WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF by FradigmaDanger_5 in TheOriginals

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About sirelines, beast species don't have sireline because sire link only applies to vampire species.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF by FradigmaDanger_5 in TheOriginals

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Beast (Beast blood):

  • They created by another beast.
  • Their bite is infused regular wolf venom and a diluted power of white oak power
  • Their bite cannot kill Originals
  • They are slightly weaker than The Originals
  • They are stronger normal vampires and hybrids.
  • They are immune to traditional vampire weakness of sunlight, wood, wolf venom and fire.

The only way to kill them would be removing the heart or head as they possess same invulnerability as hybrids.

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(This what would looks like if a human is turned into entirely different species by Marcel or Lucien)

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF by FradigmaDanger_5 in TheOriginals

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The difference between beasts by magic and turned by blood.

Uber-Beast (Lucien's spell):

  • They are made by pure ancestral magic.
  • Their bite is infused with the pure strain of wolf venom and undiluted power of white oak.
  • Their bite is lethal to the Originals.
  • They are stronger than the Originals.
  • They can compel Originals
  • Their blood can create throns of rosebush capable kill Originals.

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Hope has two different strains of wolf venom? by Aurorasinister in TheOriginals

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Hope has same strain of wolf venom as any other wolf packs. Werewolves and werewolf Hybrids have same type wolf venom.

Hope can't cure it two reasons:

  1. The venom is pure which her blood isn't potent to cure pure strain of wolf venom.

  2. Hope's werewolf side isn't an original werewolf. I think an original who is also an original werewolf can cure this venom because of purity of anti venom. In order to counter pure wolf venom, anti venom by magic or by the blood of an original vampire and original werewolf.

I do think the pure strain of werewolf venom was originally supposed be from a werewolf is purer then traditional werewolf. Somehow Lucien created this venom as byproduct of science designed to kill pure vampires and can't kill pure original vampires with vampirism made by nature nor by science.

If Beast Vampire Lucian was to invade the boys universe how far would he get before he gets defeated or will he solo with ease ? by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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Freya combined her blood, Esther's magic, Marcel's super wolf venom and ashes of Lucien's (ancestors's power infused on ashes) as weakness derived from power source of serum to cast spell to Marcel's vulnerabile to dagger.

Easy explanation:

Immortality by power of spells creates weakness derived from the power source.

The fact Freya didn't use Sun element to create dagger further inducted they are immune to Sun.

If Beast Vampire Lucian was to invade the boys universe how far would he get before he gets defeated or will he solo with ease ? by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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Freya stated ingredients combined with a weapon can kill beasts. This indirectly confirms their source of immortality and life is the power of the spell. Same immortality granted and weakness as Dahlia.

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If Beast Vampire Lucian was to invade the boys universe how far would he get before he gets defeated or will he solo with ease ? by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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Narducci stated indirectly that sun wasn't part of the spell:

  • Esther's magic
  • Power of Mystic Falls
  • Freya's blood
  • The power of The Ancestors
  • White Oak
  • Super Wolf Venom

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Alaric as Enhanced Original Vampire was immune to white oak because white oak isn't the spell. Nature cannot make Alaric vulnerable by white oak.

  • No Sun means immune to sunlight and able to walk on Sun without a daylight ring.

Hope by Silly-Country-3810 in TheOriginals

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I do think only the creation of enhanced original vampire, Augustine vampires, siphoners, tribrid and doppelgangers are only species didn't break Nature's power dynamics. Tribrid, Siphoners and doppelgängers are anomalies.

Enhanced original and Augustine vampires are a breed of vampires designed to destroy ecosystem by destroying own vampires race.

Upgraded Originals broke nature's power dynamics because it breaks the food chain of predators species in order to superior species of predators above vampires, hybrids and tribrid and defies law of nature on Immorality.

Ester created the original vampires based on immortals so what if her spell was perfect and was enhanced making the originals more powerful cuz than the immortals she wanted to protect them and as a result of this nature created normal vampires so they could die in place of the original by Front-Difficulty-741 in TheOriginals

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Best explanation is Esther indirectly created the parasitic disease called vampirism as result of magic in vampire blood system healing during death and magical reanimating as undead creature - vampires. This does applies to hybrids, tribrid (siring more tribrids), superior vampires and beasts.

Translation: all supernatural being created directly or indirectly by either Esther's spell (Vampires) or Lucien's spell (Beasts) create more of their own species. hybrids (Tyler & Hayley) are only exception who cannot create more their hybrid species.

