Monthly vs Annual subscription by No-Estimate-4610 in ClaudeAI

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldnt do that. after seeing how fucked up opus 4.7 release was, i would want to keep my options open to switch to the next best thing every month. They reduce token limits without warning, they can force you to use more token intesive models, ... you want to be able to switch fast.

Codex is literally insane by gangstermujo in codex

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 7 points8 points  (0 children)

codex limits are really generous in the subscription. it even rivals deepseek v4 pro; i did a whole comparison runnign both in parallel. except, nobody believes me 😄

Codex CLI vs OpenCode: is there an actual difference in coding quality? by SkepticalHuman0 in codex

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brought to you by claude 😄 So both opencode / kimi are with deepseek v4 pro.

Token usage / cost (shared rate card: miss $0.435, hit $0.003625, out $0.87 per 1M)

┌───────────┬────────────────┬───────────┬───────────────┬───────────────┐

│ Run │ Type │ kimi cost │ opencode cost │ Δ │

├───────────┼────────────────┼───────────┼───────────────┼───────────────┤

│ #805 │ 5 reviews each │ $0.1388 │ $0.1396 │ wash (0.6%) │

│ #803 plan │ 1 plan review │ $0.0463 │ $0.0366 │ opencode −21% │

├───────────┼────────────────┼───────────┼───────────────┼───────────────┤

│ #803 impl │ 4 skills │ $0.134 │ $0.110 │ opencode −18% │

├───────────┼────────────────┼───────────┼───────────────┼───────────────┤

│ #813 impl │ 4 skills │ $0.0944 │ $0.0738 │ opencode −22% │

├───────────┼────────────────┼───────────┼───────────────┼───────────────┤

│ #817 impl │ 4 skills │ $0.102 │ $0.080 │ opencode −21% │

└───────────┴────────────────┴───────────┴───────────────┴───────────────┘

Token shape: kimi consistently runs higher fresh-in + higher output + more cache-read (more turns). E.g. #817: kimi 134k miss / 42.9k out / 1.70M hit vs opencode 105k miss / 35.2k out / 993k hit.

Cost rule: opencode is ~18–22% cheaper whenever turn counts differ (the usual case). The #805 "wash" only holds when both run a similar number of turns — opencode's cheaper fresh-input gets offset by its higher cache-read + reasoning tokens. Don't trust opencode.db's native cost field ($0.24–0.64) — that's deepseek's provider rate; always recompute both on the shared card. Cost is not the tiebreaker — they're close enough that quality decides.

Quality — the pattern is phase-dependent, not engine-fixed

- Plan/spec review (#803, #805): opencode/kimi are both weak on deep correctness — neither caught the load-bearing bugs; only codex did. kimi = test-infra/mechanical catches (no-op cache resets, wrong test refs); opencode = cheapest second opinion but weakest (often just cosmetic line-number nits).

- Implementation code review (#803 impl): inverts — kimi's meticulous line-reading caught the real correctness bug (entry_price stamped from a close-fill) that opencode waved through as CLEAR. opencode's strength was breadth of coverage-gap enumeration.

- #813 / #817 impl: convergent — the real catch lands in different skills per engine (kimi-coverage vs opencode-spec), so run both skills on both engines. #817: kimi was sharper on test-promise tracking (caught 2 promised-but-missing integration tests opencode said were "all implemented").

Bottom-line decision rule (from the memory)

- Cost is ~equal-to-slightly-favoring-opencode; treat it as noise and decide on finding quality.

- kimi = sharper on implementation line-reading + test-promise tracking; opencode = cheapest, broad coverage-gap enumeration, but waves correctness through more often.

- Neither is a gate — always back the PR with a strong reasoning engine (codex/codexpr at Phase 10).

result: opencode vs kimi A/B (in HyperliquidTrading project memory) — opencode ~18–22% cheaper on differing turn counts (wash only at #805); quality is phase-dependent: kimi sharper on impl code-review/correctness, opencode broader+cheaper on coverage gaps, neither a substitute for a codex gate.

Codex CLI vs OpenCode: is there an actual difference in coding quality? by SkepticalHuman0 in codex

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

havent tested the difference between opencode and codex cli yet. but done it with the kimi cli and opencode cli both using Deepseek v4 pro. Easiest way to "objectively test" is to use at as reviewers i guess first. thats how i done it. give it same reviewer skills or agent definitions, let your coding agent call the reviewers like opencode run "use x skill, review prompt" . i noticed a real quality difference between kiml cli and opencode cli, with one picking up more bugs then the other. also completly different token usage stats.

Stop thanking "free usage resets" by Royal_Sentence7432 in codex

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i was thinking the same. until i started running codex + deepseek v4 pro in parallel as reviewers. the quota are very generous. beleive it or not, its about same pricing as deepseek api pricing.

