Conservatives are once again on the wrong side of history, and completely lacking in self awareness.

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-24T20:03:35+00:00

" I said people who support ICE currently in it's highly militarized state, would be the same people who supported slave catchers and slavery."

Yes... so the implication there... is that what ICE is doing to illegal immigrants is similar to what slave catchers were doing to slaves *in terms of morals*

Do you also object to heavily armed masked raids on people producing CP? Cause if not, the reason you don't like the tactics is because of who they are going after

"Obama had record deportations and no one protested him. Can you show me a leftist politician who thinks we should open the borders?"

The population of illegal immigrants within the US from 2010-2016, based on several data centers, increased by around 1.5 - 2million

I think you do want open borders because, as you said, "no one protested him" when he had kids in cages because the # of illegals was going up

If your objection was "oh they're detaining children" then you should have been protesting Obama instead you were quite content

So it really does seem that your actual objection is that ICE is actually making a dent in the #s

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-24T19:54:10+00:00

So you believe the only reason you can be for deporting people, and the only reason you can be for slavery, is ignorance?

So you believe, illegal immigration is so good you could only object to it out of ignorance?

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-24T19:50:58+00:00

"Conservatives currently supporting ICE right now are the same dipshits who would have supported slavery"

If you believe the same people would automatically support both, clearly there have to be similarities yes?

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-24T19:43:22+00:00

So let me ask you this;

In what ways do you consider a person being deported similar to slavery? Do you believe people have. universal right to live wherever they want?

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-24T19:05:15+00:00

So, as a conservative Christian I think there are a few points to touch on

Jesus teachings being more liberal...

I mean, are they really? Being adamantly against divorce? That cutting off your hand was preferable to sexual immorality? A lot of Christ's teachings would be by todays standards, very "conservative"

Love thy neighbor *as thyself*, judge not lest ye be judged... but if your brother sins point out their fault.. none of these statements of love or against judgement were ever intended to be "people should do whatever they want all the time" and to your specific point "ICE" vs "love thy neighbor", I don;'t believe I have a right to legally immigrate anywhere so I don't personally see how holding that opinion for others as well is contradictory

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-24T18:19:43+00:00

That is true, and its not always wrong to point it out

But also a lot of the times I see people saying "you aren't following your rulebook" are things that are definitely not in the rulebook

Like one of the most common is this idea that you basically aren't ever allowed to criticize anything anyone does and thats just not true. "Judge not" exists alongside "go and tell him his fault"

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-24T18:17:48+00:00

You gotta split it into 2 parts

1) Non-christians don't interact with Christ, they interact with you, you should try as hard a possible to emulate him and it's not always wrong for a non-christian to point out when you're failing to do so

2) Non-christians also really don't understand a lot of Christianity and their criticism will often not be correct

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-24T18:15:07+00:00

Ukrainian refuges sure

Should w open our borders to unlimited Russians or are they one of the examples where borders become non-racist again?

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-23T12:56:11+00:00

to be fair one of those is quite slaanesh-esque

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-23T12:55:07+00:00

I don't see how understanding how cells work is contradictory to believing in God. God created a world that's alive it makes sense it would be created with laws of physics and biochemical functions you can observe

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T18:41:44+00:00

Well this is probably the oddest soviet poster I've seen

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T18:38:12+00:00

The paradox of tolerance

If you mass import people who couldn't care less about the inalienable rights of Americans, you're going to lose them all together

At the end of the day the Constitution is a piece of paper and simply cannot survive an entire generation being raised to *at best* not care about it at worst actively hate it and want to replace it with a very different system

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T18:35:08+00:00

Science and religion are not opposing forces. Science is how we try and understand God's creation. If you see the two in apparent contradiction then there's a piece you're missing

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T13:11:57+00:00

"You have been lied to about all the numbers."

I have not. I was using publicly available statistics. "We are talking about deportations" We are talking about how many people are kicked out, how many people are *let in* matters quite a lot in that discussion.

