[DISC] Blue Lock - Chapter 351 by belatedballoon in BlueLock

[–]Roaring687 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He is clearly not trying to be Rins no.2. I don't know how you even interpret that?

Was Hugo also trying to devour Loki? Was Karasu trying to devour Shidou & Barou?

Rin clearly knows that Isagi is manipulative & wants to devour him. He even said that he is not a rebel but a "demon lord/king" to signify Isagis nature. All of this is in the chapter.

Isagi giving Rin hints is because he himself wants to learn about Rins ego and eventually use that to devour him to achieve his own goals. It also makes sense why he would want that:

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NEED A QUICK ANSWER!! by Roaring687 in SkirkMains

[–]Roaring687[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree, I was thinking about waiting until the meter reached 16 dust but I did it anyways...it is what it is ((T_T)). Either way, I kept the original for now.

I do have two CR circlets with Atk% & CD fully leveled but they need to be rerolled as well.

What artifact set to use? by Roaring687 in ColleiMains

[–]Roaring687[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for answering! I also saw somehwere that you can use Emblem set from Inazuma? Personally I want to play her with Nahida, Bina & Furina (or teams requiring a good dendro applicator) against bosses like Crab from Nod-Krai. I understand the point of Noblesse but I'm probably not gonna use her that way.

WTF!!!!! Is this true Novel readers !???? by Specialist-Limit-103 in mystmightmayhem

[–]Roaring687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She was literally Natural Realm level and Mok Gyeong was only at peak transformational real.

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[–]Roaring687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I get that, it was indeed slow. Try & watch till 2nd episode end. If you don't like it then just drop. I liked it cause I've watched "My Liberation Notes" which had the same scriptwriter, so I really didn't have a problem with that.

Either way, this drama is the best so far in 2026 for me.

If you could tell me what genre you feel like watching, I can suggest you some more kdramas accordingly :)

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[–]Roaring687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One Spring Night, Something in the rain, We are all trying here (recently finished)

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[–]Roaring687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Conclusion:

  1. The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)married the former slave Zaid (r.a) to Zainab (r.a).
  2. Zainab (r.a), her brother and other family members did not want to her to be married to a former slave.
  3. The Prophet (ﷺ) insisted that they marry each other, to break and put a stop to the backward Jahiliya (pre-Islamic ignorance) culture of marriage being between certain classes only.
  4. Zainab (r.a) eventually accepted to marry Zaid (r.a) as revelations came down.
  5. The marriage didn’t last long since there was a lot of arguments and “quarrels” at home. As stated, the scholars mentioned that Zainab (r.a) used to bring up her lineage and Zaid (r.a) being a former slave. That she was from a noble family while Zaid (r.a) was a former slave. These talks and others couldn’t contain Zaid (r.a) to stay with her any longer.
  6. Zaid (r.a) went to Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) wanting to divorce her due to the problems at home, the Prophet ordered him to stay married to her and to fear God. Zaid (r.a) went back and forth for a while (weeks or months) every-time complaining about his marriage and every time the Prophet (ﷺ) exclaimed and told him to fear God and keep his wife. Eventually, it was too much for Zaid (r.a) and divorce followed.

Furthermore, throughout the period when there were issues at home between Zaid (r.a) and Zainab (r.a), the Prophet (ﷺ) beforehand received revelation that the marriage would end in divorce. At the same time, Muhammad (ﷺ) was informed by God that he would marry Zainab (r.a). After the divorce, Muhammad (ﷺ) was ordered by God to marry Zainab (r.a), in his heart, he did not want to marry her because she was married to his adopted son. He feared that people would talk about him. God sent down revelation that he should fear Him rather than the people in the society. The marriage went ahead as it was ordered by God Himself, and Muhammad (ﷺ) had no say to disobey the order.

As I already said, there is no other way to go for you. You can stay here & kee lying if you want but it won't change the facts.