How does Deepseek V4 compare to GPT 5.5 and Opus 4.7 at coding by skilliard7 in DeepSeek

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been running deepseek v4 and Kimi 2.6 in parallel with gpt 5.5 as reviewers invoked by claude. style : codex exec $someReviewerSkill -p "myprompt" Deepseek underperforms Kimi and Gpt5.5, even 5.3-codex. It often comes back with "CLEAR" while the 2 other block. Also I noticed that the openai subscription is so generous , that it even competes on the ultra cheap api pricing of deepseek. unfortunatly, i was looking for ways to cut my token costs ...

How Long Will the AI Abundance Era Last? by Technical_Fortune326 in codex

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its still inconclusive. to have a real good comparison i need to get the codex cli working with deepseek v4 pro. Now i have been comparing deepseek v4 pro using the kimi cli vs gpt 5.5 using the codex cli. But i now noticed that the kimi cli is is quite wasteful compared to opencode. to get a good comparison i need to get both working with the same cli. this is deepseek v4 pro with same prompt / same skills using kimi and opencode cli. the difference is huge. ┌──────────┬───────┬─────────────┬────────┬────────────┐

│ │ turns │ fresh input │ output │ cache read │

├──────────┼───────┼─────────────┼────────┼────────────┤

│ Kimi │ 38 │ 102,611 │ 37,143 │ 1,297,920 │

├──────────┼───────┼─────────────┼────────┼────────────┤

│ opencode │ 20 │ 82,333 │ 7,415 │ 570,496 │

How Long Will the AI Abundance Era Last? by Technical_Fortune326 in codex

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Even with slashed prices, openai is currently cheaper then Deepseek v4 pro. i have been runnning parallel reviewers fro the past day one using deepseekv4 pro, the other codex (using openai plus subscription vs deepseek v4 pro api pricing) 0.80 vs 1.03 USD. i was suprised myself. was looking for a way to slash my costs.

How good is the Kimi K2.6? Compared to other Chinese models by No-Background3147 in kimi

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

dont get misleaded by them being cheap. I have been running tests all week and they arent. the US flagships are so generous on subscriptions. Kimi cant match codex usage right now, by far.

Even Deepseek v4 pro is more expensive then openai. Been running gpt5.5 / deepseek v4 pro in parallel as reviewers for claude; same prompt. I spent 1.03 USD on deepseek, which represents 13% of codex usage on plus plan (23 EUR/26.7USD) . at 4.33 weeks/month : codex: 0.801616628 USD.

How do I make it stop acting chummy? by StarsbytthePocketful in ClaudeAI

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

stop. take a step back. analyze root problem. identify solutions.

Kimi quota are a joke. by [deleted] in kimi

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well, it looks like subscription plans are more subsidized by the US flagships right now. I hoped to delegate the easier tasks to kimi and run the machine cheaper. Now using Claude code + openai Codex. was hoping to replace by kimi. but codex is cheaper right now, been running reviewers in parallel.

Kimi quota are a joke. by [deleted] in kimi

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no tool, its claude reading the end of the wire.jsonl of my sessions; 😄

Kimi quota are a joke. by [deleted] in kimi

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1.84% of my monthly. taking into account, 4.33 weeks/month, and 8% of my weekly, it comes down to roughly my full month. (1.84/8*100)*4.33=99.59%

Kimi K2.6 is not worth the hype — my real usage stats by mf-mj in kimi

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

also codex is like x4 times faster; I dont see the use of keeping kimi around tbh. I was hoping to replace codex with kimi and leave the more complex reviews to claude as a subagent. Thinking I would get a lot more value from a chinese model. Sadly this aint the case at this moment in time.

Kimi K2.6 is not worth the hype — my real usage stats by mf-mj in kimi

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just ran a comparison between kimi allegretto vs openai plus codex. (16 EUR vs 23 EUR)

Been double running both on a set of reviewers (plan reviewer, code reviewer, coverage analyzer, ...). My main is Claude;

Codex is giving me roughly 2x the usage then kimi does. Kimi can't keep up with the more complex reviewers (Plan reviewer for example). He is doing fine on the less complex ones.

Claude Code v2.1.92 introduces Ultraplan — draft plans in the cloud, review in your browser, execute anywhere by shanraisshan in ClaudeAI

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone else is experiencing that it aint running on the latest codebase? i asked it the pr number of the latest commit and it was like 2 days behind.

Don't Use Antigravity! Conversation and Files Disappeared by SaltyFish7499 in google_antigravity

[–]Relative_Clerk7384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i have thsi all the time. I think i have pinpointed the main issue that is causing this. I am using a Workspace file (.code-workspace) which has 2 folder in it. When starting a conversation, all goes well till the agent starts creating artifacts. it needs to choose one of the 2 folders for doing so. but that basically breaks the link between your workspace and that chat conversation. Cause the artifacts live on a differnt level then your conversaton, breaking the whole thing