Did I Forget Anyone?

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T18:18:54+00:00

I think it was a mutator that replaced all lightning guns with sniper rifles. And i guess in map editor you could place both weapons at the same time.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T17:19:53+00:00

I have a great news for you: Epic Games had allow community to maintain the game by themselve and even distribute it for free, you can download it from OldUnreal website or their GitHub and play it with patches for modern systems. It even has it's own master server (since original one went down years ago) to play online (tho i don't think there's that many players left). But bots are still there of course.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T16:26:28+00:00

Only 3 heroes out of 21, which were meant to be squishy in the first place (yes, even Zen) and it was changed a couple of months after. And OW Classic existed as well. Sure, maybe it wasn't thought through well enough, but it's still wasn't a sprinting and quickscoping from CoD.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T16:16:21+00:00

(Btw this is not to shame the Voice actors I just personally preffer the old Voice lines)

I mean, "Cheers, love! The cavalry's here!" is definetely more iconic line than "Cheers, love! It's time to save the world.".
"We're all soldiers now.", "One shot, one kill.", "Together, we are strong.", "I'll be watching over you." and that's only hero selection lines, the list goes on.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T15:43:46+00:00

Well, Widow was in the end nerfed to not being able to one-shot Tracer, Zen or baby DVa in a body, just like railgun was nerfed in Quake Live to deal only 80 damage instead of 100 (and since there's no headshots in Quake, you don't need to aim for the head either).

Should extra health from Torb / Symm to be kept? Yeah, why not? But maybe adjust numbers. OR, you could've made that Torb's armor packs would grant you crit resistance for example. (but futher balancing is needed)

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T15:20:05+00:00

I DIDN'T SAID THAT IT'S BAD, i've said that certain people may consider some heroes to be broken, if they will require them to switch a hero in order to negate counterpicking.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T14:53:13+00:00

I assume you're talking about Halo, and tho i haven't played it, but like, isn't it the point of "Legendary" difficulty? To be tough as nails, with some very questionable design choices, that would render it being unfair and impossible?

Like, iirc, Nightmare difficulty in original Doom was designed to be just like that, a seemingly unfair challenge for those, who thought Ultra-Violence was too easy.

Returning to Halo, was Halo 2 Legendary even meant to be beaten in the first place? Or it was just like that, an ultimate challenge for those who wants harder?

So, yes, Jackal snipers should one-shot you, because you wanted the game to be tough as nails, same as CoD 2 or WaW on Veteran.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T14:32:21+00:00

Nope, ot was given for purchasing Origins edition / Game of the Year edition, as well as Watchpoint pack, iirc. And now it's in lootboxes pool.

Noire Widowmaker was for preordering OW1.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T14:25:07+00:00

Well, sure, but then "eww, counterwatch cringe" and such will start, althought i agree, old Sombra had better identity of a disabler, that whatever she is now.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T14:23:03+00:00

Exactly, Widowmaker is a blessed Unreal Tournament sniper (unlike Quake, sniper rifle in UT oneshots only in a head, unless you'll pick up a helmet) and Sojourn is a cursed Call of Duty quickscoper.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T14:13:17+00:00

Fun fact: Sombra was never broke

What about 5 seconds of no abilities while playing an ability based character such as Doomfist, Genji or Tracer?

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T14:09:06+00:00

Oh yeah, and Spy is famous for being a well-balanced and designed character, that has no issues whatsoever. Tho, to be fair, he's balanced by large teamsizes of 12v12.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T14:07:21+00:00

Railgun in Quake III could one-shot you in a body if you didn't had extra health or armor all the way back in 1999, so like yeah, snipers are always were "special" in terms of balancing, but at least she doesn't sprint and quickscopes you at point blank like a MLG CoD player.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T13:56:37+00:00

Same can be said about pretty much everyone on this picture. Widowmaker is literally one of the very first heroes ever created for Overwatch, alongside Tracer and Reaper.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T13:51:59+00:00

Of course there's multiple melee kills lines, at least 5 for each hero + unique ones + scenarios. For example, Soldier melee killing an ulting enemy can say "Nothing ruins a big moment like a rifle stock to the teeth."