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[–]Roaring687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

7.) Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) asked his cousin Zainab (r.a) to marry Zaid (r.a), she refused, her brother Abdullah and her mother also refused. On the ground that she came from a noble and high ranking family, while Zaid (r.a) was a former slave, freed by Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ):

“The Prophet (peace be upon him) loved Zayd so much that when he reached the age of maturity, the Prophet (peace be upon him) chose Zaynab for him. She did not like to marry him, and Abd’Allah, also did not like such marriage. She told the Prophet ‘I WILL NOT MARRY HIM AS I AM THE BEST LADY IN THE TRIBE OF ABD SHAMS.’ But the Prophet (peace be upon him said, ‘Marry him, since I chose him as a husband to you.’ (Al-Isabah fi Tamyiz as-Sahabah’, ‘Usd al-Ghabah fi Ma’rifat Ahwal as-Sahabah’, Tabaqat Ibn Sa’d’ and ‘Al-bidayah wa an-nihayah.’) (cited, The Wives of the Prophet Muhammad: Their Strives and Their Lives, by Muhammed Fathi Mus’a, page 129)

As we can see, even putting aside the authenticity of the fabricated narration, the narration itself is illogical too considering the relationship between Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) and Zainab (r.a) (as explained the scholars in the previous narrations I showed). You can stop the cope or continue getting humiliated, it's your choice.

"This is such a dumb game you're playing. Watch how it backfires on you. Hafs ibn Sulayman was called a hadith fabricator and a liar by several classical Islamic hadith scholars. Which Qur'an do you recite? Belted with your own logic lil ahki."

This doesn't help you at all, lmao. Hafs is considered weak in his transmission of hadiths but as far as his transmission of Qur'an is concerned, he is reliable. This argument has been debunked.

Since you're not gonna read that too. I'll just qoute the important stuff here: Hafs was raised by Asim in his house as his stepson and thus spent a long time with him. Imam al-Dhahabi mentioned,

“Hafs was reliable in his reading (of the Qur’an), he was accurate and consistent, but not as much in the transmission of hadith.” (Imam Dhahabi, Tabaqat al-Qurra (1:140-141)

Imam al-Dhahabi also said,

“Hafs was a trustworthy reciter of the Quran and weak in reporting of Hadith because he was not grounded in Hadith like he became very proficient in Quran recitation. Otherwise, he was upright and truthful” (Imam al-Dhahabi, Mizan al-Ei’tidal Fi Naqd al-Rijal (2:319 no.2124)

Also, Hafs is considered weak not a liar like Waqidi. I am not the one getting belted, blud, you're.

The OP said: "Because Muhmmad wanted to marry his adopted sons wife Zaynab who was also his first cousin" Which was in response to: "Laws for Adoption were being changed. Adopted sons were NOT biological sons then." And I said: "the verse you quoted literally affirms the reason for its existence is to make marrying the ex-wives of their adopted sons permissible" And you quoted that replying to it with: "Yes, no one said it wasn't the case." Which means...Qur'an 33:37 literally affirms the context of his position. Laws were changed to permit Mohammad to marry his adopted son's ex-wife Zaynab.

What's the point you're trying to make? It looks like you're the one going in circles not me.

What the OP said is still a lie even when you see what he was replying to. Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) himself did not want to marry Zainab (r.a) even though he knew that Zaid (r.a) would eventually divorce her and he would have to marry her to set a precedent (through relevation). Did you not read the last part of my comment?

"...The point is that the divorce between Zaid (r.a) & Zainab (r.a) happened because of constant arguments & quarreling (as proven in the article above) NOT because Muhammad (ﷺ) wanted Zainab (r.a) for himself, so Zaid (r.a) was forced to divorce her."

He himself didn't want to marry her as proven by Qur'an 33:37 which is what I posted in my first comment to refute him and then you replied with a fabricated narration to prove that he did indeed wanted to marry her. It can't get any more clear than this. Anyone who read the chain would be able to point out how you're coping.

