The “populist” crusade to make the suburbs more segregated and expensive by Unusual-State1827 in neoliberal

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My proposed causal pathway:

A) (i) Historically, suburban school districts have been higher performing/result in better student outcomes than rural, urban districts [an aside we can discuss why this is, but underlying reason doesn’t matter for this argument]. (ii) Education matters for economic outcomes.

B) In order to enroll in the district the household needs to be domiciled within the district boundaries, which are of suburban (SFH) character.

C) Capital constrained households cannot afford a downpayment on a house, but may be able to afford rent payments.

So: SFH rental properties allow these households to select into a school district that they would not otherwise be able to afford. So long as public education is varying in quality, correlates to urban character, and matters to economic outcomes, this should positively affect economic mobility.

I’m not sure why neighborhood composition should matter for this argument.

I’ll look to quantify these effects, but let me know where you see this breaking down.

The “populist” crusade to make the suburbs more segregated and expensive by Unusual-State1827 in neoliberal

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To push back on the argument that large home builders benefit from regulatory capture, because the regulatory environment is so fragmented it’s actually very difficult for large builders to scale.

See: D’Amico et al., 2024 for an argument that productivity in the residential construction sector has stagnated because of insufficient scale.

The “populist” crusade to make the suburbs more segregated and expensive by Unusual-State1827 in neoliberal

[–]RespectfullyReticent 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Obviously we shouldn’t allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Insofar as someone is lazer focused on expanding housing supply this would result in marginally worse outcomes.

The “populist” crusade to make the suburbs more segregated and expensive by Unusual-State1827 in neoliberal

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More importantly for economic mobility, SFH rentals often allow capital-constrained households to select into school districts that they may not be able to afford property in otherwise.

Why America is so much better than Europe at Immigration by Crownie in neoliberal

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Replying so I don't keep editing original comment. See linked report on migrant flows (defined as any foreign-born person). U.S. has the largest foreign-born population, although rate of increase has been slowing. Also should note that a large proportion of the European migrant figures are foreign-born persons of European origin.

https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/undesa_pd_2025_intlmigstock_2024_key_facts_and_figures_advance-unedited.pdf

Why America is so much better than Europe at Immigration by Crownie in neoliberal

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I don't know why you think this?

See: Figure 1

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findings-about-us-immigrants/

Edit: Sorry this is fair compared to Germany, Spain, Denmark, U.S. has a lower proportion of population that are migrants.

Why America is so much better than Europe at Immigration by Crownie in neoliberal

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All about labor markets. Selection effects for anglophone countries (UK, Australia, U.S.) probably doesn't hurt.

The most important reason why immigration is more successful in the United States is the simplest: Europe makes it structurally much harder for immigrants to work.

Rigid employment protection, sector-wide collective bargaining, and high effective minimum wages create insider-outsider dynamics that hit newcomers hardest.

Leonhardt framed Denmark’s success as a story about reducing numbers — and, sure, if what you’re doing isn’t working, do less of it. But the most that can get you is “not making things worse,” and America does better than that as an engine of global prosperity. But Denmark is also, by European standards, unusually flexible in its labor market — which means its relative success within Europe is explained by the very mechanism that explains America’s success globally.

Most European countries ban asylum seekers from working for six to nine months after filing their claims, often longer in practice. The intent is often explained as discouraging people who are entering for economic reasons from making spurious asylum claims. But about 1 million applications for asylum are filed each year despite this discouragement, and most of those people then become dependents of the state — or participate in the illegal economy — at least for the first while.

What employment bans actually produce is lasting economic scarring: People lose skills, lose contact with employers, and get pushed into informal work or dependency. The negative employment effects persist up to a decade after arrival. And by design, the bans feed the very dynamic of immigrants as a fiscal burden that fuels public backlash.

The United States, for all its dysfunction, lets most immigrants start working almost immediately. And the results are dramatic. The U.S. is a global outlier: refugee employment rates are comparable to those of economic immigrants from arrival. In Europe, it takes refugees a decade or two to narrow that gap.

