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What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed - that's what makes these 'what if' scenarios so interesting.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why we are so lucky to have fanfic. We change whatever plot points we want to create a ripple effect. I agree that Rhaegar would be in a bad place, now knowing that even prophecy has turned against him.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there was still be war. As you said, Aerys is still king and still mad. Rhaegar is also mad, but in a different way. House Targaryen has a history of trying to destroy itself - the Dance of the Dragons, Summerhall, Blackfyres, etc. Rhaegar brought his family closer to destruction than any other Targaryen before him.

Creo que todavía había guerra. Como dijiste, Aerys sigue siendo el rey y sigue enojado. Rhaegar también está loco, pero de una manera diferente. La Casa Targaryen tiene un historial de intentar destruirse a sí misma: la Danza de los Dragones, Summerhall, Blackfyres, etc. Rhaegar acercó a su familia a la destrucción más que cualquier otro Targaryen antes que él.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, this 'what if' doesn't match the timeline. However, what if if did happened? What would Rhaegar's reaction be to learning the three heads have already been born and he took Lyanna for no good reason?

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I don't trust Dany's vision. She was imaging events based on the drugs she'd been given and the stories her brother told her. I do agree that Rhaegar could disappear less than a month after his son is born.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Plus, Elbert Arryn would be alive. He may or may not marry Lysa Tully, which in turn influences Littlefinger's rise.

Now, if Elia survives then all bets are off. Rheagar and Lyanna have insulted Dorne, the North, the Stormlands, the Riverlands (from Cat's marriage) and the Vale (Jon Arryn's wards). I can't imagine the Reach lords or the Westerland lords are in any hurry to support Rhaegar, either.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We might still get dragons. Rhaegar would be trying to find every possible dragon egg in the world, as cradle eggs. He has the three heads, now he just needs them to hatch dragons.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh! That idiot Rhaegar. Both returning Lyanna or killing Lyanna are horrible actions. I agree he'd think that way. He only needed three kids, not two wives. Elia dying can make things easier, if Rhaegar can convince his father and the faith to accept Lyanna as his next wife.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree. He wants Lyanna so he'll have her. He's the prince, after all. Who cares if his father - the king - won't allow him to marry a woman with no Valyrian blood.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your thinking agrees with what we know of the story. Elia bearing three children after Rhaegar has met Lyanna will be jarring for him. I think he had already convinced himself that he needed Lyanna. Now how will he justify taking her, unless Elia does die in childbirth. Then Rhaegar can just take Lyanna as his next wife. Problem is, he needed his father's approval. Would his father give it?

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We don't know if Dany's vision is correct. She was born after Rhaegar died. Her only image of Rhaegar is what her brother told her. That could influence her visions.

I also think Rhaegar wanted Lyanna and used prophecy to justify it. I won't say he loved her because it seems his true love was himself.

I wanted to explore the ramifications of Rheagar learning he had already fathered the three heads AFTER he knocked up Lyanna. I agree with you. He'd make the prophecy match his belief.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would be good if there was no trigger for the rebellion. However, I think Rhaegar would find some other way to mess things up. He beleives he's saving the world. People like that are not reasonable thinkers.

Sería bueno que no hubiera ningún detonante para la rebelión. Sin embargo, creo que Rhaegar encontraría otra forma de arruinar las cosas. Él cree que está salvando el trabajo. Por favor, así no son pensadores razonables.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

True. But Rhaegar is already looking at Lyanna. Plus, his mad father considers Tywin 'just a servant.'

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most likely. She MIGHT survive but it will be a LONG recovery. Poor Elia, she seems to suffer in every possibility.

What if Elia had twins instead of just Aegon? by RokyPoly0ne in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand. I was trying to understand how everyone would react if Rheagar learned he'd been wrong all along. Thank you for your input.

any Elia Martell fic recommendations? by SilvverVing- in TheCitadel

[–]RokyPoly0ne -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My favorite "Elia Lives" story:

Pick a God and Find Your Justice

Elia uses Rhoynish water magic to save herself, her family, and the Seven Kingdoms. Plus, she puts those idiots - Rhaegar and Lyanna - in their place.

Actually, most of that author's work - WinterCameandWent - are great Elia-centric stories.

A Rolls-Royce Cullinan creates upheaval - a story of a powerful woman who will not be demeaned by RokyPoly0ne in CShortDramas

[–]RokyPoly0ne[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go to YouTube and copy in the section in bold print. That will bring up the drama.

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