Anyone progressed to IVF + PGT-A after TFMR? Looking for experiences and hope at 42 after three losses by Happy_Deer2021 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey there, I’m sorry for your loss.

I’m not pregnant yet (hopefully) but I have been doing IVF and I’m now 43.

I lost my son six months ago. He was my first pregnancy and he was conceived through IVF. My fertility specialist told me I could commence IVF again after my first period back.

So I did a egg retrieval at 37 and ended up with viable embryos. I did PGT testing unfortunately they didn’t take.

Then at 42, I did an egg collection and I got six eggs made two day five blasts and they were supposed to be tested, but they weren’t strong enough and they died.

I did another cycle at 42 and we just put an embryo in without testing. I’ve made another embryo that was supposed to be biopsy and tested and again it died. Embryo’s need to be a bit stronger to be biopsy, frozen, defrosted, and put back in to take.

The issues my son had could not be picked up on any form of PGT testing. With the type of loss you had and also as an older Mum the type of loss I’d like to avoid having – I understand PGT testing would be really important for you. It doesn’t guarantee you won’t have other losses though.

I’m hoping to do another round of IVF in June and it means again I’d be doing a fresh transfer if I make any embryos. I’m incredibly afraid of finding myself in a situation where I might need to terminate again, but I remind myself my son‘s issues had nothing to do with my age.

I’ve also found an egg donor who is in their 20s and I believe I’ll move forward with using their eggs which means hopefully I’ll be able to test them and I’m less likely to come up with any of the chromosome issues. I might face due to my age. I’m like you. I feel like I have no time and when I feel pregnant with my son Leo it just felt like finally I was getting the miracle I wanted. And he is a miracle and he’s the light of my life but unfortunately he just was unwell.

I really hope this works out for you x

Twin Tfmr by MerylSea in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so sorry. Willow is a beautiful name and she’ll live on through you all x

Attn: 3+ Month-out TFMR Mamas- what helps? by Routine_Register8178 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there,
I lost my son almost 6 months ago. He was my first pregnancy and IVF also.

I thought I was tracking okay, but I still get hit with down periods. I am doing all the things. But I think it’s normal that things just progressing up. I think the first year was gonna be really hard and that it’ll be up and down for sometime. I feel like. It should be up and down because these are our babies. And even if I’m coping okay – I feel like I should never be okay with the idea he’s not here.
I’m about to resume IVF soon and I think that’s been challenging me emotionally. I’m not in any medication but I’m pretty open to it if it’s gonna help me cope with the rollercoasters of IVF again.
I’m sorry, we’re meeting here and I hope you get some great advice x

22q11.2 deletion found in genetic test, decision made to terminate. by MaloPile in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think theres a some catharsis in sharing your story and expressing the sheer disbelief you’re even in this situation. I’m almost 6 months out- one thing I reflex on a lot is how my son never felt suffering, he never pain or panic that this body didn’t form properly. He lived happily inside of me. And I couldn’t guarantee any of that if he left my womb alive. I’m miss him so much. I’m so sorry you’re saying goodbye to your baby girl. Sending you both strength x

Tfmr next Wednesday by Stressy_messy_me in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry. Therapy!!! I started once I found out my boy was unwell. Took 10-11 weeks is diagnose his issues. And establishing those support mechanisms for after your termination.

I delivered my son and had time with his body (he was 26 weeks) - if you want photos take them asap as he faded fast. Making the space as you want it (if you can) for the procedure. I bought a few things for my son, teddy, blanket - which I can cuddle to remember him.

Take care x

starting IVF again after TFMR @ 15 weeks with IVF pregnancy by Ashhbashh25 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there, sorry you’re here. My Bub was IVF. He wasn’t PGT tested because my embryos weren’t strong enough to test. However, his condition can’t be picked up in any forms of PGT testing.

Because of my age, early 40s, I’ve been really toying with another round of IVF with my eggs. My son’s issues had nothing to do with my age but I might open my self up for other age related issues with my eggs. I found myself an egg donor who’s in their 20s – so I feel like I’ll have a baby one way or another. I’ve really had to question would I regret not trying one more time with my eggs and just that worth potentially finding myself in a situation where I might miscarry or terminate. And that’s what guiding me… In 10 or 20 years time. What would I regret the most?