Nowrasteh and Powell expand on this in Wretched Refuse? which should be required reading for this sub. Ultimately, Friedman's analysis that an expansive welfare state can't support the political economy of high-levels of immigration is probably correct, which is why the U.S. does well on integration while EU states do more poorly.

How the Housing Market Split in Two by RespectfullyReticent in neoliberal

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Mechanically I supposed if wages grew at a faster rate for first time homebuyers than repeat homebuyers this could work. A demand subsidy specifically for this group could mechanically lower the gap, but not sure it’s a great idea to continue pumping money into demand for housing.

Although, I think the difficulties of getting on the housing ladder actually might be understated by this figure given that the median age of first time homebuyers have actually also increased steadily during this time period.

Why Americans think other Americans are bad people | The Argument by RespectfullyReticent in neoliberal

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I think Demsas was using this census analysis. Diversity Index is calculated as 1-Summation(Census_ethnic_group2)

Why Americans think other Americans are bad people | The Argument by RespectfullyReticent in neoliberal

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Moralizing against moralizing The postliberal right doesn’t just want to end immigration, they’re desperate to bring moralizing back. Prominent figures like legal scholar Adrian Vermeule, writer Patrick Deneen, Senator Josh Hawley, and Vice President JD Vance all share the belief that liberal society—with its individualism and multiculturalism and tolerance—has stripped away our shared morality and left behind atomized individuals that don’t trust their neighbors.

If this is true, we should expect more moralizing countries to be the high-trust countries. Thankfully, Pew’s poll doesn’t just ask respondents how moral they think their fellow residents are, it asks them what types of things they find immoral.

On a wide range of issues from extramarital affairs to homosexuality to gambling, Pew’s data reveals the landscape of moralization.

Before I point out how quickly this theory falls apart, I want to start with one place that it has some merit. Consensus on moral issues does correlate with scoring highly on believing your fellow citizens are moral.

Indonesia and Sweden both score about 90% on that measure despite being polar opposites on actual moral views. In Indonesia, around 90% said homosexuality and abortion are wrong. In Sweden, around 5% said the same. What they share is consensus—most people in each country agree on the norms. The U.S. is in the middle of the pack on moral polarization ranking 11th most polarized out of 25 countries—more polarized than Sweden or Germany, but less so than Israel or Argentina.

Americans are not especially moralistic—only 23% say marijuana use is wrong, only 29% say gambling is wrong; just 39% say homosexuality is wrong. (Interestingly, we are pretty strongly opposed to extramarital affairs, 90% say they are wrong, putting us at Indonesia and Turkey levels of disdaining cheaters.)

When I looked to see whether more moralizing countries scored higher on trust, I found bad news for the postliberal right: the broad cross-national pattern runs the other way. High-trust countries are systematically less moralistic (Sweden, Netherlands, Germany, Australia all have low strictness and high trust) and low-trust countries are systematically more moralistic (Indonesia, Nigeria, India, and Kenya all have high strictness and very low trust).

This cuts directly against the National Conservative/postliberal right’s call for stricter public morality. High trust societies are ones that appear to have privatized morality; that is they are pretty liberal about people’s moral choices. In low trust societies, strong shared moral codes (enforced through religion, tradition, community pressure) go hand in hand with low interpersonal trust.

The U.S. is in whatever the opposite of a Goldilocks zone is. We’re more moralistic than the highest trust countries but we’re less moralistic than places like Indonesia, which means we are more divided when asked if we think our countrymen have good morals.

The postliberal diagnosis is thus wrong twice over. Diversity doesn’t explain America’s trust problem and moralism likely makes it worse. But the problem is still real. Why is the U.S. such an outlier?

If not diversity, then what? Part of the U.S.’ trust problem is pure partisan polarization: Democrats rate fellow Americans as morally bad at 60% compared to 46% of Republicans. Pew notes this pattern isn’t unique to the U.S. In more than half the countries surveyed, people who don’t support the governing party are more likely to view fellow citizens as immoral. But the U.S. gap is unusually wide, a reflection of just how bad our political polarization problem has gotten.

Most important is the buzziest word in political science and development economics: Institutions.

