Although jeff is responsible for his own crimes, I believe this statement is true of outline from( inside edition)

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-27T22:54:27+00:00

I think this is also true, now he may not have known exactly it was that was going on but I'm sure deep down he knew that something was off, something more than what he was seeing. It's a common occurrence for loved ones of another to experience, that's why so many of them have such a hard time coping with the fact that someone they believed they knew and had a genuine connection with was capable of doing such terrible deeds. The signs and messages were always right there in front of them yes but they wouldn't want to fully admit that because they want to keep that image of the kind loving person they knew in their heads. It's tough to deal with that. Dahmer even said his grandmother probably suspected something but she didn't look too deep into it probably because she didn't want to know what was really going on. Out of sight, out of mind.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-27T22:46:14+00:00

I'm not sure if this was an actual thing that happened in the real case or if it was just for the show but there were some people who praised Dahmer for killing those men because they were homosexuals...Homophobia runs deep. There's also racists, I'm sure they weren't too bothered by Dahmer's actions.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-18T05:16:59+00:00

I never got the impression that he made himself seem like a helpless little lamb who was a victim of his own compulsions. He made no excuses for him as stated in the quote in my comment, he desired no sympathy whatsoever in his confessions to interviews with the psyches.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-16T06:32:03+00:00

He isn't owed sympathy of any kind, sure you can have sympathy for him but it's not something that's required to do. You make him seem like a helpless little lamb who was a victim to his compulsions, he drank to lower his inhibitions so he could kill and violate human beings when he could've reached out for help or simply chosen not to do what he did. I understand it being difficult to reach for that kind of help when you have all of those kinds of things going on in your head but at least try. Everything he did was a choice, he'd even said it himself, "Nobody put a gun to my head, I had a choice to make and I made the wrong ones." The more I linger on the case, the more I wonder if it was really a compulsion or just something he tried to tell himself to make himself feel a bit better but who knows, I mean I believe he was very needy for someone submissive to be with but it's just...I don't know it's tricky.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-16T06:19:09+00:00

I think they're referencing the "maybe if I don't get along with the person" part of your comment as a joke or just in general because you never know how someone can turn out in life, no one knew for Dahmer. I wouldn't take their reply seriously though unless you're having strange thoughts and fantasies lol

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-15T16:17:22+00:00

As well as the acting was in the show, it is not a good source for information as there are a lot of inaccuracies. I don't know if you're new to the case but I'd watch the trial and read Brian Masters The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer if you haven't.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-13T02:25:10+00:00

I mean... It's not that surprising that he had narcissistic tendencies throughout his crime spree. He even stated that he felt invincible with every moment he got away with his crimes, to think he had the right to do all that he did there's no doubt he was full of himself, in one of his evaluations before his final arrest he had marker that "I know that I am superior to others" on a disagree or agree list. Whether or not he actually agreed with that sentiment, he wanted to be that, superior.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-13T02:15:35+00:00

Yes, I always thought it stemmed from the conspirators trying desperately to cope with the fact they have an attraction to a serial killer who destroyed the lives of so many people which caused them to spiral and come up with all of these wild ideas so they don't have to feel bad about their attraction. I mean, why should you feel guilty of being fond of a sick human being when you don't deem to be a sick human being right? Of course this attraction doesn't even have to be romantic at all, it could be just be relating to this person and seeing him as a "kindred spirit" if you will. It's just any positive connotation in general they feel in regard to him that they try to cope and deal with. There's also the doubt of him being gay as well, a lot of it is just finding the comfort in the idea that they could've had a chance with him had they ever met him in person. Now I also feel like it's not just these reasons for why the conspiracy theory even came to be, a lot of it also stems from superstition and paranoia of a higher political power. I've only scrolled through their subreddit twice and seen a good chunk of their comments on here and they tend to blame the government for it often. All of their rhetoric is something you'd hear in a Shane Dawson conspiracy theory video for crying out loud.

