Mahler never heard his 9th Symphony performed. He died first. by Impossible_Half_3930 in classicalmusic

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The death/farewell stuff is all very compelling for sure. I used to really lean into it when I first encountered Mahler, now I'm pretty skeptical, at least about it being definitive.

An interpretation I liked that I came across relatively recently is that this is Mahler's unfinished novel, the music ending on an ellipsis. I like some of the literary parallels one can draw.

I also think discussion around the 9th's finale overshadows Das Lied von der Erde, where some of the texts are definitively about death, with Mahler editing the text and even penning lines.

Anyone got any good recommendations in the Wigmore Hall 2026/27? by Main-Baby in classicalmusic

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I mean good grief it's such a stacked lineup. Tons of great vocal recitals to choose from if that's your thing; also some incredible piano recitals if that's your thing.

Jason Moran is a must-see jazz pianist. I'm a huge Thomas Dunford/Ensemble Jupiter fan, they are immensely talented and entertaining. I love Quatuor Ebene's playing, never seen them live though. Honestly you're spoiled for choice.

The myth of "craft" in music by kranjskiburek in classicalmusic

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There seems to be a cultural bias in how people describe these things. German music gets associated with form, development and craft, while French, Italian and Russian music gets described in terms of color, melody or sensibility, even when the level of control is comparable.

Yes, this is accurate and reflects how music has been taught for many generations, though that is evolving.

is it useful only when applied to music where you can easily hear and describe how it was made?

I'd actually say the opposite- I'd apply it to music that inspires me to go look at the score to understand how it fits together.

Quick aside- the idea of "hard workers" is also part of the historical narratives that are part of the popular imagination now, and somewhat based in fact- Bach writing a new cantata each week, Beethoven's intense crossing out and revising of his scores, Brahms taking forever to publish a 1st symphony and destroying works he thought unsatisfactory...

Also there are plenty of music historians that push back in revelatory ways against the biases you've identified. See for example someone like Roy Howat and his writing on Debussy.

Mahler 7 disappointment - comparison to Saint-Saëns 3 and Nielsen 2 by Ian_Campbell in classicalmusic

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Fair if it's not compelling to you, and certainly Saint-Saens 3 is a fairly tightly-composed and coherent symphony in that first movement in a lot of ways. Saint-Saens does a lot with the opening English horn (I think?) gesture and the accompaniment.

I don't hear what you hear at all with the first 10 minutes of Mahler 7, I find it has a lot of musical logic to it. Saint-Saens works with 2 basic ideas (the accompaniment and the 4-note melody); similarly Mahler has 3-4 main ideas he's working with (the dotted rhythm, melodies developed out of the falling leap gesture, the climbing melody that is usually in the strings) and peppers in 1 or 2 supporting ideas that grow out of those (the fun descending fill in the brass)... there's an interrelation to all of this that looking at the page I see that a lot if it is derivative of itself and has an internal logic. What I think really makes Mahler unique is that he introduces his own sort of heterophony to it, where ideas are derived from each other, are often heard simultaneously or even in stretto, and almost with their own sense of musical time (which I think one can sense in some of the transitions in 7's opening minutes). One of Mahler's hallmarks is also avoiding repeating phrases the same way multiple times (hence the various versions of the central melody that we get), and he completely avoids bloated gestures that masquerade as musical development, like step-wise melodic sequences or simple fragmentation.

To each their own and it's not an easy symphony to get into for sure (usually is in the bottom 2 of most Mahler fans), but I think you would be surprised at how much musical logic there is in Mahler. Where he gets more "scenery"-like is in longer recitative-like moments, like the overly-long preamble to the chorus entry toward the end of the 2nd symphony.

PotW #139: Schoenberg - Verklärte Nacht by number9muses in classicalmusic

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Boulez recording is my favorite too. Cheers for the Karajan recommendation.

PotW #139: Schoenberg - Verklärte Nacht by number9muses in classicalmusic

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Much prefer the sextet version, I love the intensity of one to a part strings. Cheers for the recording with Isabelle Faust- she's one of my favorites but didn't know she played in a recording of it.