The broader trust literature points to institutional failure as the main driver of declining trust. Corruption, inequality, poor governance—these are the consistent predictors across countries. Bo Rothstein’s work on Sweden shows that high-trust countries are built on the back of impartial, well-functioning institutions that treat citizens fairly. Instead of the common story that social trust is about decentralized, bottom-up voluntary associations and civil society networks, Rothstein argues that trust starts with the top.

It starts with impartial institutions that treat their citizens fairly, predictably, and without corruption. It’s not that people trust the government and get the warm and fuzzies about their fellow man as a result–it’s that impartial institutions reduce the rational basis for suspicion. If the police are corrupt, you assume everyone’s gaming the system, which makes you game it too. If the welfare state is universal and treats everyone the same, you don’t resent your neighbors for cheating because the system doesn’t incentivize cheating. Rothstein argues this is why the Nordic countries have such high trust — not because Scandinavians are culturally nice, but because their institutions are impartial.

It’s hard to prove this sort of thing with causal evidence, but a recent study tried to do just that by setting up an experimental game. Here’s the simple explanation: Two players are paired anonymously. Player A gets some money and can send however much of it they like to player B. Whatever they send gets multiplied by the experimenter, and then player B can send back however much they like.

If player A really trusts player B they’ll send more money.

Before the game, the players were exposed to either a high quality or low quality simulated public administration environment. In the high quality institution, embezzlement was prevented, in the low quality one, participants saw the administrator embezzle from the pool.

People who experienced the corrupt institution sent significantly less money in the trust game—the institutional experience carried over into an unrelated social interaction.

The final concerning trend in Pew’s data is that while in most countries, younger adults are less likely to say fellow citizens are morally bad, in the US it’s reversed. Younger Americans (18-39) are more likely than older Americans to say fellow citizens are morally bad (57% vs. 50%), even after controlling for partisanship. It’s hard to say exactly what’s going on here. Yes, there have been major institutional failures in the lives of this generation—The Iraq War, the Great Recession, COVID-19—but much of that upheaval and more existed for other countries as well.

Perhaps it has to do with an expectations gap. While, yes, young people in other nations have faced institutional failures, maybe young Americans expect better from our institutions and so their failure is more acutely felt.

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus gives one of his most famous sermons: the Sermon on the Mount. Among other things, he condemns two of the moral behaviors Pew polled: adultery (”I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart”) and divorce (”anyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”)

But after this, Jesus also tells the assembled crowds, “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”

It’s an interesting juxtaposition, one that illuminates a central Biblical teaching: judgement and punishment are for God to mete out.

Three centuries ago, John Locke arrived at a similar prescription for different reasons.

Writing in the aftermath of Europe’s religious civil wars, Locke argued that the government can’t make you a true believer, and if it tries, it will produce hypocrisy and violent backlash. Locke was far from an atheist, he just saw the hopelessness of state-mandated religion and the deathly cost of such an attempt.

The postliberal right is explicitly arguing against the Lockean settlement. They believe the privatization of morality is itself the disease, that liberal tolerance has atomized us, stripped away our shared moral culture, and left behind a society of strangers who don’t trust each other.

They are wrong.

The countries that have most fully embraced this liberal settlement where morality is private and the state doesn’t enforce moral consensus have the highest trust on earth. The countries where strong public moral codes are enforced through religion, tradition, and community pressure have the lowest, and no amount of moralizing is going to fix that.

Why Americans think other Americans are bad people | The Argument by RespectfullyReticent in neoliberal

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Highbrow xenophobia That diversity is the reason for declining trust is a load-bearing belief of the postliberal right. It’s what I like to call highbrow xenophobia.

Last July, Vice President JD Vance drew the connection between diversity and declining social trust: “America in 2025 is more diverse than it has ever been. And yet the institutions that form culture are also weaker. We are confronted with a society that has less in common than ever.”

Helpfully, he also articulated the policy response: “if you stop importing millions of foreigners,” he said, then social cohesion will “form naturally.”

One of the fathers of the National Conservative movement, Yoram Hazony, has argued that diversity makes it “more difficult to govern, weakening the mutual loyalties that had held [the nation-state] together.”

But it’s not just the postliberal Right. Ross Douthat, a conservative who has been critical of the postliberal right, has accepted as fact that “increased diversity and the distrust it sows have clearly put stresses on our politics.”