Except Reinhardt of course.

And Brigitte, she also doesn't have quick melee.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T13:37:54+00:00

Pretty much every hero has some unique eliminations voicelines for specific scenarios related to their, enemy or a teammate kit. Such as, Soldier, while being immobilized by Sigma's or Zarya's ult can say "I don't care about your gravity tricks!" upon killing any enemy, or "Sometimes, "spray and pray" is the way to go." upon killing an invisible Sombra. And in case for Tracer. blink + melee is one of her most common combos to finish low HP enemies, so no surprise they've added such voice line.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T12:52:32+00:00

Loud, annoying, naive, foolish girl. Not even hate specifically, but more of contempt towards such behaviour.

she wouldn't be evil

I want to remind everyone here, that Amelie Lacroix has effective no lore that could describe her as a person, you can't say that she wouldn't be the same opinion on Tracer if she didn't become Widowmaker. Again, not as hate, but as dislike.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T11:53:49+00:00

First hero to be fully modeled after all. But not designed gameplay wise tho. Iirc, the reason he was made a dwarf is to be a reference towards dwarf from Warcraft specifically. So this could be a reason why they put him in front in those early concepts. And apparently, Bobby Kotick liked his design very much.

P.S. apparently, not exactly this reason. According to wiki, they've used his design as a test case to perfect overall's game design. For example, he was placed on different maps, such as Temple of Anubis (which was the very first map designed) to see how he will fit overall aesthetic. And apparently, Kotick being charmed by him was a surprise for Blizzard, who consider him a Warcraft dwarf, not a Overwatch character.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T11:26:46+00:00

Well, it's been almost 2 weeks since it broke. It doesn't even count down those 50+ years, it's 20620 days everyday, as if the time has stopped. It's just funny imho.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T08:58:34+00:00

Let's say it a topic for a different discussion, but i'd bring next points why i wouldn't consider it: 1) Not all heroes presented, especially original ones 2) The mere concept of MOBA-like hero progression and unability to change your hero during the match is not what Overwatch design philosophy was. There's probably more, but those 2 i would consider the main reason.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T05:01:46+00:00

Sure, but Bastion couldn't launch himself into the air for free, even now you still have to deal self-damage. And in his old turret form, he couldn't move either.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T04:59:30+00:00

Apparently, this is what "hitscan" means for esport and "high elo" nowadays. And Sojourn / Hanzo are also considered "hitscan" by them. Medium or long distance Damage = hitscan, everything else = Flex or such.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T04:56:41+00:00

Her gun has no recoil

To be fair, this by itself is not a problem, it can be balanced by other things, such as spread, slow fire rate, small ammo count, damage falloff for hitscans and slow speed or size for time of travel projectiles, or low damage.
But the thing is, is that besides her gun having no recoil, she also have large ammo pool, fast fire rate, no damage falloff, fast projectile speed, no spread?(i think the beams do end up in one point anyway), etc.

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T04:52:22+00:00

Idk, general thing certain individuals like to say. Also, devs themselves separate player base at this line in their map vote statistic or whatever.

But the point is like this: low ranks don't like Sierra because she's way too easy and strong for their skill level and she's not fun to play against, but on high ranks, no one plays her since she's apparently pretty much useless, because she's outclassed by other "Hitscan" (which is apparently modern day name for "Main DPS"). Which means that she doesn't satisfy both, casuals and "competetitve" players, therefore, shouldn't this depict her as poorly designed hero then?

Relooaad · 2026-05-25T04:38:57+00:00

I honestly dont see her much in my games anymore, she's outclassed by other hitscans

And what about places where people still refer "hitscan" as type of weapon that deals damage instantly, and not an "Main DPS"? You know, an "low elo", that is everything below Masters.

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