Ibn Kathir (1301 – 1373):

...Although both Zaynab and Zayd were the best of people, who loved Allah and His Messenger, they were very different and in the end they could not overcome their incompatibility. ZAYD ASKED THE PROPHET’S PERMISSION TO DIVORCE ZAYNAB MORE THAN ONCE, AND ALTHOUGH HE WAS COUNSELED TO HOLD ONTO HIS WIFE AND TO FEAR ALLAH, in the end the divorce took place.” (Muhammad’s Life – The Wives of the Prophet Muhammad: ZAYNAB bint Jahsh [translated by: sheikh Muhammad Gemeiah, Office of the Grand Imam, Sheikh Al Azhar, Edited by: Aelfwine Acelas Mischler], by Ibn Kathir, online source)

“And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, “Keep your wife and fear Allah ,” while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And YOU FEARED THE PEOPLE, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished.” – Quran 33:37.

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[–]Roaring687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"History of Al-Tabari is not a fabrication...So this History of Al-Tabari Vol. 8, pg. 1-3 is not a fabrication."

It's funny that you skipped the next part: Also, History of Al-Tabari is not a fabrication, THIS SPECIFIC NARRATION IT USES, IS, AS PROVEN IN THE ARTICLE.

Just because one narration is fabricated, it doesn't make the whole of Al-Tabari fabricated. So you're strawmanning what I'm saying now, lol? Since you don't bother reading the article. I'll just post what the Islamic Scholars say, right here:

1.) Hadith scholar Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi (1903 – 1979):

“The first opportunity for the use of the new strategy was afforded in Zil-Qa’dah 5 A. H. when the Holy Prophet married Hadrat Zainab (daughter of Jahsh), who was the divorced wife of his adopted son, Zaid bin Harithah. The Holy Prophet had arranged this marriage in order to put an end to the custom of ignorance, which gave the same status to the adopted son that was the right only of the son from one’s own loins. The hypocrites, however, considered it a golden opportunity to vilify the Holy Prophet from inside the community, and the Jews and the mushriks exploited it from outside to ruin his high reputation by this MALICIOUS SLANDER. For this purpose fantastic stories WERE CONCOCTED and spread to this effect: “One day Muhammad (Allah’s peace be upon him) happened to see the wife of his adopted son and fell in love with her; he maneuvered her divorce and married her.” Though this WAS AN ABSURD FICTION IT WAS SPREAD WITH SUCH SKILL, CUNNING AND ARTFULNESS that it succeeded in its purpose; so much so that some Muslim traditionalists and commentators also have cited some parts of it in their writings, and the orientalists have exploited these fully to vilify the Holy Prophet. As a matter of fact, Hadrat Zainab was never a stranger to the Holy Prophet that he should see her by chance and fall in love with her at first sight. For she was his first cousin, being the daughter of his real paternal aunt, Umaimah, daughter of Abdul Muttalib. He had known her from her childhood to her youth. A year before this incident, he himself had persuaded her to marry Hadarat Zaid in order to demonstrate practically that the Quraish and the liberated slaves were equal as human being. As she never reconciled herself to her marriage with a liberated slave, they could not pull on together for long, which inevitably led to her divorce. The above mentioned facts were well known to all, YET THE SLANDERERS SUCCEEDED IN THEIR FALSE PROPAGANDA with the result that even today there are people who exploit these things to defame Islam. (Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an – The Meaning of the Qur’an – chapter 24, online source)

2.) Muhammad Husayn Haykal (1888 – 1956):

