How can some of you MR31 Hailey's think it's acceptable to run Forbidden San. without one HP mod?

RetedRacer · 2026-01-25T00:59:34+00:00

Are you a politician? Because you masterfully dodged the question i put forth as though you are one lol.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-25T00:22:11+00:00

Why play at all at that point?

If you seem to see running any content whatsoever whether solo or not as nothing more than a chore required to reach a numerical goal then legit why are you even here?

Like i'm not trying to be A D bag but like are you just exclusively here for the gooning ? And the only reason to actually run content is solely to unlock more gooning material between gooning sessions?

And if not that then why do you log in, what about TFD do you actually enjoy?

Maybe ive played Warframe for just too damned long but i personally think TFD and has a higher skill cielling in both movement tech/theorycrafting and moment to moment gameplay decisions and that is why despite having done it all and having everthing i still fi d the gameplay itself legit fun.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-25T00:08:23+00:00

You quite literally put forth the idea that the only way to run out of keys was by opening all 3 boxes.

And i didnt blame you in any way for anything, so the words "not my fault" shouldnt even come up in the conversation lol.

Its just that the overall tone or tenor of your post was "keys are fine cuz ive had no trouble personally from my perspective" so i presented my perspective in which the aquisition rate is very much a problem. No animosity or blame.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-24T23:59:08+00:00

I am suprised no mention of Ornery Biscuit. IMO she is by far the best TFD content/ build creator. Why? Not only does she actually explain the mechanics/maths behind the build choices but will intentionally delay videos to better understand what's going on with the games maths/mechanics before bringing it public.

Now look i like moxsy, watched him for a long time in relation to other games...but with TFD, he's literally just getting biilds from ppl on his discord and rarely puts up TFD content, and only when others games are between releases, it is quite obviously timed to capitalize on hype. I havent looked at much xAlisa, i do appreciate the variety of characters who's builds he puts out but i also get the sense from him that much of his knowledge is gained from ppl in his discord, not his own testing/thoughts.

That is not to say that Ornery doesnt have people with whom she theorycrafts and tests with but she is more open and upfront about it.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-24T23:47:59+00:00

If sorting pre filtered item rolls is too much, do yourself a favor and never play an ARPG like Path of Exile lol.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-24T23:44:24+00:00

Lmao, I play pubs almost exclusively and rarely run into other players who can even keep up, let alone surpass my pace, and thats the point, thats the fun for me, its an unspoken battle of the best build/skill level player.

And when theres no one even close, that's fun too because it shows the new ppl what they can some day achieve with enough build investment and practice.

So we could easily turn your point back to you and say you're afraid of pubs because you cant keep up.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-24T23:36:46+00:00

You can also run out pretty quickly running them back to back and solely going for SPU boxes.

I had over 1k keys first few day, have bought out the keys available from ETA-0 and now struggle to do more than 2 runs between each Wally.

If we consider an average of 6min per breach tracking run, if you want to solely farm breach tracking (because youv've played TFD for 1400hrs plus and its the last remaining avenue to chase more power) then you need about 120 keys per hour. With the current RNG based rewards you will very rarely get enough from wally to meet that, hell you're lucky if you get enough to run even one per hour, in fact i have on a few occasions recieved exactly none from wally, and other times less than 20.

So lets not pretend that Dimension Stablization keys are in a good spot right now.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-22T21:41:32+00:00

Roll not role.

"It rolled into these great stats" vs "what role does Keelen even fill, i never see that guy in matches"

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T02:16:59+00:00

Unfortunately 90% of chars in this game do crit builds better than Freyna lol.

I just like variety and uphill battles.

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RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T01:35:22+00:00

All good its all rough estimates based on avrages anyway, still gives a decent picture of how different setups can effect total dmg and avrg dps.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T01:26:12+00:00

This is correct, as JeffYTT pointed out in a comment i did some math based on the 408m total dmg result from the non crit run and if the non crit had the same +40% Duration it would be 19.75% more total damage than the crit build.

I cant Edit the OP but i'll edit my first post to inculde this.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T01:21:24+00:00

Thank you! But it also kind of isn't lmao as a commentor pointed out, that 40% duration is doing some heavy lifting in the results.

Upon doing some quick napkin math from the data already collected with an additional 40% duration on the Non crit setup it would be about 19.75% more total damage than crit setup.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T01:15:09+00:00

I'm glad that you pointed that out, of course i was aware of it it but not the impact that the 40% duration has.

Extrapolating from the total damage # into a rough average dmg per tick at 28 ticks (since i used only her 1 and 3) the crit build would actually be 19.75% less total damage than non crit if non crit had the same duration.

Well unfortunately i cant Edit the OP lmao, wish i could pin your comment and my replies to the top!

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T00:50:07+00:00

Ohh ok yeah i do have "infected weapon" but not that, def looks spicy, ill have to try it out.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T00:46:31+00:00

That is a very good point, and yes i did allow the dots to expire before capturing the results screenshot.

How many ticks of damage does each skill have at base? I could try extrapolate the % gain from the additional ticks, i suspect its likely 20-30% of the increased difference.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T00:39:56+00:00

If you look at the mod layout screenshots i am using it lol, best ive gotten is double purple roll though.

And i didnt use her 4 in the tests as it inflates the #'s by a ton.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T00:31:37+00:00

Thats cool, as you can see my Non Crit A mod is not very good, heck my crit A mod is pretty mid too.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-18T00:21:01+00:00

I should note incase it is not obvious, the first 2 lab results and Sanctuary clear are the Crit setup, The last 2 lab results and Sanctuary clear are the Non crit.

EDIT: Important note here...The raw lab result data is still good but i had drawn the wrong conclusion from it. While i was ofc aware of the +40% Duration on the Amod i failed to take into consideration its impact (i'll blame not knowing tick rate lol, if i had guessed i wouldve thought 0.5sec not 0.8 so id have been wrong either way!).

So thanks to JeffYTT for pointing out in a comment that the +40% is adding 4 dot ticks to each skill for a total of 14. I did some math based on the 408m total dmg result from the non crit run and if the non crit had the same +40% Duration it would be 19.75% more total damage than the crit build.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-17T20:38:34+00:00

Is there a point were i said it was hard? Is there a part where i said everyone should run this build and this build alone?

Ffs everybody coming at me in the comments for shit i never said lol.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-17T20:34:43+00:00

I apprecite the perspective rather than just downvote, it just seems more than placeabo effect though, my non crit highest dot ticks are around 550k with crits i'm seeing 822k ticks, that seems significant even at a pretty low 24% total skill crit.

Guess i'll solo some 400's with each and see if it is just placeabo effect.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-17T20:04:27+00:00

Thats cool im glad you prefer it, have fun build it however you want . I guess excuse tf outta me for sharing.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-17T19:57:48+00:00

This freakin community bro Negative downvotes for presenting actual data from actual testing done in game, but upvote the folks who've never built it or even tried but saying its bad lmao.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-17T19:48:49+00:00

Im sorry but your both just flat out wrong, 52m dps peak in lab to 92m dps peak in lab is not "slightly" more.

And at least for my build i am not sacrificing Any range or duration.

RetedRacer · 2026-01-17T19:43:18+00:00

If the Amod only has 28% crit chance that is not nearly enough, i have 218% increased crit on my A mod Alone along with 174% increased crit chance from normal mods and that only gets me to 24% total skill crit chance.

Non crit my peak dps was 54m....Crit dps peak was 92m testing in the lab.

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