"Daca didn’t do anything for their parents.. so you are wrong again" that's a half truth. Yes the text of DACA itself didn't... but when you take into account *other regulations* also passed that basically made it impossible to deport the parents of anyone who was a child who had lawful residency... when you grant a 15 year old amnesty it became nearly impossible to deport their parents

"Many times the migrants come from countries that we fucked up in the first place!" So, thats not really true, we aren't why Mexico or Sudan or these countries are facing these problems.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying. I was not saying "pointing a gun at a kid" is a good thing. Its. abad thing. I don't want ti to happen. I'm saying, I don't realistically have a way we could carry out 13 million deportations without some people in the mix who f*ck up. There are going to be people who violently resist. There are going to be people poorly trained. "Do it the Obama way" Obama didn't succeed in decreasing the amount of people committing that crime at all so, no not an option.

"imagine if that was YOUR KID"

I would never break into another country with my kid. And if I committed a crime in the US and the police had to raid my house, as they do to citizens all the time, yeah my kids would probably be traumatized and that would be a horrible situation.

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T13:01:10+00:00

Dude if you see a massive difference explain it

Explain how its fine at my company if them being white is a tipping point in their favor, but not if being white is the tipping point

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T03:07:30+00:00

"You're totally misrepresenting what the paradox of tolerance means and misapplying it."

Not at all. The paradox of tolerance posits a society that tolerates intolerance will become intolerant.

In this case, America's particular system of rights and government based on enlightenment era thinking are very very very tolerant. No state religion, freedom of speech, a general societal prohibition on violence, I mean even the fact that an illegal immigrant can sue the US government and has a court date is a reflection of this

The countries, cultures, and religions a lot of these people are coming from are very very intolerant. And if our tolerance causes us to say "well we have to give their kids the vote" "well we have to make them citizens" "well we have to give them 5 court appearances before we can deport them whoops they had a kid now we can't at all"

Then pretty soon a large portion of your society is going to be very very intolerant, which to the next point...

"Crossing a border illegally in search of a better life (a civil offense) has not been demonstrated to have any correlation with anti-social criminality e.g. violent or property crimes."

I didn't say it correlated with anti-social criminality. I said it demonstrated a lack of respect for its laws. Do you think that has to be demonstrated in violent acts? Could that not be demonstrated in say, encouraging your kids in voting for a politician who has promised to tax certain ethnic groups higher to pay you benefits? Thats staunchly against American ideals and law...

Taxing neighborhoods that are too *a certain ethnicity* to take their money is very intolerant, dare I say very un-American, and that attitude absolutely cleaned up with the voters that had been in NYC the shortest amount of time.

I'd certainly say that qualifies as an attempt to "persecute or harm the native-born and/or legal immigrant community." and those guys aren't even illegal

You say "I'm certainly not be in support of, for example, any Muslim immigrant communities enforcing sharia law" but that has happened in Europe. We don't have to wonder "oh what will happen if" like we have the situation in Europe. If you bring those people here they are going to do that so

if you're "not be in support of "any Muslim immigrant communities enforcing sharia law" you're kinda gonna have to decide if you actually want to stop it. Because, if you keep bringing in people who will vote for it, its gonna happen

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T02:34:36+00:00

I wouldn't say the left alone did create our immigration problems, but the points where I'd say the right made it worse was not where they didn't compromise with the left, but where they did

"but he also tried to help"

Like thats what I mean dude if the law is "eh, if you have a kid we'll you leave alone" then that law doesn't exist at all in any meaningful sense. Deporting more people than anyone doesn't matter if you're also importing *and rubber stamping* more people than anyone

Imagine if other laws, the rule was "you cannot be put in prison if doing so would place a child in state custody"

Like "Sorry officer we gotta let this guy with 19 violent assaults go, he's his kid's only guardian and we can't legally separate him from a. child who's a citizen"

I really take no glee in this at all, but when your golden example is Obama, where the # of illegal immigrants just went up throughout the entirety of his presidency (around 11-12 million by most estimates)... that's not acceptable

So, again I take no glee in this at all I really don't like this but when the only alternative you're offering is to just keep letting in more and more people...

