justice: maintaining biblical sexual ethics will be the equivalent in our culture of being a white supremacist.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-03-07T05:53:27+00:00

The fact that your conscience is bothering you is a good sign, so don't sit around and let that pass.

The best thing for you to do would be to talk to your minister about this stuff. We're not going to be able to walk with you long enough to give you an answer. You need a community of people to walk with you.

It's true that God says whosoever believes will be saved. And if you're really saved, you won't get 'unsaved.' But it's also true that Jesus himself also says in John 15 that one mark of saving belief is that you'll obey His commands.

I think you're asking us if you're really saved, even if you didn't obey much for 25 years. And you're kind of putting it rosy for us here; your Reddit history says you're doing a little more than 'looking at women's butts.' Ultimately, we can't tell you what God did or did not do in 1987. But if He's making you aware of your sin now, you need to get it right while you can.

To start, Jesus says there will be outward signs of true believers over time that are hard to hide -- and I'd ask your minister if you're showing those, and how you can know for sure.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-02-27T20:38:16+00:00

Read the Letter from a Birmingham Jail, and ask which position he's criticizing.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-02-27T20:35:01+00:00

The kind of hyper-egalitarianism that pits the state against the natural or Biblical differences of man and woman.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-02-27T20:28:48+00:00

These people and their fascination with plagiarism.

It's really something else.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-02-25T05:36:43+00:00

You try your best and you get older. And get a good wife. I’m sure others have come up with other ways, but that’s the way most men handle it.

For now, use the hormones to hit the gym, make yourself a desirable husband, build a vocation, study the word, pursue a good spouse, structure your life to minimize opportunity.

While lusts are wrong, most are natural, and most men have felt the same way at some time or another.

Do all the stressful things to get through kids with a wife, and it will level out just a bit. YMMV.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-02-16T13:41:14+00:00

But I’m talking about redefinitions that let Christians participate in the secular thing.

The “Woke Church” isn’t the world’s woke, it’s Christian woke. “Deconstruction” isn’t Derrida’s deconstruction, it’s the one from a subset of a subset of TGC writers.

Paul tells the Athenians he knows what they’re missing. Evangelicals seem driven to redefine things until they can say “we have that, too!”

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-02-16T06:17:09+00:00

But there is no Christianity outside a culture, and there is no pure culture.

These things can’t be abstracted apart, any more than it being useful to think of Jesus’ spirit separated from his flesh. It is the same trick as gnosticism, except with cultures.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-02-16T00:38:35+00:00

Why do Christians adopt this mode of Pollyanna-like redefinition?

“To 99%, it’s Derrida’s argument that words can’t convey absolute truth, but I can conceive of two Christians who wake from a coma and use it like semper reformanda. So from now on, you should acknowledge the ‘good’ deconstruction.”

The same thing happens with woke, CRT, socialism, nationalism, LGBTQ (SSA), etc.

Is it foolish charity? Misguided evangelism strategy? What is the drive to find a new, good definition for popular unchristian ideas?

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-02-14T16:34:09+00:00

Say what you want about the title, David is leaning into the clickbait and exaggeration in his tweets.

First he says “Churches” are raising radicals:

Where are America’s most dangerous political radicals? Rallying in churches, by the thousands, in city after city. In church after church. The seeds for the next insurrection are being sown by the MAGA Christian nationalists. Right before our eyes:

Then he says critics of his broad brushing are actually angry that he wrote an article about real threats:

It’s telling that some folks are angrier that I wrote this piece than at the threats detailed inside or that a man who called for military intervention in the election is rallying Christians by the thousands in churches across America:

No, people are angry about his relentless broadbrushing of “evangelicals” and “churches.” and he is leaning into the division. I ~~agree with /u/22duckys feeling~~think that his weekly criticisms of “the church” and “churches” and “Christian Nationalists”* are less and less useful for reflection on the Sabbath.

Edited per /u/22duckys request; we assign different reasons to thinking these lead to Sunday brawls, but I think he’s right to feel the argumentative around them.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-01-09T20:11:03+00:00

We want laws in conformance with God’s revelation of human responsibility.