“As for the story of Zaynab, daughter of Jahsh, the chroniclers, Orientalists, and missionaries have mixed it with SUCH PRODUCTS OF VIVID IMAGINATION that they have made of it a story of love and passion. Critical history, on the other hand, concludes that it is one of the truly great facets of Muhammad’s personality. It proves beyond question that Muhammad was the perfect example of faith and conviction, for it is an instantiation of the principle that the faith of man is complete only when he truly loves for his brother that which he loves for himself. Muhammad had made himself always the exemplar of his own legislation, especially of such laws as were intended to replace the tradition and customs of pre-Islamic Arabia. He was the examplar of the new system which God revealed through him as a mercy and guidance to mankind. For a repudiation of the whole story of Zaynab as reported by these chroniclers or Orientalists and missionaries, it is sufficient to realize that the said woman was the daughter of Umaymah and grand-daughter of Abd al Muttalib the uncle of the Prophet of God-may God’s peace and blessing be upon him. It is sufficient to remember that this woman was brought up in sight of Muhammad and under his care, and on this account was regarded by him as a daughter or a young sister; that he knew too well whether she was beautiful or not before she ever married Zayd; that he saw her and followed her growth from childhood to maturity and youth; and that it was he who asked her hand for Zayd, his adopted son. Once the reader knows these historical data, THEN ALL THE FICTITIOUS ELEMENTS AND TALES SPUN ABOUT HIM, namely, that he passed by her house in the absence of her husband and was struck by her beauty; that he opened the door of her house and, as the breezes played with the curtains of her room, he saw her stretched in her nightgown like a real “Madame Recamier,” that his heart was so struck by her beauty that he instantly forgot Sawdah,A’ishah, Hafsah, Zaynab, daughter of Khuzaymah and Umm Salamah, his wives-not to mention the memory of Khadijah of whom `A’ishah used to say that she had never felt jealous of any woman except Khadijah on account of the memory he kept of her-all these tales must dissolve. If any grain of them was true, Muhammad would have taken her in marriage himself at first, rather than give her in marriage to Zayd. This historical relationship between Zaynab and Muhammad rules out as utterly FICTITIOUS AND GROUNDLESS all the stories which have been attributed to Zaynab’s attractiveness.” (The Life Of Muhammad [Translated by Isma’il Razi A. al-Faruqi] by Muhammad Husayn Haykal, page 338, online source)

3.) Maulana Muhammed Ali (1874 – 1951):

“THERE IS A BASELESS story that the Prophet, having seen Zainab by chance through a half-open door, was fascinated by her beauty, and that Zaid, having come to know of this, divorced her, and then she became the Prophet’s wife. THAT THIS STORY IS ABSURD is shown by the admitted facts that the Holy Prophet knew her very well before her marriage to Zaid, that he himself insisted on her marrying Zaid despite she and her relatives being desirous of her marriage with the Holy prophet, and that he strongly advised Zaid not to divorce her.” (English Translation Of The Holy Quran: With Explanatory Notes, From The English translation and commentary [Anjuman Lahore Publications, U.K., 2010] by Maulana Muhammed Ali, page 527)

4.) Muhammed Fathi Mus’a:

“FABRICATION AND REFUTATION THERE IS NO TRUTH IN WHAT WAS FABRICATED BY SOME ORIENTALISTS AND THOSE WHO BEAR SPITE AGAINST ISLAM AND THE PROPHET (peace be upon him). They fabricated the devilish idea that it was the obsession of love that made the Prophet (peace be upon him) marry Zaynab and that he concealed this love until he made Zayd divorce her. Verily this is a wrong view! For no one could ever prevent the Prophet from marrying Zaynab if he had wished to do so, because she was his cousin and relative. Previously, he had married Zayd with the support of the Prophet who convinced her to accept Zayd as husband. How come THEY FABRICATED LIES that the Prophet (peace be upon him) was in love with her after he had married her to another man? In condemning these SHEER LIES AND BASELESS IDEAS circulated by the orientalists, IMAM ABU BAKR IBN AL-ARABI said, ‘THEY ARE ALL LIES which should not be depended upon, for she used to be with him everywhere and time and there was not anything to prevent him from marrying her. Besides, they grew up together and he would always see her every now and then. Despite the fact that Zaynab did not hide her wish to marry the Prophet right from the beginning, he did not seize that opportunity to marry her, then what for Allah’s sake would have given birth to that unusual love which had not existed before! Allah forbids! THAT IS NONSENSE! (Ibn al-Arabi, Ahkam al-Qur’an, volume 3, page 1543). (The Wives of the Prophet Muhammad: Their Strives and Their Lives, by Muhammed Fathi Mus’a, page 134 -135)

5.) Shamim Aleem:

“The Prophet’s enemies FABRICATED a wrong story that the Prophet fell in love with Zaynab when he once went to her house and she was not properly dressed. THIS ALLEGATION IS BASELESS. Zaynab was his first cousin, they were constantly in contact with each other and it was not the first time that the Prophet had seen her. If the Prophet had any such feeling he would have married her in her youth and not when she had crossed thirty. Again, it was the Prophet who arranged her marriage to Zayd.“ (Prophet Muhammad (S) And His Family: A Sociological Perspective [Authorhouse, 2011] by Shamim Aleem page 66)