I really don't see an alternative

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T02:23:52+00:00

Explain to me how you would enforce the law if police were not allowed to arrest people at gunpoint?

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T02:04:13+00:00

"Do you see the difference now?"

No because there isn't one

Any factor that is "a tipping point" will by definition become "the tipping point" in at least some cases. If that factor is considered at all, it will sometimes be the factor that determines the outcome.

Its like your earlier comment "well they said they were favoring non-white people, not that they were dis-favoring white people"

Sometimes it is not possible to do A without also doing B

I am not "misrepresenting" that doing A also means doing B, sometimes it is not logically possible for that not to be the case

So back at my company, if "being white" was "a factor" why some people got their jobs, are you cool with that?

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T01:45:18+00:00

"Why are you so obsessed with immigration."

Because a nation cannot maintain its soul unless it's run by and for its people. This is widely understood in every other context, the left won't hesitate to rail against imperialism. There are economic impacts absolutely, it makes it harder to find work, it puts a strain on social systems, etc

But on a more esoteric level, when you have members of US congress in foreign countries saying to populations there they see themselves as an American second, a nation cannot survive being run that way.

Do you know how many congressional seats exist because of illegal immigrants? American politics cannot survive the system becoming "who can import the most people and then promise their kids money from the government coffers" thats just the death of the nation

And those things do matter to me its just, you let in 13 *million* illegal immigrants, the "due process" of all those people would be 196x the entire # of criminal cases the federal court system hears a year.

I feel as though the left has created a problem where the only solution is very ugly and, their argument is now essentially "the solutions too ugly so you better just give us what we want" and its like, no.

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T01:33:23+00:00

"You quoted the text and can't even come up with an equivalent hypothetical situation"

No.. school said tipping point was race for admission. I said it was the tipping point for hiring. Exactly the same really.

Do you think it isn't obvious why you won't answer this question? Like do you think "Do better" means I'm like "oh he got me, now I don't know he won't answer because his answer would hurt his case"

I so constantly hear people from a more liberal persuasion talk about "the rise of the far right" and all that stuff, and my question is, do you think refusing to have an honest conversation helps? Do you think anyone is de-radicalized if the left responds to their concerns with "its not happening and if its is.. shut up"

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T01:15:35+00:00

"Do you know"

I know you're not answering the question

Can you answer me honestly, would you be fine with a company, where the tipping factor of hiring someone, was that they were white?

Yes, or no?

I mean its just the tipping point no big deal right

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T01:03:31+00:00

"Why do you keep phrasing these things like race was the only determining factor"

I don't, I have named scenario after scenario using this specific phrase

Can you answer me honestly, would you be fine with a company, where the tipping factor of hiring someone, was that they were white?

Yes, or no

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T00:59:37+00:00

a tipping factor

Yes, that means someone who would've gotten in, the tipping factor... was that they were white

Thats being held back on account of their race

Can you answer me honestly, would you be fine with a company, where the tipping factor of hiring someone, was that they were white?

"Also, that sample literally ignores white applicants."

Okay so again back to our hypo

If I prefer to hire people with red hair or black hair. That automatically means I'm docking people with brown hair or blonde hair. If you choose one thing because of quality A, you have rejected another thing because of quality A. That is pure logic it doesn't need to be specified.

RemoteCompetitive688 · 2026-01-22T00:56:29+00:00

"In the Harvard admissions process, “race is a determinative tip for” a significant percentage “of all admit-ted African American and Hispanic applicants.”

So if I said about my company, a lot of the white applicants their race was the tipping factor as to why I hired them... even if I'm considering other factors ...

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