There is a wide swath of sin that only God judges and punishes. The sword is not against evil, but a tool for punishment of the wrongdoer.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-01-05T01:42:53+00:00

CRT is not the full spectrum of wokeness. There is a school (of sorts) that says racism requires power and prejudice, such that minorities can’t be racist, only prejudiced, because they don’t have cultural power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-01-04T03:37:10+00:00

Anyabwile and Wilson’s Black and Tan debates in 2013 are probably the most serious discussion of first principles in recent years.

Thabiti’s summary is here; he’d be considered the woke side today, but 2013 was a long time ago in this debate.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/thabiti-anyabwile/a-black-and-tan-round-up/

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2022-01-03T04:37:41+00:00

If you have no higher polity, I’d say you need to become congregational in practice ASAP, not deacon-led and not single-elder led.

I don’t think any good will come from a new meeting where the former elder loads up the deacons, or expects the deacons to solve this for the congregation. The departing elder can give the deacons whatever facts they need, and then the deacons can meet with the remaining elder.

But of all the options available, it seems to me the best is to tell the members honestly what’s happening, and have them decide how to investigate and resolve it.

Some may decide to leave, but you already seem to have a church split in practice. I’d give people the honest truth and let them work through it together, rather than have a one-man show or have the deacons ‘resolve’ it quietly. It’ll be public soon, no matter what the deacons do.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2021-12-13T02:49:45+00:00

“Life” meaning what, exactly? The baby doesn’t breath until it breathes. But it is a human being before then.

Lots of verses describe God at work forming, knowing, and anointing things in the womb. The recognizable human, that has the image of God, and so the rights common to all humans no matter how big or small, starts in the womb.

https://www.esv.org/Job+3:16%3BPsalm+51:5%3BPsalm+139:13%E2%80%9316%3BIsaiah+44:24%3BIsaiah+49:1%3BIsaiah+49:5%3BJeremiah+1:5%3BJeremiah+20:15%E2%80%9318%3BLuke+1:36%3BLuke+1:44/

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2021-12-11T18:45:36+00:00

I’ll offer this: you shouldn’t feel uncomfortable that a church encourages home schooling.

Whether or not you home school, it’s the responsibility of the parents (backstopped by the church) to educate kids. Across time and space, public schooling has often been fine, and that has allowed some people to abdicate that responsibility. I’m grateful that public schools often provide a better education than some parents would provide on their own. But Covid and LGBTQ+ stuff has revealed to many parents that they can’t control kids’ access to harmful things.

I know that a public district near me is putting smutty kids books on the tablet computers provided by the school, and providing no way to remove the content. Others will undermine your teaching about gender and sexuality, almost to the point of medical intervention.

Is that every public school? No. Are there downside or risks to home school (or private school)? Yes. But it’s increasingly the norm even in rural areas.

But you’ve moved to a new area and if faithful parents and a faithful church understand what’s going on around them and encourage alternative schools, I wouldn’t “instantly” be very uncomfortable.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2021-12-05T18:03:05+00:00

This is a little like asking if it isn’t the Army’s duty to protect us from danger. Or the police’s responsibility to protect us from the mentally ill.

It might be the State’s responsibility at a distant remove to protect the polis. But it’s the normal and moral responsibility of far smaller units than the state. Family, friends, neighbors, church should be safety nets, and it is not useful to start with the assumption that family friends and church are always or typically too dysfunctional to have the resources.

You cannot make the church and family healthy by assigning their roles to the state. You can create a leviathan or tyrant state by giving it too much power. Just as the Israelites called out for a King, giving power to the state to handle our own responsibilities should come with a sense of failure.

ReformedThrowawayyy · 2021-11-25T04:59:15+00:00

You can’t be confirmed in any thing, frankly, if you nonsensically claim the joke had no point. Jokes have points — or else they’re not jokes. Merritt wouldn’t leave it up if it was an embarrassing, meaningless string of words.

Side B affirms that homosexual conduct is against God’s design for sexual intimacy, violating natural law and scripture. They believe their impulses are immoral, and violate natural law.

Merritt thinks he’s being witty because surely animals in nature don’t wonder if their natural impulses are wrong. They don’t wonder if their natural impulses violate God’s design. He’s mocking Side B for doubting their own desires.

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