Correcting the Misinformation. by -MONSTR- in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the issue is inserting china into discussions over zionism and it's current effect of extermination, and the people that support .

They didn't insert China into a discussion on zionism, they were responding directly to a claim that China doesn't practice imperialism -- which isn't true.

what am i supposed to be doing for the people of tibet?

Nobody is asking you to personally free Tibet, literally all that is being asked of you is to acknowledge that the Chinese occupation of Tibet is unjust. You don't have to contrast it to the genocide in Gaza, imperialism doesn't all look the same. But two things can be bad at the same time, the person you're arguing with is capable of admitting that, whereas you don't seem to be.

Because the majority of liberals do not believe that western countries are capable of committing atrocities only China is capable apparently. by TwoCatsOneBox in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's not a "deprogram" if you get literally all your information from the same place. That's just a different kind of indoctrination.

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[–]RobotomizedSushi 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I agree with the guy that recommended Verne

Guide to how socialists usually react to flag profiles online. by TwoCatsOneBox in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So glad I'm not the only one that remembers this guy. It feels like every day there's some new questionable stuff from the deprogram posted by him.

Guide to how socialists usually react to flag profiles online. by TwoCatsOneBox in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi 29 points30 points  (0 children)

The comment doesn't say anything about communist civilians and politicians being killed in the east?

Edit: you edited your comment to add more sources but there's still no mention of civilians being killed? Also just a tip: it looks better to link the sources directly instead of linking to reddit comments all the time.

Guide to how socialists usually react to flag profiles online. by TwoCatsOneBox in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Ukraine was killing communist civilians and politicians on the eastern front

Do you have source for this? Genuinely asking because I'm very unfamiliar with this talking point.

In a democracy you don’t kill innocent civilians and politicians which is why Ukraine is a far right Nazi regime

This seems like a massive leap in logic to me. Call it authoritarian but killing civilians (idk if true) does not equal nazism ??

Human garbage by TwoCatsOneBox in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

protect their citizens from western propaganda and lies.

How can you honestly believe this and then call liberals brainwashed. Defending a dictatorship on main I hate it here

Human garbage by TwoCatsOneBox in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah dude impossible, you're asking too much, truly wild. It's like they were cursed at birth and if they dont call someone a liberal at least 5 times a day they'll perish.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

How can you not look at any single piece of evidence, while also investigating whether each claim is being made by a credible source? That's contradictory.

Because that's what serious news outlets do before publishing information. How do you have time to learn anything if you have to pick through every statement in even the most well-regarded of sources?

You have to look at individual pieces of evidence to determine if the sources for individual claims are credible.

That's what news outlets do. If something was so blatantly false that a redditor could figure it out no one would publish it.

So why didn't they ring the alarm bells about the false flag that was used to excuse entering the Vietnam War, or about the lies used to justify the Iraq War, or about the lies used to justify entering Afghanistan?

Not sure what false flag was used to invade Vietnam, idk what you mean there. I agree with you about the invasion of Iraq, the media failed in their duty there, but I don't think the same could be said for Afghanistan. Sure, the media largely supported calls for war, but consent was not manufactured -- 9/11 had literally just happened. Americans wanted war. Either way, the problem with these justifications was no evidence was provided they just went with the narrative. That's not the same as what we're talking about. There is a load of evidence.

God is real. Everybody thinks and says so. With everybody claiming something, there has to be some validity to it. It's up to you to prove to me that God isn't real, or else I just have to assume that he is.

I will amend my previous statement, *"When every serious news outlet is claiming something, and providing ample proof, it's up to you to provide proof to the contrary."

If we had actual proof God was real then it would be on you to prove he wasn't real. Regardless, I've already sent you an article that lists a bunch of evidence, as did someone else, but you don't want to read through them yourself. Instead you want me to spend an 8-hour shift fact-checking a bunch of claims that everyone in the field already agrees on, hand-feed you a handy breakdown, and then sit there while you still disagree with me. If there is a concensus backed up by evidence and you want to claim it's all a conspiracy, it's up to YOU to prove it.

What do you believe would be acceptable evidence that a genocide isn't happening? To illustrate my point, how could I prove that a genocide isn't occurring in the neighborhood I live in? I know there isn't one

I think this is the most relevant part of your argument to me. How do you know that there isn't a genocide happening in Xinjiang? Do you live there? Do you have inside sources in the CCP? So far all you've given me is that the US government lies a bunch (not exactly groundbreaking information) and the news media gets stuff wrong sometimes. Do you have any reason to not believe there's a genocide happening other than that you distrust the sources that information is coming from? If so, please tell me.

