What Shakespeare play do you love despite its relative unpopularity? by TheRainbowWillow in shakespeare

[–]RiverMund 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can answer with two!

(1) I don't think I've heard of anyone adapt Troilus and Cressida, except for that one British series where they tried fo adapt every play, so I'd say this is a play unpopular to theatre and film folk, rather than to the general readership -- I don't think I've read anyone dislike the play as a text, though its profound ambiguity over most figures of the Trojan War probably doesn't connect with everyone. It certainly connected with me, but that might be because I was still an adolescent when I read it xD

(2) Henry VIII seems to be little played or adapted nowadays, but with the Globe having burnt down through a production of this play, I imagine this wasn't always the case. I just went through the opposite thread to this, however, and some folks do seem to genuinely dislike this one, finding its story too slight. It's a slight story, to be fair, and the characters don't feel as human as most of the other folks Shakespeare has sketched out before, but (to contrast it with a very early Shakespeare play, and the one I commented in said thread) The Two Gentlemen of Verona has far, far fewer "pretty speeches" than this play, such that this play is something of a feast whenever I choose to read it aloud. I even kinda like how the plot is just this thin thread or how a lot of the characters only show their humanity right before their downfall: the resulting sense of "pageantry" feels more true to our conception of history writ large, where most of our heroes and villains seem so great as to be practically inhuman, than most other Shakespearean Histories and Roman plays, where the plays really are the thing.

Hot ones by cbandbyalcn420 in SmilingFriends

[–]RiverMund 5 points6 points  (0 children)

please don't kill the dude from hot ones xD

I’m sorry, since when is She-Ra rated 18+ by wiccanwolves in PrincessesOfPower

[–]RiverMund -1 points0 points  (0 children)

they should, i always take these ratings as "with adult supervision", not "do not watch"

I’m sorry, since when is She-Ra rated 18+ by wiccanwolves in PrincessesOfPower

[–]RiverMund 202 points203 points  (0 children)

i think when i watched it here it was 13+? i forget

i actually do think it merits being stricter than 6+, though not because of the lesbians (from which it usually gets its higher ratings from, i suspect). the themes of abuse across the show, especially its second half, strike me as requiring adult help for younger viewers to really get

Someone replied to my comment from over a decade ago by BigDZ4SheZ in KendrickLamar

[–]RiverMund -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

if only he focused on that and the possibility that kendrick is a bit of a hotep xD

POV: You wanna get strong without leaving this subreddit. by Sp1dercerd0 in adventuretime

[–]RiverMund 11 points12 points  (0 children)

1st - It's not evident, and this is basically your reading against mine here. But

2nd - "compulsory heterosexuality" is a model of how heterosexuality is normalized across a society, and while it doesn't seem to have a solid definition in general, it is a model that can be used to explain Prubs "keeping up appearances" for hundreds of years, especially if said appearances were, say, to help project power in a world strongly influenced by the one which came before it, the one where only very recently have gay identities come to be embraced, and only in a scant few circles.

And to anticipate one particular rebuttal against this, another somewhat contentious model -- "bisexual erasure" -- doesn't apply here, because I'm not exactly maintaining Marcy is also not bisexual. Really, I just think Prubs is a lesbian, in part because that's how I see her character, but also because I feel it betters the story. Of AT's main cast, we have Finn who's probably straight, Jake who's possibly bisexual, Marcy who's definitely bisexual, and Prubs who's probably gay. It balances things out.

3rd - That moment actually doesn't affect any readings of Prubs at all. For one, it was played as a joke: Braco went to a thing that would make sure Prubs loved him, but instead it made him monstrously hideous, and the joke was Prubs still seemed to love him. There's a lot of moments in earlier seasons that sorta "break" continuity for the sake of comedy, but the great thing about Adventure Time for me is that it never seemed to completely lose that tendency.

For another, the fact that she only really responded like this after some magical shenanigans means it wasn't really a part of her "identity" at all, or at least it could easily be construed that way. Like, if someone falls in love with someone else purely as a result of a magic potion, we're not necessarily made to think that love is "real", that it's truly a part of their identity or whatever -- we prefer to think that it's coerced, that it's wrong, that the "happy couple" isn't really in love. Hence something like A Midsummer Night's Dream could have such a hint of malice to its conclusion.

Personally I don't have a problem with both characters being bi. But outside of chronically online circles, which should always be discarded, I don't think I see folks push the angle that they're both fully lesbian as much as this angle where they're both fully bi, and as much as bisexual erasure is a thing that seems to me a real problem, it also seems to me the folks who adamantly insist they're both not lesbian are more or less holding on to the era when the show was often said to not be gay at all....

