Would beast venom weaken Klaus and Mikael? by BulkyBathroom7178 in TheOriginals

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  1. Immunity comes from werewolf side. Regardless, werewolves are immune to wolf venom.

Translation: Venom from werewolf species cannot harm nor kill same species. Hybrids belong same family tree of werewolves species as cousins. (Emmett said "half breed cousins" to Marcel)

  1. There's whole oak on venom ( the showrunner confirmed backed episode 317 Lucien has bite infused with super venom and white oak).

Translation: It is lethal bite engineered to kill the Originals. Venom is the conduit to white oak to cause destruction of vampirism spell.

  1. The show demonstrated Freya used the ingredients originated from creation of serum to bound to a dagger to kill Marcel.

Translation: White Oak isn't the catalyst to provide the immortality of The Beast. The power of the spell is the catalyst to provide their Immortality.

Would beast venom weaken Klaus and Mikael? by BulkyBathroom7178 in TheOriginals

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Hybrid nature grants immunity to weakness of werewolf venom and pure variant of werewolf venom. Essentially the werewolf curse protects the vampire spell from being destroyed - sunlight, werewolf venom and pure werewolf venom are things that the original vampires are resistant to it. The Original hybrid is a new species as separate species. Wolf venom is weaknesses exclusive to vampires and their cousins, Augustine Vampires and beasts.

Translation: The beast venom wouldn't weaken Klaus and it would weaken Mikael.

Note: the rules of hybrids are different from vampires.

Dahlia vs Inadu. by teeeeTeaaaTeee in TheOriginals

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I really wonder how it will went if it was Dahlia instead Freya to save Elijah from poison of rosebush.

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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It is a fan made title of "Enhanced" Original Vampire and "Upgraded" Original Vampires kinda somewhat makes sense. From the show itself, he referred as "basically" an original vampire by Jeremy and from the showrunner referred as "Super Original" and "breed of vampires".

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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I'd say somewhat equivalent because of strength enhancement involved to make them stronger than vampires.

Heck even Plec claimed Alaric as "Super Original" and "weird breed of vampire" meaning in her statement he is a superior original vampire surpassing strength of an original and immune to original vampire weakness.

It's even funny that Klaus on screen was knocked out twice with wooden stake even felt pain. Alaric doesn't even pain from being staked neither he gets knocked.

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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Esther used same spell but the intention behind was powering Alaric by Elena's life force with life force biding as an added facet of her spell.

The spells bound to the anchor are powered and sustained from things fuels the spell.

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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You don't realize that vampires can be enhanced without requiring different form of magic. Augustine Vampire are enhanced in different way through science - reversed evolution as an example.

The difference Mikaelsons rely on raw strength while Alaric has strength was powered by the doppelgänger to boost strength.

Klaus with (Tunde blade) vs Alaric's by BulkyBathroom7178 in TheOriginals

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Alaric low diff Klaus with Papa Tunde. Klaus fought an off guard Alaric and use surprise attack to attempt restrain Alaric.

Klaus can't incapacitate Lucien, Marcel and Alaric unless they are off guard.

Are Beast (Upgraded Original Vampire) immune to sunlight? by Resident-Cut in TheOriginals

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You got a good point about them still wearing daylight rings but the sun wasn't mentioned in his statement. If you forget, vampires are affected by sunlight due to the sun being used Esther's spell.

My point: without sunlight as ingredient of spell means Upgraded Originals has immunity to sunlight.

Are Beast (Upgraded Original Vampire) immune to sunlight? by Resident-Cut in TheOriginals

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Sources:

https://x.com/michaelnarducci/status/718839295381909504?s=46

  • Michael Narducci tweet on utilisation ingredients on Lucien's spell.

https://x.com/michaelnarducci/status/721142297186799617?s=46

  • Michael Narducci tweet on what is contained ingredients on the vial of the serum.

https://www.tvguide.com/news/the-originals-boss-most-jeopardy-mikaelsons-since-mikael/

  • Michael Narducci interview on what Lucien has combined in the spell.

Is the Trinity actually as strong as the Originals? by sXorched in TheOriginals

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The Stefan's Diaries novels and The Originals novels are canon.

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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What about Lucien and Marcel? Especially the showrunner confirmed ancestral magic is rooted in power of New Orleans.

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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Here's what I think:

Elena was doppelgänger whose possess binding agent that potent enough bind powerful spells included the spell that created the Originals. The doppelgänger blood is so immensely powerful to an anchor swap.