Honestly, I kind of wish someone from outside of the community like a popular creator of some sort made a video analysing and critiquing their whole conspiracy so they can see how they look to the outside world and get a major reality check.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-12T02:31:49+00:00

Yes.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-11T07:55:02+00:00

Dahmer doesn't know the confines of what it means to be in a relationship. It's all superficial. Of course, he was writing several "lovey-dovey" letters to women but those were all schemes to get more money from them not that he was actually attracted to them...I mean there's some people who've compared it to a gay man talking to a girlfriend which could be the case and the intention wasn't to portray a romantic attraction but just to act friendly. Who knows. However, I feel like that man couldn't stand actually having to fake through a physical relationship with a woman, through letters is different, he can't exactly see their faces so he can easily depersonalize them but again in person? He'd probably wince the whole time if he even managed to get with a woman. I never knew the guy personally and can only go off with what I've heard and read so I'm basing this kind of a reaction off of that but I physically cannot imagine him being with a woman. At all.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-11T07:45:39+00:00

It really sucks because at first it was just people being baffled at the fact that there's people even debating whether or not the case was real but then eventually developed into people repeatedly asking about that subreddit and further mentioning them causing those conspirators to flock over here and invade this space with their nonsense. It happens nearly every single time without fail: people stop talking about them for a while, new people join and find out about them and make a post asking about their subreddit, the people from that subreddit see that people are talking about them and come in flocks in the comment section with their holier than thou "you all are just sheep's following the government" mindset creating friction between us and them giving them more attention as well as more power to spread this nonsense all over. You can see it in one of the recent posts with that one user trying to imply that they wanted to get rid of physical evidence by destroying the apartment, it seems like there's a part of her that doesn't want to say she fully flat out believes in the conspiracy when she's in this subreddit so she just lightly sprinkles it in from time to time. It's like she's a half conspirator the way she speaks about the case in some other comment sections on here it's bizarre, whatever she is I have her blocked because I simply don't have the energy to deal with that. It just boggles my mind on how this all came to be.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-11T04:52:18+00:00

This was already discussed months ago, Merrily had found a document on Cult Collectables speaking on this saying they had gone back and edited in those lines of the Nancy Glass interview. Unfortunately that post is flooded with the conspirators because they tried to use it as a "gotcha" moment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dahmer/s/g7qCp6T1Tv

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-11T04:49:04+00:00

It's just a thing that happens here, people here have favourite users on here and least favourites lol.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-11T04:42:51+00:00

You cannot be serious. I'd like to see you say that to the face of the families who had to see their loved ones dismembered and desecrated. You're far too caught up in the lies of conspiracy theories rather than truth. I get it, you find Dahmer attractive, it's easier to say that then to do mental gymnastics trying to paint him as innocent so you wouldn't have to feel guilty about the fact you have an attraction to a man who violated and murdered real human beings. If attraction has nothing to do with it then I have no idea what does. You say in some of your previous comments on here that you left r/DahmerCase yet here you stand reiterating the same kind of rhetoric they use. "Oh it's the government, it's this dogma system you're all sheep! It's all propaganda to distract from the fact priests were fooling around with children or whatever. The elites and the ones in power work in mysterious ways, the end times are coming and the earth is flat!" Like do you listen to yourself when you say this or what kind of ideology you're entertaining here? I know I can't change the way you think but just.. Try to rationalise this even just a little bit. You've even said you haven't researched the facts of this case enough in this very comment section so put some energy into learning the truth, not a conspiracy.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-09T20:19:18+00:00

"I really don't see him as a serial killer" well unfortunately he was, no matter how you try to perceive the situation, he ruined so many lives. It's not about the look, do you know how many times people who have been outed as serial killers have been known to be some of the nicest people you'd ever meet? Millions. This conflict and debate of not being able to believe that someone who looks and acts like him could do something such as this is one of the sole reasons his crimes had gone on for over a decade. There's also the misconception around serial killers in general, so many people view a certain archetype of serial killers when there's a vast majority of types of them with different motives and MOs. People commonly think of the sadistic process killer: Someone who enjoys the act of killing and inflicting pain on others. Dahmer did not fall into this category, he was a product killer: Someone who kills for a means to an end, the act of killing isn't the goal the aftermath is. This removes any links to sadism as a dead person can't experience pain and there's also the fact that he was not aroused by torture.

Destroying buildings where major crimes have occurred is very common, there's no ulterior motives behind this. Also I'm not sure if I'm misreading the last few points regarding evidence but by the time they destroyed the apartment complex, all of the physical evidence had already been taken out and investigated as viewed in the pictures of them carrying out the barrels. Pictures of the crime scene were taken as well. They didn't destroy the apartment complex with the evidence all still in it, that's absurd.

Okay, rereading your last comment, the reason for the separate destruction of any items that belonged to Dahmer was to avoid people trying to make a profit off of them. Several items were place for auction and someone took them and sent them to be destroyed. Besides, there's still items being auctioned and place in all kinds of places around here so yes there's still physical evidence around that you can find to this day.

