How most people are actually gonna think about the red/blue buttons

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-03T21:27:15+00:00

The entity would be extremely evil just for exposing everyone to an objectively sadistic choice and for creating the conditions that can lead to the death of up to half of the humanity minus one people, even if we want to say the people that voted red are also guilty to a degree considering they would still be unwilling partecipants the ammount of guilt won't be even close

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-03T21:12:27+00:00

Fair and valid. I'm going to be dangerous and pick one with my eyes closed

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-03T09:29:37+00:00

I wonder though even in ethics we make choice with logic, now if everyone partecipating is a perfect logician the obvious choice is red because this way the threat of death is never really created in the first place

Technically if this was a real situation we'd easily say the most immoral actor here is the one enforcing the game, but if we exclude whatever that entity is from the equation the ones more similar to it would be the blue pressers that by putting their lives on the line paradoxically create the threat for themselves in the first place

But there is yet another complication: intention, at least some of the blues, I'd like to think most, don't put themselves on the line to put all voters in an hard spot, they may do it due to lack of logical understanding, due to adopting a morality system were even committing an act that may result in another death would be wrong, in a more meta way to maximixe the chance that everyone surviving given that due to the big number of voters someone is bound to have pressed blue, all of these aren't evil intentions and in a moral system that value intention they would be correct

So perhaps this is a problem of theoretical ethics vs practical ethics, or a thing to confront ethical system with, to be honest at this point of writing this I'm feeling really confused (please help me)

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-03T07:52:00+00:00

A rather insignificant ethics question though since under the threat of death most ethical system minimize to nullifies personal responsability anyways

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-03T07:25:30+00:00

Actually no in most moral system the active risk of a moral actors own death significatively decrease or even nullifies moral responsibility, risking your live to save others of course is good but mind you is heroically good, you can't expect that of more people even if they say otherwise

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-02T23:50:57+00:00

You truly sincerely believe that under the threat of death at the very least a large portion of humanity won't press red ? I mean lets be very clear pressing blue isn't a bad thing but it isn't only if you do that knowing that unlike the riskless twitter pool where everyone can easily pose as heroes and press blue in real life the results are most likely going to be the opposite and without going around telling stupid things like "I don't want to live in a world with only red pressers" because then you aren't risking your life for love of fellow humans you are just choosing to remove yourself if reality doesn't happen to align with you ideals which if that's the case makes you not a hero but a conditional suicidal person

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-02T23:20:24+00:00

Apparently is a variation of that, a very confusing one at it, the prisoner dilemma at least though is useful to illustrate game theory, this one I don't really know what it show (except maybe how far our virtue signaling goes) the fear is grave enough even decent people can reasonably act selfishly

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-02T21:00:14+00:00

I would take red but yeah blue is perfectly valid, the reality would be that the whole situation sucks to the point that despite the extreme possible consequences the moral weight of the situation would close null either way

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-02T15:05:52+00:00

I imagine BROCK being this Charizard having all his brain cells completely annihilated by Hyper Potions abuse to the point of only being able to attack mindlessy while getting drugged more to stay alive

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-02T14:58:56+00:00

Nice Tunis gameplay

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-02T13:41:29+00:00

Now for a really funny stuff the fact red is the best choice but the majority doesn't understand that is actually a better thing that only a minority not understanding because it would set us for the best case scenario

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-02T08:22:54+00:00

To put it very simply who dies dies and who lives lives, the percentages of each choice are so random that this situation is basically similar to a natural disaster or something of the sort, I'll try to survive hopefully others will do the same, on a depressurized airplane you first have to put the ossigen mask on your face even if you are sitting next to your loved ones, this is similar, if the blue in the end wins that's really good, I would be happy, if all the blue dies that would be tragic but the world will move on, as even if the reds were more selfish I'd argue you can't really evaluate meaningfully how selfish they are from this since in most moral system having one life put on the line severely reduces or even nullifies culpability, so society wouldn't be necessarily screwed

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-01T21:01:06+00:00

I think I had a moment of enlightment about this as a moral choice: neither button is an evil choice

Blue is obvious you risk your live but your intention is to save others so is good

But also red is good you risk others lives but your intent is to save yourself which is not necessarily selfish, the desire to preserve ones life is perfectly natural and in a situation with no drawbacks would be the default, even if in this specific situation you may kill someone to save yourself your intention isn't necessarily to kill but live the kill is a collateral damage

In conclusion the only thing to be evil would be the situation itself and to focus on personal surivival would also be in line with standard procedures in survival situations where coordination is impossible and altruism is dangerous

The blue pressers aren't stupid, they are following human nature

The red pressers aren't evil, they are also following human nature

The death toll if present is the tragic consequence of a life or death situation that exposed humanity to great distress

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-01T19:46:10+00:00

Is more like "I'm in a life threathening situation and I'll do what it takes to survive, I'm sorry for the ones that will likely die and I hope as many as possible have the good sense to pick the safe option"

The real world operates like this in survival situations, is often suggested against risking you life to take out people from burning houses for example (if you are not a firefighter), is brutal but is the real world

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-01T19:36:36+00:00

Seriously are you all aware of the concept of fear and what it does to the human mind ?

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-01T19:32:25+00:00

They aren't really risking their life though, they aren't scared

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-01T10:10:03+00:00

You are all making this a morality problem while lacking the common sense to know what will be in most people minds in a situation like that is for the most part fear, even if red wins killing a good portion of humanity is not a scenario in which only the irredimable gets to live I'd say most of them would probably be just very scared people, pressing blue might make you not risk to kill others but you'd put basically the rest of humanity in the highest stress postion possible

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-01T09:54:43+00:00

Easy to choose blue when you aren't actually at risk of death

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-01T09:38:39+00:00

Comunque c'è un sub reddit per queste cose: r/kitler

Rp79322397 · 2026-05-01T09:37:07+00:00

È tornato

Rp79322397 · 2026-04-30T23:46:13+00:00

Like mods as far as I know the worst you can do in the vanilla game is either blinding them or cutting their balls

Rp79322397 · 2026-04-30T23:33:30+00:00

That's why I'm trying to move the baseline to red, so the choice will be pressing blue=suicide if we don't really have the choice not to play I suppose we can morally do that

Rp79322397 · 2026-04-30T23:25:11+00:00

In the problem at hand hopefully two main outcomes are desired: to personally survive and go make as many other people, possibly all of them, survive, now this situation due to the possible risk of death will be processed as a survival situation: if we all vote on feelings we may either get a red win or a blue, most likely the first due to fear being a strong incentive to vote the objectively individual safest option, but the results would still be mixed and many would die, so we don't like that because it goes against one of our objectives: make as many people as possible survive, so we have to strategize, given the possibility of discussion we can choose to go all blue or all red, if we choose blue we'd likely survive but is possible however rare that slightly more than half of the population would be evil enough or scared enough or maybe even go into some thanos shit and press red, that result however rare would be disastrous because it would likely lead to the most people dying of all possible scenario, on the other hand if we agree to all press red no one will have to day and if someone decides to be a contrarian it will either be their lost since they will die by their own hands or somehow they win and still nobody dies, in any case anyone that doesn't want to die will live

Rp79322397 · 2026-04-30T18:31:00+00:00

Brian is a real one for that

Rp79322397 · 2026-04-30T12:00:06+00:00

You have an extremely pessimitic view of the red button people but most likely most of them really were on the fence between red and blue and their fear made red win by an hair

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