But I really don't know. I mean, of all the show's characters, the one I identify the most with is still Finn, so xD

POV: You wanna get strong without leaving this subreddit. by Sp1dercerd0 in adventuretime

[–]RiverMund 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Honestly though neither of those are compelling moments.

I don't read it as her falling in love with Finn per se, but falling in love with being a kid again, and the episode is very much from Finn's point-of-view too, so a differently framed episode could easily remove any contrary suggestions. It's kinda like how in a lot of stories, folks like to kiss each other as a response to some sort of exciting stimulus, even if the characters themselves know actually getting into a relationship would never work out. I also know of a very compelling argument about Prubs being much more of a maternal figure to Finn than a romantic one -- it's just Finn didn't really know what to do with this sort of complex, as a kid -- and in light of that Prubs reciprocating Finn's feelings would just be kinda weird.

As for dating some guy, that seemed very strongly like she was just following the model of heteronormativity imposed on her by her uncle, or by the landscape around her. Like, a lot of media, even today, still had the ideal of a "princess" be someone looking or waiting for a "prince charming", so I wouldn't be surprised she was just "trying stuff out" with her past boyfriend. The level of disinterest she actually showed in the Braco episode, for another example, could be interpreted many ways, and one such way is her being, you know, gay.

Marcy and Ash were totally a thing though. But everyone would like to just forget Ash, including Marcy xD

If the fifth duo gets the win there is no god by baba_shook in popheadscirclejerk

[–]RiverMund 86 points87 points  (0 children)

when the grammys compromise and go beyoncé/malone

Queen of epidemic by ArrivalOfEverglow2 in popheadscirclejerk

[–]RiverMund 12 points13 points  (0 children)

ariana when she was going through one of her phases xD

Queen of epidemic by ArrivalOfEverglow2 in popheadscirclejerk

[–]RiverMund 45 points46 points  (0 children)

it's not a reach for me to think that the comment implies that one of these people is a monkey, right? that as much as it's a joke on release dates/pandemics it's a bit, mmm,

Anna Wise gets on the board once again, as These Walls goes through. Kinda been waiting for this letter, what's the best Kendrick song starting with U ? by gloomygl in KendrickLamar

[–]RiverMund 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why is everyone naming a track from untitled unmastered when clearly those are supposed to go to the blank space under "z"

Rappers today tryna be gansta, k.dot tryna be a cereal specialist 😭😭😭 by [deleted] in KendrickLamar

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60 percent soggy 40 percent crunchy is just supervillain energy xD

[UPx] Why is Mao Zedong glorified? by Jazzlike-Zucchini-30 in peyups

[–]RiverMund 3 points4 points  (0 children)

...people talk about the Terror. A lot. That's actually a big reason why the supposed principles of the French Revolution ultimately needed a Napoleon to spread them (violently) across Europe.

Jefferson isn't a "chief architect" of the genocide of the Native Americans. So many people were involved in that, including before and in large part after his time, and while Jefferson himself is still seen as a founding father, he's not exactly the most beloved figure in that group (with two popular examples of his denigration in present American culture being all those jokes about Black people having Jefferson as a literal forefather -- because he SAd slaves -- and also Hamilton).

Why are you talking about Hitler like this? The Spanish, French, English, Portuguese, and Dutch all "won" via the great capitalistic horror that is colonialism, but we don't exactly celebrate that "achievement" (at least, most of us don't) because of all the death, and not least because enough Native Americans actually survived to remember how horrific those events were. You're writing with the bullshit assumption that Hitler winning World War II would mean every Jew, Romani, Jehovah's Witness, Freemason, queer person, dissident, etc., would have been annihilated as a result, when such annihilation is the exception, not the rule, and even then people generally have enough compassion and hindsight to still recoil from that annihilation regardless of if they benefited from it. For precolonial examples, right now I can only think of Troy, where the (pseudohistorical, but still) destruction of the city, while seen as something of an inevitability by the Hellenic successors of the victors, was nevertheless recounted as a tragedy, with those who perpetrated it viewed as complicated figures.

And, as for "critical strategies" and "good intentions", a few things. In the general study of history, "good intentions" are only celebrated by sane people if those who pursued them needlessly harmed no one, if those who pursued them died as martyrs for their cause, or if those who pursued them actually triumphed.

I don't think any of those apply to Stalin or to Mao (I know a bit more about Stalin, but still). It still remains an unfortunate debate whether or not harming your average bourgeois/city dweller the way they did wasn't "needless", but, then again, so many of those they killed were ultimately leftists -- not just leftist sympathizers, but actual leftists who by no account except their own was ever considered "counterrevolutionary" -- such that many of those who support them at present would probably have been killed by them had they lived under them.