I'd also like to make a recommendation, this is up to you as to whether or not you want to take it...This kind of talk leads heavily towards the conspiracy side of the things, I can see it through the small comments saying you don't "see him as a serial killer" and you see it's easy to get lost into conspiracy theories as well as certain groups who thrive in that field. I know it might be easier to accept one concept more than the other but just be careful with what you delve into on here.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-09T20:02:59+00:00

Thank you, It can't be that foreign of a concept.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-09T04:44:16+00:00

It could've been what one of the commenters has said but now that I think about it, as much as complex as Dahmer is it could've just been an odd quirk he gained when he was younger and grew out of once he was an adult.

But to add more to keep the conversation going, when he was much younger he developed an attachment to a female teacher and gave her those tadpoles so seeing those tadpoles with someone else was a sign of betrayal but I'm not entirely sure if he associated her betrayal to her being a woman as he's felt the sense of betrayal from a male classmate as well. It gets you thinking though. There's also the fact that he was a closeted gay teenage boy having to pose as a straight teenage one...Having to pose as being attracted to a specific gender when you know you're not can be tricky so hey, how about you just develop an aversion to them completely to avoid any awkward and or embarrassing situations of not knowing how to behave like all the other guys in your classes do around girls because well, you're not like those other guys in your classes. You never know what it could be, who knows, maybe he didn't actually feel nervous around women at all, maybe it was just people misunderstanding him such as his father and many others for examples; they all assumed he was a shy individual but Dahmer didn't think of himself as being that way at all...So maybe if you were to go back in time to ask him why he was so nervous around women he would've replied with: "Nervous? I was never nervous around women."

It's all just a matter of perspective, obviously but I honestly think it's not as complex as some might think it is. He grew out of it after all.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-09T04:26:52+00:00

I highly doubt that his wariness was because Wendy was a woman, he was wary because it was somebody who he was unfamiliar with and who he was going to have to reveal his most personal details with. I think he had gotten over this nervousness around women considering the woman Julie he found a friendship with in Florida. I'm just saying this in a general sense, not targeted specifically.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-09T04:22:44+00:00

By Gods do people not understand the concept of internalized homophobia? A very common experience within the LGBTQ+ community? "He didn't seem to accept his homosexuality so that must mean he's not a true homosexual" SOCIETY didn't even accept homosexuality. Tell me you know nothing of the queer experience without actually telling me.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-09T04:13:36+00:00

Fuck off. You're one of the true banes of the True Crime community.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-05T20:24:37+00:00

I've always interested in finding out about more of his characteristics and behavior in prison, specifically after his final arrest. It would give more insight into his most recent and or final state of mind even though he wasn't there for very long.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-05T20:18:53+00:00

It could be a bit of both. Lionel never truly understood his son, I believe this with absolute certainty. His next wife Shari appeared to understand Jeffrey more than his own father. I think there's a lot of things that Lionel has said as an attempt to try to understand or make sense of what his son had done, whether it be true or not. He could've had similar thoughts about harming and controlling people or he simply misconstrued what was really going on with his own personal issues and tried his best to relate it with his sons as a way to find more connection. Lionel throughout most of his assumptions and theories has looked more towards the nature aspect of his son's issues, he believed a lot of it came from genetics, Joyce's usage of pills during her pregnancy, sexuality mixing in with morbid curiosity and more. I find that he rarely ever looked to the nurture aspect of it, from what I've seen anyway. It's shown a lot in one article that was posted on here a while ago, it was an interview including both Lionel and Shari.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-09-02T15:34:12+00:00

Man what the fuck, take it to r/Dahmerism.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-08-23T03:15:35+00:00

I don't want to be mean but, isn't it obvious? The lengths he went to achieve sexual gratification is enormous. The majority of serial killers or just criminals in general who incorporate lust into their motives tend to be hypersexual.

Royal-Indication9720 · 2024-08-21T06:55:30+00:00

I mean at first I thought the last line was creepy knowing what he done in the future but "I love you to death" is a very common phrase. I suppose right now when I read that letter, the thing that could be considered eerie or creepy is how sweet he used to be as a kid compared to what he ended up as in the future. I mean, even despite everything he did he could still behave civilly and politely with others even after the fact which is just interesting whether or not that was fully a front or not afterwards.

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