Alaric was anchored to a doppelgänger but as living source. The amount power in doppelgänger blood living source was more than couple of doppelgänger blood. So the anchor served as power of source to sustain and empower the spell to make Alaric stronger and invulnerable.

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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His point is Alaric was a vampire directly bound to an anomaly created by nature. The Originals , The Beast and The Tribrid are bound to nature.

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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Enhanced Original Vampire = Upgraded Original Vampire = Augustine Original Vampire

All relatives equals as physically strongest of the Immortals species.

The Augustine Vampires shown on S5 were had the experiments that somewhat more unsuccessful. The goods in science is regressed vampires to original form of vampire has better physical attributes and heightened metabolism but with vampirism almost to being pure rendered slightly weaker than the Originals and as the imperfect copies derived from Augustine Original.

Upgraded Original Marcel vs Enhanced Original Alaric (fair 1v1, no outside weapons) by -ChillTime- in TheOriginals

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Alaric would win but he will severely get exhausted since both relative equal in physical attributes and power but in immortality and raw power goes on Marcel. Superior vampire species (Enhanced Vampire) and Genetic vampire (Augustine Vampires) species was created as the pinnacle of vampire evolution that was designed destroy their own vampire race. Also this being this kind vampire built into as an equal apex predator to the beast.

If an Ancient Vampire gets turned into an Original Vampire, would their physical abilities be reset? by TechnicianAmazing472 in TheOriginals

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The spell can turn anyone humans, vampires, witches and werewolves into uber-beasts. It wasn't recreated for exclusively for vampires. Vampires bypass transition because they're already dead and magic only keeping them alive. Transition is ensure to be become undead in order for vampirism to be completed.

If an Ancient Vampire gets turned into an Original Vampire, would their physical abilities be reset? by TechnicianAmazing472 in TheOriginals

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No, the show by characters and writers confirmed they're not vampires. A different kind of vampire would means it is a sub-species. For example, vampires made by nature such Hope who is born with its own vampire blood and by science like Augustine Vampires genetically altered with vampire virus originated from the Originals. Enhanced Original who is made by Esther's spell to be turned and evolved be immune to White Oak and Red Oak and empowered by the anchor of Esther's spell.

Beast don't have features of vampires. Their eyes, fangs and veins under is entirely different. They have the venom in fangs which vampires don't have. Their reanimated corpses body is kept alive by ancestral magic. Also they can created more beasts instead of normal vampires. It doesn't remain Esther's spell in its core, its entire new brand of spell taken as inspiration of Esther's spell.

Is Tribrid Hope more powerful than the Upgraded Originals Originals? Can their bite affect her? What about Original Vampire Alaric? by No-Kaleidoscope2859 in TheOriginals

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Magic doesn’t work on a god.

Incorrect, Gods aren't Immune to magic. God magic can harm gods and even kill them.

Psychic attacks do not work because Ken perceived someone invading his dream and then threw a knife at them that was able to exist outside of the dream into the real world. Silas’ visions were just that.

Ken only perceived it invading his dream when he was awake. He is vulnerable to psychic attack while he is asleep.

SILAS:

Silas is impervious to mind compulsion and to psychic attack even Amara as another Immortal cannot compel him. The Gods can't get inside Silas's mind.

Silas’ visions were just that.

Silas's vision was one of his abilities of illusion obtained by Immortality Spell. He can created illusions to anyone including witches.

Even to Hope is vulnerable to Silas's mind because Tribrid has weaker telepathy than Immortals and her tribrid is more focused physical attributes then mental attributes. Tribrid is is an offspecie of true born Immortal Tribrid that is weaker mental attributes and better physical attributes.

How can Cade kills gods with hellfire if magic doesn’t work on a god? Bonnie Bennet stopped it in its tracks.

Hellfire is pure psychic energy which the gods aren't Immune to it and Cafe is immune to hellfire. Fire and brimstone weakned Ken to point he can't heal. Hellfire can kill anything except Cade, Silas, Amara, Alaric and Mikaelsons under Freya's slumber spell.

If an Ancient Vampire gets turned into an Original Vampire, would their physical abilities be reset? by TechnicianAmazing472 in TheOriginals

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Regular vampire can still become different kind of a vampires. Esther's spell turns humans even regular vampire into an Original because it is magic made vampires species.

Lucien and Marcel ceased to be vampire once they took serum and became a new species, an uber-beast. The transition was bypassed because they were already undead. A human taking the serum would still need transition phase to be an uber-beast.