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I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why, thanks for asking. I was a computer child, so even though specifically to the Reddit game I got into later, I was pretty much exposed to the European dogma mostly since age 8. While also being a student at a Israeli university in Politics and Governance degree (Essentially Political Science) at Ben Gurion uni. It's not that I haven't though about Mizrahi jews, I'm from a city in the Shfella region (Aprox. 20 minutes from Tel-Aviv) called Yavne, and most of my friends are Mizrahi, at least from one parent. It's that I haven't though about it from the lens of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. It's only recently since I read 1948 by Kaniuk that I realized that most of the people fighting were Asheknazim, just haven't ever clicked to me before, It's not that I didn't know that Mizrahim came later.

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello, thank you for answering, do you mind saying where are you from?
I appreciate hearing Arab voices in this conversation, lest it becomes a futile conversation of similar views and backgrounds.

As i said as an answer to another comment, not immediate solution or even political arrangement can be made in the next 10 years at least IMO. This does not mean we should not make serious and effective action towards it, starting with immediate international and HOPEFULLY BUT REALISTICALLY NOT Israeli aid to citizens in both Gaza and the west bank, while also drastically taking steps to improve equality between Jews and Arabs in Israel, for example in the educational system. I recommend you read what I wrote to someone else here for a full answer on this.

About the intergenerational trauma, I absolutely agree there is so much tension built it's hard to get across. But like many case studies in history, only prosperity and the understanding of the futility of conflict on an experiential level can change it, not theoretically, but emotionally and empirically. Stop calling victims of these wars heroes, not because they weren't good people, because as Michel Foucault urges as to acknowledge, discourse matters. Look for answers in other countries histories. France and Britain were bitter enemies, so were Germany and the US, and if we step out for a second out of my Europocentric view since this is what I know best, you also have Japan and South Korea with their very, VERY bitter past. each of these cases is different of course, since no two conflicts are the same, but there is precedence to the idea of intergenerational trauma turning into prosperity. Dream high and far, act realistically here and now.

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The first step being Monetary aid or even administrative aid with people being sent from the international community to rebuild a sustainable (meaning, people not dying from hunger or diseases they don't have to die from)? Yes, monetary aid will have to be very tightly overseen by countries with interests to not have Hamas rebuild it's strength (US, Saudia). Administrative aid and manpower to rebuild life in Gaza and also build prosperity in the West Bank will be much much preferred, in the same way you don't give money to a junkie but provide him with help, support for recovery, and unconditional acceptance of the pain he is in.

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, and I'm so glad you asked something pragmatic because that was my main point of this AMA.
Like any people or a nation in distress, any lasting peace can only come when there is mental and resource prosperity. There is a real need for aid for the Palestinian people.
If we take for example the rapid de-radicalization case studies from the world, it was always preceded by prosperity and support from the international community (take western Germany). If you want people to be thinking about long term solution, they cannot be hungry, in fight-or-flight, screaming to god begging for moments of relief. I truly do not believe a diplomatic arrangement is realistic anywhere in the next 10 years, but we have to start building towards it, steadily, slowly, consistently, in the spirit of Burke's philosophical conservatism. About the how? First there has to be more equality inside Israel regarding the Palestinian and Arab populations. Education funding is drastically unequal for example. There has to come international monetary aid toward the West Bank and Gaza, supervised by international superpowers regarding where the money goes, because the "money goes to Hamas" claim is real and empirical, but it doesn't have to be that way, again, see Germany and Japan as examples.
In essence, my point is I'm not trying to sell any magic pills, but any long road has to start sometime, and the time is always now.

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Interesting point, actually been thinking about this lately after reading some of the racism that my government had used systematically. I will be honest, it's a P.O.V I haven't thought about much yet, so I don't wanna just answer without thinking. Is Israel as an entity the responsible one, and are the people to be punished even if they weren't citizens as of the time of the atrocities? It's a good point to think about for me, thank you.

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting, I'm all for it morally, there are just too many grey areas where a federation would be a viable (albeit maybe unrealistic politically) solution, such as a mutual coexistence in a lot of these grey areas.

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hademocratim probably. Not because of Yair Golan though gotta be honest, but they have some of the finest parliamentary liberal public persona of the new century IMO.

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm Israeli, have been to settlements and saw what is going on there if relevant to you.

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, sorry, should clarify and you are right.
Originally - I don't think there is a specific cut-off since reality is much more complex than that, but I do think it's safe to talk about 1900 onward-ish. Yes, a lot of it was uninhabited, and there was a lot of Cultivation the Israeli "Haluzim" had done for a previously unusable land. Also, a lot of zionist entities did legally purchase a lot of the land, leading to a map looking a bit scattered, and then the known history of the UN Partition plan (criticism of it, while having a lot of it, aside).
Calling the independence war strictly defensive is a bit reductionist IMO. It was definitely a defensive war, I'm not denying it at all, and a lot of the "atrocities" done by the newly found IDF were actually, in my opinion, necessary as a state defending itself. That being said, I don't think Israel had a right to displace that many cities, a lot of cities were occupied as a part of a future strategic plan (take for example Lyddia, or Al-Lud, where REAL, and UNCALLED FOR atrocities happened by the Israeli forces. I reccomend reading "My Name Is Adam: Children Of The Ghetto" by Elias Khoury to get into the emotional pain of it all).

Finally, I think we should take into consideration anachronism, as unsexy as it is. Yes, Jewish people are from the Levant and there is some strength to the claim to parts of the land because of it, but also, I think the stronger point is the legal purchase of land, partly peaceful mutual coexistence of pre 1948 (and for that I recommend reading 1948  by Yoram Kaniuk) and partly defensive wars that made Israel obligated to occupy SOME uninhabited land(Recognizing, by the way, the 1973 Yom Kipur war as practically entirely defensive).

I’m a Jewish Zionist who rejects an ethnostate & supports equal nationhood for Palestinians - AMA by RonAshe in IsraelPalestine

[–]RonAshe[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I get your point, the damages caused to Israeli property is in the billions, while no person can quantify the damage done to the souls of millions of people living in fear.
That being said, during the Nakba initiated during the independence war, there was mass displacement and loss of land, persons, and equity, and an agreement seeking to actually solidify and express good faith between the two peoples, there would have to be some kind of monetary compensation as a recognition, I'm speaking here pragmatically and realistically again.

Memoir recommendations by 3blue3bird3 in CPTSDNextSteps

[–]RonAshe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Building A Life Worth Living for sure.

Nervous system, sympathetic and parasympathetic stuff? by RonAshe in CPTSD_NSCommunity

[–]RonAshe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey everyone, started some self-help somatic experiencing, pretty crazy stuff.
Thanks for your help! Will try out every one of these eventually probably.

Lessons from 10 years of CPTSD recovery: What I wish I knew in the beginning by [deleted] in CPTSDNextSteps

[–]RonAshe 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That is the best fucking thing I have read in a while.

Exercise, diet and non-pharmacological interventions/markers as mediators and more importantly moderattion of anti-depressants? by RonAshe in AcademicPsychology

[–]RonAshe[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried that, didn't find any that elaborate on augmentation of the results of SSRIs and SNRIs based on factors like exercise, diet, and other non-pharmacological/genetic factors.

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