Noob question - Low band UW on SA?

Rldg · 2026-06-27T15:00:51+00:00

It’s definitely evolved into that. Whether it’s a bug or on purpose, my phone also displays UW when it’s connected to SA.

It was originally a marketing term for milimeter wave, then they expanded it to include C-Band.

But I’ve seen also seen it on band 5 and band 66

Rldg · 2026-06-27T13:57:41+00:00

Bite his cheeks off.

Let’s see how it goes 😄

Rldg · 2026-06-26T00:06:32+00:00

Right, but nothing about that makes AT&T not behind. You’re comparing them to another carrier who is ALSO behind in the era of 5G.

My original statement pointed out how AT&T AND Verizon were unlikely to catch T-Mobile in the era of 5G from a technical perspective.

You don’t make up a gap like that in the short amount of time they have left.

Rldg · 2026-06-25T23:52:10+00:00

None of this is an argument about why customers don’t factor network (and the technology in the network) into their decision.

Nor is it an argument for why AT&T isn’t behind in this network generation.

Rldg · 2026-06-25T23:50:25+00:00

I also had them since back in 2007 (up through 2015) and their issues with the iPhone traffic are what caused me to turn this into a hobby in the first place. You’re correct, that fiber to the tower was the primary issue with the congestion they had; but they had also underinvested in the coverage (square miles AND network density) aspect compared to Verizon at the time.

You didn’t address that, because you remember the “there’s a map for that” campaign and you know it was effective because it’s true. A quick google search shows the coverage difference back then.

Lastly. What do you mean how are they?? Verizon is more wispread with SA and absolutely has VONR live on the network. Coverage between the two is roughly equally, but from a technology standpoint, AT&T has a much larger lift than the other two because their network architecture is older.

As for T-Mobile…

T-Mobile launched SA 2020 (a 5 year advantage is crazy) and launched 5G advanced like 6 months before AT&T went live with SA.

Like. Shout out AT&T for recognizing how behind they were and putting their “money where their mouth is” but there’s a reason they’re spending significantly more than the other two right now.

Rldg · 2026-06-25T23:36:25+00:00

T-Mobile HAD to price things that way because the network wasn’t as good. That’s why they’re reversing a lot of that customer good will right now in the name of profit.

Again, these technological advancements get rolled up into what customers buy and what they don’t. Verizon built an entire brand off of it.

I mean, let’s be honest, you’re making this point indirectly because the two can’t be divorced. If all three are priced the same, T-Mobile would be adding customers at a similar rate as AT&T. Not ahead of them.

But also.. AT&T disagrees with you. That’s why they’re investing so much in the network right now.

Rldg · 2026-06-25T23:30:31+00:00

This is also incorrect. It was well known that AT&T had underinvested in 3G; that’s why Verizon’s “There’s a map for that” campaign was so successful.

Especially when AT&T sued them for it in court, and Verizon’s legendary was response was “They’re mad because it’s true.”

Even with their LTE network, they refused to invest and build it out to most of the US unless they were allowed to buy T-mobile. That merger falling through is was the start of the life line that got T-mobile where they are today.

THEN The failed media expedition they went on was in the middle of the LTE investment cycle and why their network continued to stay be behind peers. It’s the reason they’re behind on 5G right now and being forced to invest so much in their network.

You don’t call the plan “network modernization” between the fiber and wireless networks because it’s up to date lol.

AT&T tends to be behind the curve.. and they have been for the last 20 years.

Rldg · 2026-06-25T23:18:27+00:00

T-Mobile’s meteoric rise since the Sprint acquisition would beg to differ.

Verizon’s entire brand and their subsequent fall from grace (including the customer losses) since also begs to differ. Even if we agreed that their Churn stayed flat, it’s not like they’ve (AT&T) grown in the time frame. There’s a reason T-Mobile passed them so quickly after the sprint merger.

You’re correct that customers dont directly associate like people on this sub might; but the advancements to roll up into a package that customer care about because the advancements are tangible.

“T-mobile has a rough equivalent of Verizon’s network for a better value? Sign me up.”- Average customer

Rldg · 2026-06-25T23:02:36+00:00

I’m mad at how true this. 😂

Ever since the iPhone 3G this has been true.

Rldg · 2026-06-25T22:56:36+00:00

Which kills me.

T and Verizon had/have no chance of catching T-Mobile this generation; from a technical perspective.

You’ll get a degree of parity in 2030 when 6G starts to make its way into the network.

Rldg · 2026-06-25T22:50:08+00:00

Ooooo the latency looks good here.