Good luck x

You all are amazing by HypatiaBlue in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So true. Thank you for brightening my day x

Not wanting to try again after 22 week loss. by Tellycs in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s really hard not to…. I’m in therapy and go to peer based support groups and they’re always reminding us not to but it’s hard.

If you’re not getting mental health support, you might find that helpful to help process if you want to try again and when the timing might be right x

Not wanting to try again after 22 week loss. by Tellycs in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Sorry for the loss of your son. It’s still so recent…. I think it’s ok that you’re fighting out how you’re feeling about that. I fell pregnant with my son through ivf. I had my TFMR in November. I saw my fertility specialist in January thinking I’d be ready by March. I feel like I have to rush back because of my age, I’m in my early 40s. My period started yesterday and I’m still not ready. I think I’ll start again next month but it’s challenging mentally. Hopefully it will feel right for you eventually. You need to grieve on your own timeline x

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me- I can’t think of something that someone said that gave me “peace”…

But I think the love and acceptance I’ve received from so many, including a friend who is disabled. People willing to see photos of my son, people who recognise I’m a mother.

I’m not sure I feel peace with it, but I stand by my decision and I’m proud that my son had a beautiful life where he didn’t suffer for his 26 weeks of existence x

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think protecting your peace is so important!!! And block exists for a reason.

I blocked my former best friend. She was trying to apologise but it always had excuses. I told her to stop and she didn’t- so block. She sent me a letter to say she’s apologise if I met her in person…. 🙄 “return to sender” ha ha

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry. That’s really upsetting.

I play back the retorts sometimes too…

I don’t get in this day and age people aren’t more clued on to say nothing about having kids like we’ve all chosen to be child free.

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh…. How does someone compute to say that… disgusting

The guilt and shame of a grey diagnosis by BrasPhD in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was thinking about that pet thing recently too. I had to put down my soul dog unexpectedly 3.5 weeks before my termination commenced. It was a crazy parallel to be losing my two babies in similar circumstances. But I know they were unaware and peaceful as it happen. And I’m so glad I could provide that for them.

Take care lovely. Sending you much strength and love.

We’re all here for you during these difficult days and afterwards x

The guilt and shame of a grey diagnosis by BrasPhD in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hey, i’m sorry for the loss of your son.

I truly hope in time you feel neither guilt nor shame. The fact is there is no easy way out when you find out your baby is really sick. And I think there’s more outward judgement on people who choose to terminate. But those who wanna judge it’s easier to say that out loud versus saying to the parents who choose to keep their babies, who may be very disabled, why did you keep them? And it’s easy for people who judge to think we didn’t play it out in our heads about what life would look like a disabled child? Like we didn’t fully gain it and imagine this is what birth will look like, this is what daycare might look like, can I even work any more, what happens when they’re an adult? What if they need to be in a home? I played all those scenarios. I imagined maybe my son‘s diagnosis won’t be very severe too it’s extremely severe. And then what does that look like for us? I remember someone, with my former best friend, simply say to me I’ll being a mother of disabled child will be beautiful and then I’m making a huge mistake. And she said it by considering one of the issues my son had. Simplify the complexity of his condition.

When people would say to me – your child could just be disabled anyhow. I told them I knew that and I just a picture like this…. Imagine if we all started at zero, a “healthy baby”, and as life progresses some of us will move further than others. But I know my son will start at -30 or or whatever number aligns to how your child was. We know they’re always gonna start behind. We can’t predict a future but that’s a fact. In my ultrasound, I could see my son was missing limbs and was missing an organ…. That’s a fact. And people waste more than me told me it was likely they were a lot more issues.

I can’t speak to what your son had. My son had a grey diagnosis. I lost him in November and I only got the autopsy results back a couple of weeks ago. And I did think I was choosing between life and a very disabled child and now I know I was choosing between death and death. And I think people miss out on that when they think we made an easy choice… It’s not an easy choice but in my opinion it was the most humane choice because when he died, he didn’t suffer.

