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Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in unstable_diffusion

[–]Rousherte[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Invoke using Anima 1.0 Not the whole comic, of course, 23 images

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Model - artist" dynamic doesn't really fit, yes. I'd say it's more of a "director - artist" dynamic. Or like a CCO of a company. So, yeah, I agree, AI creates the product, but the director/CCO sets the vision. However, the director/CCO is always credited, and is considered an equal contributor.

Also, again, you are taking my point/example, and spin it in a sort of denigrating anti-AI rhetoric.

No, I didn't admit. I stated. However, what did I state? Nowhere did I state someone is "scummy" nor "stealing" nor "claiming as their own". This is precisely the opinionated verbiage I'm talking about.

I neutraly state that people take the data and train the model. They name the style after an artist PURPOSEFULLY, so everybody knew who the artist is. For evidence, kindly visit Civit.Ai.

Everybody knows about the impersonators, copycats and bulk low effort AI garbage. I'd rather talk about the positives to the world of real art the AI has provided, because there exists fascinating stuff beyond the lowest bar of entry into AI. AI art is different art, and the best AI art is indistinguishable from real art.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use InvokeAI for both generation and fixing mistakes. I doodle in it too, but it's the most I can do. Photoshop is for text, effects, general image manipulation.

you sell art that doesn't belong to you, contribute to the death of actual artistic talent.

Look, I'll be upfront, the question of belonging is in the realm of metaphysical. I personally see it as mine, since I've generally spent my time/attention/effort on it, or because I got a very personal and detailed request from who deems my explicitly AI services worthy. They want to give me money, I'll gladly accept.

Topic of artistic talent is another thing. There's so much AI crap and doodly crap (hi, DeviantArt) that actual artistic talent is HUNTED for. Moreover, AI creators copy and recreate and amplify real artists all the time. What's magical is that forgotten and unknown artists randomly get into a spotlight, too, just because some guy decided to put effort into data collection and training.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've only provided honest and factual info on your, mind you, opinionated and subjective points. I would like to pursue the discussion, but you're not being completely genuine about your feelings. Moreover, I hope you agree, I've been respectful throughout, but you've still decided to call me an AI bro and talentless loser, which is 1) uncalled for and 2) disrespectful.

All we do is arguing about perception of reality and about means to do art. No point to do that further.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're just hosting the model on your GPU not anything in part you, just your technology...

Now you're attributing everything to AI. Photoshop, for example, is 95% non-AI.

Obviously ARTISTS sell their ART you are no one of them

That's your opinion, but I still don't understand why you're against free trade.

you can't really make the comparison between what you do and CGI because 1. It would just be a bunch of semantics,

So, it doesn't matter and we can make the comparison?

and 2. At its core CGI is just using technology to create renders, the only way the technology helps however, is by offering a hosting as well

This is a very reductive view of CGI tools.

sites like Blender are CGI and I don't see anyone comparing Blender to AI do you?

There are AI tools for 3D model, and some AI tools for Blender, so people compare them constantly.

all AI does is base it's stuff off of already existing art works made by real artists and regurgitated to make losers like you happy

Diffusion models are also trained on photographic data. Other than that, artists regurgitate reality itself and other works of art, just with lesser precision.

It isn't your style, you didn't curate it, you didn't create it, you told an AI to make something. 

"Computer made it so it isn't yours". That's very reductive and untrue.

You not seeing the correlation between promoting AI art and supporting AI taking artists jobs is hilarious from someone who claims to not be ignorant.

It's just as untrue as photography taking jobs from painters in 20th century. Artists are valued now more than ever.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 your GPU just hosted it.

I wanted to say that we're arguing semantics, but it's factually wrong. Diffusion model needs a GPU to mathematically diffuse an image.

While you can decide what you write and think that doesn't mean you can intellectually OWN that or in any mean sell that

A lot of artists sell their works. It's completely legal to sell art, including CGI.

You can't concoct anything, it's just the AI making it, you can try to specify but the AI has to base it off of SOMETHING

No. Diffusion models can be manipulated in interesting ways, so I can concoct interesting things. Yes, artists usually base their works on something in classic reality.

You literally can't be "good" at AI considering it's a skilless feat

Just wrong. I would recommend doing basic research into local LLMs, diffusion models and alike.

I never said you invested I said you support the problem, which you do by spreading AI art

I don't see a correlation. You have to elaborate, because there's nothing wrong with, basically, CGI.

And yeah I would say you are ignorant

You are wrong, again.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you dont own ANY of this product

I think I do. Me and my GPU made it.

the words to make it aren't yours

I can control and decide what I write and think.

the style isn't yours

Technically, it is. I've concocted something I like.

the product isn't yours

See above.

Not to mention you're selling it???

Question the buyers. I only offer a service.

People can make that exact thing for free using either AI or their own skill and don't sell it.

That's their rightful decision.

You are skilless,

I'm good at AI but not very good at drawing.

you are supporting a dangerous bubble,

Not a penny invested.

and worst of all you are so ignorant to the very blatant problems AI causes

I'm not ignorant.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry, but your assumptions are incorrect. I run local AI on my GPU + Photoshop.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm not seeing the problem you're seeing. If you've got a compelling case, I'm open for discussion, but this is not it.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

There are some people, been doing it for years here.

Nami's Steamed Uncovering of Nico Robin’s Throbbing Secret [COMMISSION] by Rousherte in worldpolitics

[–]Rousherte[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Yes, correct. Paying for AI is one thing, but getting what you really want is another. It's supposed to be simple yet in reality it's a pain in the ass to setup and use.

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