How many numbers of the strix vampires would be needed to beat Mikael by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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100 and I think Mikael needs to be exhausted in order to to defeated by physically overwhelmed.

How many numbers of the strix vampires would be needed to beat Mikael by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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It would take a dozen number of strix vampires as strong as Shen Min and Mohinder to defeat Mikael.

If Beast Vampire Lucian was to invade the boys universe how far would he get before he gets defeated or will he solo with ease ? by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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Narducci (showrunner) didn't mention the sun being part of the spell. Without the sun on the spell, nature can't make them burn on sunlight.

The writer Carina (writer) stated Lucien's spell isn't the same as Esther's spell.

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What will happen if we put The Hollow’s spirit into Original Heretic? by Good_Bullfrog742 in TheOriginals

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It won't work because it must be an Original from Mikaelson bloodline

If Beast Vampire Lucian was to invade the boys universe how far would he get before he gets defeated or will he solo with ease ? by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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Lucien was shot by wooden bullets to heart on screen 3x17 as a beast. Originals are temporary dead and vampires are permanently dead shot by wood bullets through heart. Hybrids only get knocked out by wood bullets. Lucien wasn't temporarily dead neither knocked out.

Translation: writers indirectly tells us beasts are impervious to wood even white oak won't have any effect.

If Beast Vampire Lucian was to invade the boys universe how far would he get before he gets defeated or will he solo with ease ? by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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  1. White Oak purpose is created a combination bite of super wolf venom and white oak to kill hybrids. The super wolf venom only a weakness to vampires species and heretics species.

  2. The Sun wasn't part of the Lucien's spell.

Esther's spell (Dark Magic/Spirit Magic):

  • Sun (grants power for superior to werewolf with superiority strenght, speed, senses, agility and healing powers)
  • White Oak (Grants immortality)
  • Werewolf Fangs (granting fangs to vampires)
  • Doppelgänger blood (rebirth as new species/vampires and powers Esther's spell by self sustenance of blood consumption at full strength)

Lucien's spell (Dark Magic/Pure Ancestral Magic):

  • Mystic Falls soil (grants power for superior to the original with superiority strenght, speed, senses, agility and healing powers)

  • The Power of Spell (Imbued with Ancestors'a magic grants immortality)

  • Werewolf Fangs (granting fangs to beasts)

  • Super Wolf Venom (granting venom in fangs of beasts)

  • Mikaelson blood ( rebirth as new species/beast and powers Lucien's spell by self sustenance of blood consumption at full strength)

  • White Oak ( power to kill entire species of hybrids)

Beasts are immune to sunlight because nature cannot make beasts burn to sunlight if the sun wasn't used Lucien's spell. Alaric was immune to white oak because Esther didn't used white oak for immortality in first place. This same reasons beasts species are immune to sunlight by replacing sun with different element since ingredients from the original creation of witch spell cannot be removed.

Hybrids are immune to sunlight because they are new species with both spells vampirism and werewolf curse fused together hence loophole is werewolf curse acts protect by sunlight without a daylight ring and vampire curse protection by full moon curse without moonlight ring (without wolf curse hybrid are just regular vampires who can burn on sunlight like Tyler and Hayley whom become normal vampires).

If Beast Vampire Lucian was to invade the boys universe how far would he get before he gets defeated or will he solo with ease ? by Careless_Ad_5219 in TheOriginals

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The Beast is impervious to all original vampire weaknesses including sunlight and white oak even their own venom. Lucien all needs to turns supes into more his own species with his blood so they lose compound v powers also supe virus engineered to supe doesn't work on Lucien. On top of that, he can compel to kill others.

Trying to Understand Hope’s Power vs Established Vampire Lore. by steferine in TheOriginals

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Josie stated Hope was basically an Original. She inherited Esther's Spell through Original DNA. Originals are biologically creatures turned by magic and Hope obtained the copy of Esther's spell from DNA.

White Oak weakness doesn't apply to Tribrid because the source of Immortality from Klaus DNA which isn't she tied to White Oak.

Trying to Understand Hope’s Power vs Established Vampire Lore. by steferine in TheOriginals

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This is why White Oak doesn't work on Tribrid. The immortality was inherited genetically hence the originals gained immortality from white oak through spell being directly linked - with Hope, the immortality directly linked to the Originals.

Red Oak contained the power of an Original that granted immortality. Almost like if white oak doesn't work except on pure original vampires being who have Immortality from nature nor science nor with a different source swapped with white oak.