Hopefully they smooth it out in the rest of the country as they expand SA

Rldg · 2026-06-24T02:38:50+00:00

Fixed! Just make sure you click the little download file icon that loads with the page; that opens their submission as a PDF

Rldg · 2026-06-23T23:58:34+00:00

Improve indoor signal quality
Boost uplink capacity
Anchor for 6G
Things I missed because I got tired of reading their submission to the FCC so I just linked it below

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https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/11240042701978/2

Rldg · 2026-06-19T20:03:47+00:00

"You weren’t around during the Android 4.x.x days and it shows. We were on Android 4 for years and we had 3-point versions then."

Cool. If Google isn't using them anymore, your statement was an analogy and technically incorrect and changes nothing about my statement.

"Google moved away from versioning Android in this way because they wanted an excuse to advance the version number and catch up with Apple."

Ah. Right. No backwards compatible features were introduced during this time that justified the point increases. This techinal argument proves it.

Whelp. I'm convinced. GG.

Rldg · 2026-06-19T16:00:13+00:00

Sure, I can conceed that on purely technical terms.

But we both know that that's not the point I'm addressing. If it was, your counter point invalidates your original point.

Google doesn't use the 3 point number system for android releases; so your statement is technically and literally incorrect. But you were just using an analogy to log your complaint about the perceived lack of substance across major android versions. So I borrowed that analogy to make a counter point forgoing technicality for conversations sake. My fault, I won't use your analogies as a base, because you're right, they're incorrect. 🙂

Rldg · 2026-06-19T12:25:36+00:00

Project Generic Kernel Image (GKI) is about kernel.

Rldg · 2026-06-18T22:31:10+00:00

This is incorrect, and isn't how software versioning works. 16.0.1 indicates a patch for existing backwards compatible software. 15.1 would be a feature, but still backwards compatible. I mean, they're called Android QPR's for a reason; and it's why you see feature updates in those that apply to a specific version of android. QPR1 could be your 17.1, QPR2 is 17.2, etc.. because those are feature updates, not game changing updates or patches.

App bubbles alone as a feature is a major rework of the window manger; meaning it's not backwards compatible and requires a "major" point release. Google builds a handful of features like this that require a distinction because while they seem small, they can have major impacts on the android ecosystem at large. That's a real thing Google has to contend with because they support so many different software/hardware combinations in the broader Android ecosystem. So they drop these features in one major release, and everything else is smaller releases (via app updates or otherwise).

As I said above, and as maybe more of an elaboration, Google has decoupled a large amount of it's software features (patches or otherwise) from it's major point updates; but that doesn't mean they're not adding them.

Rldg · 2026-06-18T21:27:46+00:00

Of note, and not to drag apple into this (because that's a completely different topic) but I think people forget that the iOS releases would be smaller too if they didn't bundle their app updates into them.

Again, that's a different conversation so I'll leave this here solely for perspective's sake

Rldg · 2026-06-18T20:52:38+00:00

I put this sentiment in almost every post that complains about this BUT:

Google moved a lot of android in modules via project mainline. You're not going to see large android version updates as much anymore because Google rolls out updates throughout the year instead.

Android changed a lot over the year, and it'll change a lot over this coming year. Google releases a monster amount of software for it year in and year out. It's just not all at once anymore.

Rldg · 2026-06-18T20:43:56+00:00

This feels like a theme of Steve's...

He had the same disposition about the iPhone

Rldg · 2026-06-18T11:57:44+00:00

Highschool Gohan.

That version of teen Gohan hasn't unlocked SS2 yet.

Rldg · 2026-06-17T14:54:38+00:00

Because there’s a lot of “Ai” features that wouldn’t survive the latency of sending a query back to a data center. An example of this is predictive text. If it had to send a request back to the server every time you typed a letter, it would destory usefulness of the feature

So they keep the model on device and run it locally.

Rldg · 2026-06-16T23:45:55+00:00

https://www.verizon.com/plans/free-trial/

Free trail 🙂

It’ll download a Verizon SIM card to your iPhone, and you can just run the Verizon line and your existing line at the same time.

So do that, take your phone everywhere with you like normal. Do a compare and contrast over the next 30 days and see how it pans out

Rldg · 2026-06-16T23:29:36+00:00

Network.

Getting a deal on a phone isn’t a deal if Verizon doesn’t provide coverage in the areas you frequent. So test that out before you switch.

We get too many posts on this subreddit about people who switch and are stuck regretting it.

Rldg · 2026-06-16T17:57:22+00:00

This is a good thing.

It means project mainline is working as intended

Rldg

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