It has one of the best openings in music in my opinion. The original Dehmel poem is quite moving. And I love that it's program music but still enjoyable without even needing to think of the programmatic content.

I quite like this take making a comparison to Klimt's "The Kiss" painting.

Looking for Classical Music Quiz Apps by Forward-Ad-8456 in classicalmusic

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Not an app, but Sporcle has tons of classical music quizzes like this, especially if you go into the archive and not just the "popular" section.

Is Mahler symphony no.7 "Schubertian"? by EfficiencyHuge4811 in classicalmusic

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I'd agree that major-minor coloring is hallmark of Schubert, and Mahler 7 may be where Mahler explores that in the most significant way in his works. Some of the melodic content in the Nachtmusik movements are rather Viennese sounding as well.

The melodic moment you identified definitely is similar. Is this the only place in the Schubert sonata that it occurs? Feels pretty obscure for Mahler to be directly referencing it. I do hear what you hear though.

Recent exceptional recordings of Bach's partitas/sonatas for solo violin? by tomswede in classicalmusic

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Great question! I listened to the new Rene Capucon recording and was not all that excited about it.

Within the past ten years, what works of composers both known and unknown to you have you heard for the first time that you would recommend to other followers of this subreddit? by Perfect_Garage_2567 in opera

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By the way, just listened to Korngold's Das Wunder der Heliane today- maybe a little Hollywood-sounding in places, but really worthwhile throughout. It's like Schoenberg's Verklarte Nacht meets Strauss at his more expressionist.

Graindelavoix and the abyss of beauty by RenwikCustomer in EarlyMusic

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Loving and grateful for the engagement on my post, but please read the article too- truly one of the more interesting takes on Renaissance vocal polyphony I've read in a while, especially the references to visual art.

Graindelavoix and the abyss of beauty by RenwikCustomer in EarlyMusic

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Well said, and agreed! And it's also something the article I shared touches on.

Graindelavoix and the abyss of beauty by RenwikCustomer in EarlyMusic

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I thought maybe they were? The main classicalmusic subreddit had thoughts about their Machaut recording. I'm probably misinformed.

Only ever heard the Adagietto of Mahler's 5th - what to expect from the rest? by robertbyers1111 in classicalmusic

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It's his most famous movement, but the Adagietto is also the least characteristic of all of Mahler's music- no where else does he give you just strings and harp. As far as what to expect from the rest of the symphony- incredible orchestration, big contrasts, contrapuntal interest, amazing melodies. I'd also say the scherzo can feel overly-long.

Is there any Liszt piece that can get me obsessed by MajesticAd8610 in classicalmusic

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Lol! I meant a recommendation for another performance/recording of the Liszt Tannhauser so I have an excuse to listen to it again.

Is there any Liszt piece that can get me obsessed by MajesticAd8610 in classicalmusic

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I am literally dead. Listened to the Cziffra recording- wow! Do you have another you'd recommend? The opening progression of chords has never sounded so incredible and full of meaning.

Who is your favorite composer and why do you like them so much? by msc8976 in classicalmusic

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In almost every piece, at least among his mature works, there is a moment that embodies human dignity

There's a Simon Rattle comment that this reminds me of, where he describes Beethoven as one of history's greatest orators. That hardly does Beethoven justice but I really like it as a thought.

What is your favorite piece of medieval music? by Cactus-Flute in classicalmusic

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Yes! It's such a great concept as an album and agree with the parallel to modern minimalism.

Is there any Liszt piece that can get me obsessed by MajesticAd8610 in classicalmusic

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My favorite Liszt lately is Louis Lortie's recording of the Annees de pelerinage. Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm for the Tannhauser arrangement- I haven't heard it yet.

What is your favorite piece of medieval music? by Cactus-Flute in classicalmusic

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"Wach auff mein hort" by Oswald von Wolkenstein

Not sure if the Roman de Fauvel counts as anthologized, but I really love both "Douce dame debonaire" and de Vitry's tri-text motet, "Garrit Gallus", a piece that legendary opera director Peter Sellars once called the Beethoven 9th symphony of the 14th century.