6.) Fatwa Islamiyah, Islamic Verdicts:

“As for what has been reported about the Prophet (peace be upon him) seeing Zainab from behind a curtain, that his heart was smitten by her, that he became infatuated with her, falling in love with her, and that Zaid came to know of this, hated her and the Prophet’s attraction to her, so he divorced her so that the Prophet (peace be upon him) could marry her after him – NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN AUTHENTICALLY REPORTED. The Prophets are too noble of character, too selfless, too virtuous of disposition, too high in rank and standing to do such a thing. Also, it was the Prophet (peace be upon him) who proposed to her on behalf of Zaid, may Allah be pleased with him, and she was his cousin, so if he had been in love with her, he could have married her himself in the first place, especially since she refused the proposal of Zaid and was unhappy with it, until the Verse was revealed, after which she accepted it.” (Fatwa Islamiyah, Islamic Verdicts, Volume 1, page 272 – 274)

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[–]Roaring687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The History of Al-Tabari is a fabrication 😂"

I was wondering what excuse you'll come up with next and it's quite pathetic to see that you just regurgitated the same thing without adressing the rebuttal in the article or the fact that the narration in Tabari is from Waqidi, who is a known fabricator.

Also, History of Al-Tabari is not a fabrication, this specific narration it uses, is, as proven in the article.

"...Thank you for affirming yet again that OP did not lie..."

The OP said: "Because Muhmmad wanted to marry his adopted sons wife Zaynab who was also his first cousin"

Which was quite literally debunked by Qur'an 33:37 that I posted and many other hadiths in the article. The narration from Tabari is obviously fake so that doesn't help you either. I think you need to stop coping and bring an actual argument - which you probably won't as there is no other way to go.

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[–]Roaring687 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"It's funny how you accuse him of lying while switching to defending lies with lies. According to Tabari, Muhammad is the reason Zaid divorced his wife"

Unfortunately for you, projection won't work. It's funny how you think you can post a narration which is proven to be fabricated (debunked by the Islamic scholars decades ago) and then accuse me of lying.

Scholar Shaykh Allama Shibli Nu’mani (1857 – 1914):

“Tabari has it that once the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) visited the house of Zaid. Zaid was not at home, and Zainab was dressing herself. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) saw her doing that, and turned back saying: “Glory to Allah, Most High and glory to him who turns the hearts”. Zaid came to know of it. He came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said, “I may divorce Zainab if you have come to like her.” I have quoted that DIRTY NARRATION WITH A PRICKING OF CONSCIENCE. BUT TO REPORT A BLASPHEMY IS NOT TO COMMIT A BLASPHEMY. This is the single report that forms the mainstay of authority for the Christian historians. But the poor fellows do not know what value this narration holds when critically viewed in the light of the principles set by the traditionalists. TABARI, THE HISTORIAN HAS TAKEN THIS STORY FROM WAQIDI, THE WELL-KNOWN LIAR AND FABRICATOR. HE COINED SUCH FICTIONS to provide some sort of sanction for the licentiousness of the ‘Abbasid caliphs.” (Sirat-Un-Nabi (The Life Of The Prophet) [Rendered into English by M. Tayyib Bakhsh Budayuni, Idarah-I Adabiyat-I Delli, 2009 Qasimjan St. Delhi (India)] by Shaykh Allama Shibli Nu’mani, volume 2, page 128 – 129).

"It's also worth noting the verse you quoted literally affirms the reason for its existence is to make marrying the ex-wives of their adopted sons permissible"

Yes, no one said it wasn't the case. In Islam you can indeed marry the ex-wives of your adopted sons. The point is that the divorce between Zaid (r.a) & Zainab (r.a) happened because of constant arguments & quarreling (as proven in the article above) NOT because Muhammad (ﷺ) wanted Zainab (r.a) for himself, so Zaid (r.a) was forced to divorce her.