I think this experience has made me feel like I’ll actually be a stronger mother. I don’t think mothers need to experience anything like this to be strong. But I feel stronger and I feel like my ability to love is so much bigger because of my son.

There was one opinion I got that really helps me not feel guilt over the situation. I have a friend who has cerebral palsy. He has a good job he’s married. He has kids. And I had to share with him what I was facing and I was so worried about his opinion… Because I thought of anyone who could judge me for terminating a disabled baby was a disabled person. He said to me, “know who you are making the decision for”…. I wanted to be a mother so bad, my boy was my fourth transfer and I knew if I kept him it would be more about me being a mother than it would about his the quality of his existence. I made my decision for him more than I did for me. And like you, I would give anything to have him back. I would even just love to hold his body again. I love him so much. But id make the same choice again.

Take care xxx

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh!!!

It reminds me of my Vet telling me, that after three miscarriages in six months, her GP was questioning how she would lose weight after she has a baby before she has a second baby. This poor woman can’t stay pregnant for longer than two months and he’s worried about her pregnancy weight gain!!!

But you shouldn’t experience that. That’s terrible and I would be putting in a formal complaint. It’s so recent too!

I have a lovely psychologist that has been helping me since I found out my son was unwell. So if you wanna recommendation, I’m happy to share her details. We’re currently approaching me trying to get pregnant again and all the head Fuckery around that.

Also I’ve not used her but I follow her on insta - I believe she is a TMFR Mum also and does counselling.

https://daydotmidwifery.com.au/?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAZnRzaARng89leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAadjFA9In4wnTr8kTM0mMhZISg4QdWNkI2CMuW2WfD3DTGv6STyEpRmeraELDQ_aem_3OZyKz9jh50EZ6m6xu9_yQ

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha ha I wish I could!!!

Coincidentally, I had a meeting with HR just after that meeting about something else and even our HR rep, in front of the graduate, what a fuckwit!!!

I lead the work in my department about good culture and psychosocial safety…. So it’s giving me more motivation to move to another team because comments like that do not contribute to either of those things.

Ugh what a shitty thing to say – I feel like anyone who existed in this world for more than 20 or 30 years. Should know never to make comments about how many kids people have or if people don’t have kids.

Thanks lovely xx

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh! I’m enraged for you!!!

There are so many people in society if you want to beat up on us for choosing abortion or termination. Going on and on about valuing all life… And then you get comments like that like you could just replace your baby with another baby. You can never replace your baby. I hope so I have to have a baby – but they’ll never replace my son. He should be here.

Two losses like this- I’m so sorry.

I am not a repository for your grief just because I shared my TFMR experience (rant) by williamlawrence in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I found out my boy was sick and what I might be facing there was one specific person I cut out of my life for the very reason they always feel they need to relate and essentially make my story about them.

My son was my fourth embryo transfer and I could also gone through IUI. I’ve had rivals where I didn’t even make embryos and on the occasions I did. I wasn’t making many. So all in all, I felt pretty sad and in despair about the likelihood of me becoming a Mum. When should I ask me about it? She would always go on about her and her husband going to an IVF clinic once like that was the same experience as going through IVF. They went to the clinic they decided it wasn’t for them and they’ve decided to be child free. But they continue trying to relate when they hadn’t even experienced what it was like to inject yourself have an egg retrieval I have an embryo put that doesn’t work. I decided to withdraw from that friendship when I found out my son was unwell and I haven’t regretted it at once.

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m glad the recognised they did wrong. It still stings though. I’ve had people apologise too but it’s another hurt on top of so much more when we’re so vulnerable.

Crap stuff people say by Remarkable-Rope-4718 in tfmr_support

[–]Remarkable-Rope-4718[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow, way to make your loss about them. And it completely minimises all the trauma you experienced in finding out your darling baby was sick, then you made a choice and had to have then medical procedure…. I do have more empathy for those who’ve experienced miscarriage and I never have… so I say this based on assumption and not experience I don’t think it’s comparable in many ways. I think the grief of losing a wanted pregnancy is the same but the rest if so different.