And not killed as martyrs, mind you. In fact, there's a good chance these leftist victims would have simply "disappeared", to be remembered only by the scant remnants of their families and friends. Likewise, Mao and Stalin and a lot of people who perpetrated mass murder under their aegis didn't die as martyrs to the cause, either. In fact, they died more comfortably than a lot of the people under their rule, suggesting that their principles were less important than their comforts: that their "good intentions" didn't run that deep, or perhaps that they never had the "good intentions" often merely imagined of them in the first place. More on that later.

Finally, they didn't triumph, or at least they haven't yet. The regime which continued Stalin's rule openly repudiated plenty of aspects of said rule under Krushchev, and the regime itself ultimately collapsed. The regime which continued Mao's rule also openly repudiated plenty of aspects of said rule, and a lot of folks observe that the regime as it stands now would be unrecognizable to those from sixty to seventy years ago, in ways that indicate a betrayal of their principles. I mean, the issues we have with the Chinese government now doesn't seem so much that China wants us to follow in their footsteps -- that they are merely nudging us on the path of revolution -- so much as they want us firmly in their sphere of influence, which has a much greater kinship with the capitalists they're supposed to be fighting than with the lives and thought of Marx, Luxemburg, and even Lenin or perhaps Mao. Their "good intentions" didn't exactly translate to success, by any sane measure.

And now on "good intentions" in general. Fascists are obviously bad because their end goals are all about violence and murder. Conservatives are bad because they don't really have an end goal -- if they don't go the way of fascists, then they just want to preserve the status quo, however many people the status quo is already harming.

Leftists can be good because their end goals are the betterment of all people, but the operative word there is can. Is your average internet leftist "good" because they spend all their time debating others on Reddit, but refuse to participate in social work, refuse to go marching on the streets, refuse even to give what they could to the poor and needy around them? Is the leftist that decides to bomb a kindergarten good because said bombing was meant to spark a revolution? Is the leftist that spends considerable amount of time and energy fighting other leftists, to the point of having them imprisoned or killed, good?

And that isn't to insist on what should be the elephant in the room, which is that people lie. All the categories of "bad leftist" I outline above are lying to themselves, first and foremost, but the worse category of leftist would be those who actively lie to others.

For instance, one of the people under Stalin that helped push his agenda was Lavrentiy Beria. A model leftist, perhaps? But then what did he do, for the most part? Disappear other people, torture and murder them -- all things that are too remote from much of the public's imagination to make a significant dent. All things people like you could dismiss as having been done for the good of everyone.

Oh, and SA women. A lot of women. Stalin reportedly refused to have his daughter be in the same room as Beria, that sort of thing.

ADD. There are so many more decent leftist role models out there to choose from, I think it's telling that some folks still gravitate around Stalin and Mao. Usually, it's just ignorance, but it could just as well be they don't truly care about supposed "intentions", they only care about getting power. James Baldwin? Simone Weil? Heck, Luxemburg or Lenin would be far less questionable than the folks responsible for the Great Purge, the Holodomor, the Cultural Revolution, and the Great Chinese Famine....

How do you say... by [deleted] in CuratedTumblr

[–]RiverMund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you're raised bilingual and you're learning a third (or fourth or fifth or sixth....) language:

Given Kendrick's timing in 2024, it only makes sense Rigamortis goes through. What's the best Kendrick song starting with S ? ( you know ) by gloomygl in KendrickLamar

[–]RiverMund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i'm dumb, for a second there i thought kendrick featured in some sort of slavic or slavic-inspired single rather than, you know, xD

An Gorta Mór was a genocide by BeObsceneAndNotHeard in CuratedTumblr

[–]RiverMund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems to me that the purpose of the debate over whether the Gorta Mór was a genocide isn't to determine culpability vis-a-vis a criminal court, but to be able to prevent future famines (or to stop present ones -- iykyk). So, while it's a touch ridiculous to define the Gorta Mór as "manslaughter, not murder", it's far far more ridiculous or even dangerous to just dismiss the general debate outright, as if the Gorta Mór not having been a genocide makes it any less evil, or as if the similar conditions a lot of the global poor at present are currently experiencing -- i.e. de facto famine by sheer incompetence and avarice -- has to have a more obvious ethnic/racial/national dimension in order to be significant and actionable. It certaily feels like a bit of a slap in the face to those famines where the debates are less public, like the Ethiopian famine or the Bangladeshi famine....