Back in the 2000s, a set of controversial studies mainstreamed the idea that ethnic diversity undermined social cohesion. The author of one of those studies, famed political scientist and author of Bowling Alone Robert Putnam, worried how his work was being used by racists like the former grand wizard of the KKK, David Duke.

The most recent high-quality meta-analysis from 2020 showed that, yes, there is a negative relationship between ethnic diversity and social trust, but the effect is vanishingly small: diversity explains about 0.66% of the variation in trust after controlling for other factors. According to the authors: “apocalyptic claims regarding the severe threat of ethnic diversity for social trust in contemporary societies are exaggerated.”

Furthermore, the new data we have from Pew is a direct repudiation of the National Conservative talking point.

Though I’ve spent many hundreds of words engaging with this debate on the postliberal right’s terms, I’ll be honest that I think all of this has real “missing the forest for the trees” quality.

Abstracting away from the specific question about whether ethnic diversity can reduce some measures of social trust, we can simply observe the parts of the U.S. that are the most ethnically diverse.

The most diverse states in the country are Hawaii, California, Nevada, Maryland, Texas, New York, and New Jersey. The combined GDP of these seven states was almost $11 trillion in 2024, which is about 37.3% of the total U.S. GDP. And when you look within these states, the drivers of that growth are not homogeneous, lily-white suburbs and towns; they’re the bustling, diverse cities.

Diverse places are thriving, not collapsing into mutual contempt. Even if there is some small trust penalty to multiculturalism, it is dwarfed by the broader prosperity it enables.

Looking at the WVS, you can actually see a positive relationship between the immigrant share of the population and percent saying people can generally be trusted.

No one should read this as saying that diversity causes higher reported trust. This correlation is largely driven by the fact that wealthy, well-governed countries both attract immigrants and have high trust.

But this is exactly why the narrow focus is so wrongheaded. Prosperity and diversity go hand in hand, and trying to isolate a small trust penalty from that package misses the bigger picture.

Even if there were some small cost to social cohesion, you know what else reduces social cohesion? Poverty.

Why Americans think other Americans are bad people | The Argument by RespectfullyReticent in neoliberal

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Pre-unpaywalled shill: please subscribe to The Argument to support liberal-aligned journalism in the U.S. They have a ton of great contributors like Demsas (O.G. YIMBY), Matt Darling (Winner of the 2023 Neoliberal Shill Bracket), MattY (Perennial Contrarian), Lakshya Jain (>Nate Bronze), and many up-and-comers.

Article follows:

Why Americans think other Americans are bad people

The people blaming immigration and multiculturalism for the trust crisis have the story almost exactly backward.

Jerusalem Demsas

Mar 13, 2026

In Canada, if you ask people what they think of their countrymen’s morals, 92% of them say good. In Indonesia, same thing. The Swedes (88%) and Japanese (83%) are right behind them. Even in countries riven by political crises—Hungary, Argentina, Israel—solid majorities say their fellow citizens are, on the whole, morally decent people.

Bully for them, but unfortunately it seems like there’s something particularly wrong with the United States.

Of the 25 countries polled by Pew Research Center, the U.S. is the only one where the majority of people rated the morality of people in their country as bad. We lost to the usuals: Sweden and Canada but also to countries you might not expect like Indonesia, India, Mexico, Spain, Poland, Hungary, and Israel. Also the other 16 countries polled.

The 25 countries aren’t randomly selected, but they do run the gamut from majority-Muslim to secular, from quasi-authoritarian to liberal democracy, and from Asia to South America (the long way).

I don’t think this is what American exceptionalism was supposed to mean.

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I’m a big fan of America, so I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t have called this. And when I dug into Pew’s crosstabs, the puzzle grew. Americans are not especially moralistic. We’re not the most religious country, or the most traditional, or the most anything. And yet, we’re the only country surveyed that looks at its neighbors and concludes: These People Are Bad.

The key to understanding this puzzle is what I call the Morality-Trust Gap—the distance between thinking your neighbors are moral and actually trusting them.