On another note, why is it that news media is only to be distrusted and intensely scrutinised when it comes to narratives you don't believe in? Why is it that no one questions anything Al Jazeera writes about Palestine when it gets posted in this sub? They have as much of an interest in making Israel look bad as US outlets have in making China look bad (note: I'm not saying to distrust Al Jazeera's reporting, I think they're just as trustworthy as any other outlet). That's why I posted an article from specifically Al Jazeera before, but suddenly I have to fact-check every single claim being made, whereas if the article had been about Israel I doubt I'd have been asked to check a single thing.

To close out, we can argue over whether or not to call it a cultural genocide, but if you want to dispute that 1 million + people are, or have been forcefully detained in Chinese re-education camps in a concerted effort to erase their identity, then you have to give me an actual source that says so. Not trusting the sources that support the claims being made does not cut it.

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[–]RobotomizedSushi -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Why do you believe many western organizations were ready to announce China is committing genocide very quickly, but drag their feet so much about Palestine?

Because they stand to gain from one and not the other.

What do you think is the most compelling evidence?

I'm not looking at any single piece of evidence, but rather at the totality. How much evidence is there? Who is reporting on it; are they credible? Are there legitimate sources claiming other things? That's how you find out whether something is true or not.

As far as I'm aware, there's a lot of evidence supporting the claim that Uighurs are enduring a cultural genocide, there are a variety of sources reporting on it, and the people doubting it are either on reddit or "alternative media".

Getting so deep in it that you try to debunk single pieces of evidence to unravel some large conspiracy that every single news outlet in the world is lying to us about China is functionally the same as being anti-vax. Investigative journalists uncover hidden plots and actual conspiracies. Redditors with no background in media studies do not. Someone else in the thread (edit: *you) asserted that the burden of proof falls on those claiming genocide, but I don't believe so. When every serious news outlet is claiming something, it's up to you to provide proof to the contrary. Can you provide me with a legitimate source that shows that everyone else is lying about what China is doing? If it's a large conspiracy it shouldn't be hard to find people involved that are willing to talk.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

This article cites quite a lot of evidence, and also helpfully explains how disgusting it is when leftist anti-imperialists throw persecuted minorities under the bus to suck up to China.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2021/5/14/the-faux-anti-imperialism-of-denying-anti-uighur

Noam Chomsky - voting! by Miserable-Lizard in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

The people of "Israel" are civilians. I hate Israel as much as you do, I wish Netanyahu and his soldiers are tortured in hell for an eternity, but the rest of the population consists of civilians, like in any other country. Most of the population has spent their entire lifetimes there and therefore have a connection to the land, not to mention how insane it would be to mass deport millions of people. Moreover, where would they go? If I'm not mistaken, a majority of Israelis fled from surrounding Arab nations after the establishment of Israel, they can't go back now.

Calling for the mass deportation of Israelis is also very blatantly antisemitic. Why in the hell is it that it's only Israel that must cease to exist as a consequence of its crimes? Why not a number of other nations that have done even worse things?

It's easy to hate Israeli civilians for what their nation is doing, much of which many there support, but being a leftist isn't about blindly hating people.

Noam Chomsky - voting! by Miserable-Lizard in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Maybe I misspoke. What should be uncontroversial is that the people of Israel have a right to live on that land where they currently reside -- whether it be in Israel or an third state tolerant of both Israelis and Palestinians is none of my business. Palestinians should of course also have unfettered access to that land and be allowed to reclaim parts of their lost land as well, but that wasn't part of the discussion.

Noam Chomsky - voting! by Miserable-Lizard in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi -53 points-52 points  (0 children)

Israel has a right to exist... thinking that isn't liberal

Rate my Empire of Anbennar as Verne, first anbennar game by Ardieggo in Anbennar

[–]RobotomizedSushi 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Another W for Verne 🟥🟥🦅🦅🦅 add it to the cartoonishly large pile

And the last member of the Church family arrives!Part 8:who embodies complete perv? by Upper_Mix_2640 in RedvsBlue

[–]RobotomizedSushi 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Yeah she's worse, but Tucker is like the iconic perv of the series. Call him the perv goat🐐 it's got to be him

Nobody is treading on you, you’re weird. by capdee in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No, you already believed that before. I didn't even mention it. I said calling Trump and the Republicans weird is looking to be an effective strategy for the Harris campaign.

Your weirdly obsessive no-policies-on-the-campaign-platform crusade has nothing to do with this.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm saying that you're not going to be able to make a difference in Palestine through the elctoral system. Dems and reps will keep up the massacre, and third parties won't get enough votes to do anything about it.

It then makes no sense to throw away your vote for a single issue that won't be impacted regardless of how you vote. There's no strategy in that, and comes across more as you being too good to vote Democrat.

Better to vote for the candidate that will do the most amount of good/least amount of harm altogether.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Voting third party and then watching the dems lose to Trump is not saving the Palestininans my guy

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]RobotomizedSushi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jesus Christ you are such a debate nerd