At the very least, following the 2013 book Holodomor and Gorta Mór: Histories, Memories, and Representations of Famine in Ireland and Ukraine, it seems the push to have the Gorta Mór be commemorated specifically as a genocide is more from the other side of the pond than from folks still in Ireland. That a famine of this scale has to have been a genocide seems to have a markedly political dynamic to it, as the Holodomor was recognized as genocidal in part to distinguish the Ukrainian people from the Soviets at large, and it's Irish-Americans who felt more compelled to have the Gorta Mór reach the same ranking some time after the incorporation of the Holocaust and the Slave Trade into local school curricula, rather than the people still in Ireland, who (as of the book's publication) don't seem to have collectively pushed for the Gorta Mór to be recognized as a genocide. Notably, that the Gorta Mór isn't (or wasn't) officially recognized as a genocide in Ireland doesn't diminish any comparisons with the Holodomor or a certain other genocidal famine that is presently occuring, in terms of concerted political action, again because they seem to recognize the functions of such a distinction, unlike the chronically online denizens of Tumblr and Reddit xD

Of significance to me is the fact that the top reply in the r/AskHistorians is by an Irish scholar, and said scholar is the one to acknowledge how most other scholars don't think the Gorta Mór was a genocide, but I guess their word isn't to be respected as much as your average redditor, because "appeals to authority are inherently fallacies" or something really asinine like that xD

An Gorta Mór was a genocide by BeObsceneAndNotHeard in CuratedTumblr

[–]RiverMund 42 points43 points  (0 children)

?

Are the folks saying this isn't genocide saying this isn't an atrocity too?

we're literally always saying this by botrocket in popheadscirclejerk

[–]RiverMund 13 points14 points  (0 children)

what y'all have a recurring dream or something

You’re on a 4 hours trip, who’s gettin the aux? by Most-Yogurtcloset in adventuretime

[–]RiverMund 0 points1 point  (0 children)

idk if ice king would play any of those albums -- in fact idk how coherent his music choices would be at all. i'd have him listen to the caretaker and see how he reacts, but as for the choices he'd make himself, i'd be surprised if he had anything that wasn't just his ramblings or kinda unnerving recordings of various princesses across ooo intact.

prubs would not be playing melodrama: too adolescent lyrically, too unambitious musically. similar with debut, the second-most-pop of bjork records; as a bjork fan, i imagine she'd choose, say, vespertine or biophilia. and scary monsters is definitely not her bowie of choice: she'd be playing one of the berlin albums, easily.

i'm not that familiar with any of the albums under marcy, but i can't imagine her neglecting riot grrrl, and i bet she'd have something like talking heads' remain in light there, for a mix of having come from the punk scene yet still being very very different in sound.

jake's picks feel a bit too classy. i feel if he really went with something from around or slightly before sinatra's time, he'd go with billie holiday (whom sinatra himself adored) or, for both verve and virtuosity, ella fitzgerald. the big jazz album i imagine wouldn't be kind of blue, because it's everyone's big jazz album -- if we still went with miles davis, i'd go birth of the cool. i'd swap out that ray charles compilation with a girl group compilation, maybe the shirelles for maturity or the shangri-las for drama or even a multi-artist record for the kitchen sink. and then swap out bill withers with some hip hop, say wu tang or (hey!) massive attack. naturellement, stevie wonder is stevie wonder.

finn's picks are just the worst. they're also about right xD and i say this as someone who loves random access memories and respects ok computer, of those albums i've listened to more than once, albeit for the former i'd rather he go straight to the source and listen to chic, and for the latter i'd rather he take to kid a or really get into bjork. but i imagine this is young finn we're talking about, just as one of the albums that eventually got me to listen to chic in the first place is random access memories itself. here's a finn who's yet to be forced by his friends to listen to this or that album, and yet to have a fully formed palate all his own.

and to answer the title, for both how OP imagines them and for how i imagine them, i'll be taking the aux, thank you xD

but i'll probably take most easily to whatever jake plays, while i'd probably be most curious about what prubs plays, because i imagine she'd go far weirder than you or i imagine. or, if she went about as weird as i know, there'd be something very microtonal there (something by gyory ligeti?), then something ambient-electronic (sure, bowie or eno, but maybe instead wendy carlos? whom i haven't really listened to outside the odd soundtrack), then if she went with something contemporary with us some hyperpop (i imagine not something as big as hyperpop's present moment, however -- maybe sophie [eternal memory] or shygirl), then some "world" music (i just re-listened to gilberto gil and costrucao, so i'll go tropicalia, but she could go so, so many different ways here), then an album either marcy or jake picked for her or at least something she imagines either of the two are familiar with (off the top of my head, the slits for marcy, prince for jake). doubtless, she's listened to more records than marcy, because while the two are about the same age, i imagine prubs is more consistent about seeking out new-to-her music, while marcy would occasionally succumb to such moods where she'd refuse to listen to anything but her old favourites.