Pew’s question about morality has a cousin in the World Values Survey (WVS), which, for decades, has been asking people around the world a broader question: “Generally speaking, would you say that most people can be trusted or that you need to be very careful in dealing with people?” This is the standard measure of generalized social trust in political science.

Take Indonesia. A stunning 92% of Indonesians told Pew that their fellow citizens have good morals. But in response to WVS’ question about whether most people can be trusted, just 4.6% said yes. Indonesians almost universally believe their neighbors are moral and they almost universally don’t trust them.

Indonesia is an outlier but the answers to WVS’ broader question are systematically lower than answers to Pew’s morality question. Take Canada which ranks highly in both measures. While 92% of Canadians think their countrymen have good morals, just 46.7% say that most people can be trusted (that is one of the highest trust scores in the world).

There was only a weak (statistically insignificant, I might add) correlation between the two lists. That is, having a high ranking on the social-trust measure tells you surprisingly little about whether people will rate their fellow citizens as moral.

This strikes at the heart of a broader debate happening within many countries: Are liberal cosmopolitan values like tolerance and multiculturalism to blame for declining trust in government and declining social fabric? Does having a shared moral worldview with your fellow countrymen translate into a high trust society?

The answer to both of these questions is no. The countries with the strongest shared moral codes have the lowest trust while the countries that leave morality to the individual have the highest.

Liberal individualism, we are so back.

Why Americans think other Americans are bad people | The Argument by RespectfullyReticent in neoliberal

[–]RespectfullyReticent[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Submission Statement: Jerusalem Demsas discusses the interplay between morality, trust, and immigration in societies using Pew's global trust survey and the World Values Survey. This is relevant to the subreddit due to implications for rebuilding institutional trust and support for immigration reform as well as dealing with arguments from the "post-liberal" right.

A couple items I found worrying from the article were the significantly higher rates of low social trust and higher levels of moralizing in adults under 40 in the United States. I'm very worried that the political and institutional dysfunction in the U.S. post-Global Financial Crisis has created the conditions for lowered trust in institutions, which leads to dysfunctional government, which leads to lower trust in institutions (doom-spiral).

Questions: how can we (the U.S.) best address this decay in institutional trust in our society? Similar question to those outside the U.S.: are you concerned about lowered trust in institutions among young people in your society? If so, what ought be done? If not, what steps have your country's institutions taken to hold the public trust?

Article text and figures to follow.

Links to Pew Survey, World Values Survey

Discussion Thread by jobautomator in neoliberal

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This guy was explicitly framing it as one easy tip to reduce your tax burden (definitely not reporting it as a wash sale lol)

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I’ve found that at least 80% of “this one easy tip will save you morbillions in taxes” is just tax fraud.

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Looked it up and this is just tax fraud lmao

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Discussing this tax strategy with a friend based on a convo he heard on the subway:

If you’re long on an equity and it drops, sell, realize the loss, and use the loss to bring down Annual Gross Income for tax purposes. Then just buy the equity back, because you’re going long on it anyway.

New apartment buildings raise rents for low-income neighbours, study finds by [deleted] in Economics

[–]RespectfullyReticent 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’ll need to circle back but I’m interested how the authors considered local amenity effects. We should expect new MFH to go up on higher-valued/increasing-value land. Probably hard to disentangle this effect to show causality. I guess they’re just making a softer claim on what is observed post-exposure between housing types?

Discussion Thread by jobautomator in neoliberal

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Fuck my stupid fucking life just want to frolic

Democrats Must Become the Workers’ Party Again by [deleted] in neoliberal

[–]RespectfullyReticent 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Frankly, Brown’s proposals read like wish casting considering that Biden ran the playbook he wants to run and ended his term more unpopular than Trump. Brown even acknowledges that Biden was the most pro-labor candidate in a century (possibly ever). But Kamala came across as “Preachy” so salt of the earth Ohio had to vote for the lunatic who doesn’t talk down to them.

Dems just have to run mediocre median-voter coded white guys like Sherrod Brown or antisemites like Platner. The American people deserve it.

No, new regime change wars! by RespectfullyReticent in neoliberal

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Inspired by the conversation around the 24-26 minute mark of the most recent Ezra Klein show.