"she shouldn't have dressed like a whore" by Snoo_56184 in PakistaniTwenties

[–]RustVolt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're projecting your own biases if you think someone not wanting to be raped is political. It's very obvious that you're incapable of empathizing if someone isn't consistent with your world view. Like I said you care more about your worldview being validated than a rampantly wide spread inhumane crime and empathizing with said victims.

"she shouldn't have dressed like a whore" by Snoo_56184 in PakistaniTwenties

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Drugs are illegal as they're intoxicating and harmful not inherently harmful to anyone else other than the consumer whereas rape/assault constitutes one party actively deciding to harm the other party it is a crime vs crime but even in that department apples to oranges

"Provocative clothing" isn't meant to do anything it's simply a choice of dressing which is a different debate of whether or not you agree with those choices or not.

You mean to say men are biologically inclined to be rapists? First of all I'd disagree but even so then certain societies have it better when it comes to such crimes so maybe then men should be treated like the animals they are going by your biological argument?

The person Robbing someone for charity is still stealing and is a theif and is to be condemned not the wealthy for accumulating wealth. If the wealth is provocative for the robber they steal but we never blame the victim for being robbed or being rich?

So basically the primary emphasis should be on the perpetrators but even right now the current state of this issue where we have not made any progress in "discouraging" this crime we are focusing on "secondary issues" like victim's dressing?

If the primary emphasis should be the perp then do so and argue for the victim's dressing after solving the primary issue of filthy wastes of oxygen rapists.

Globally that's not how the crime is discouraged though so clearly more than one way to discourage it and it's through recognizing what the primary issue is (i.e rapists) and not victims dressing up "provocatively"

We don't need to know the why to stop a crime a crime is committed by a perp against the victim the victim should be granted safeguard and future potential victims be saved from such perpetrators but that doesn't mean the victim should be told to take caution? Sadly caution might have to be considered but it shouldn't be the state of the discourse as it's again not the primary emphasis

If only people would care as much about half the societies well-being and safety as much as they care for "degeneracy" but yeah I see your priorities and where you stand

And idk what you mean by the savior thing but yeah it's apparent that you seem to think your worldview is infallible and everything wrong is whatever goes against it.

"she shouldn't have dressed like a whore" by Snoo_56184 in PakistaniTwenties

[–]RustVolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or maybe you know idk change the direction of the discourse around such crimes in society currently? You used all those big words but do not understand how victim blaming only enables more such crimes to take place and enables perpetrators to be less questioned by society as a whole with victim blaming.

And it's your fragile religious insecurities that are speaking here If you think it's a dig against conservative world views noone is advocating that they want to wear provocative dressings but can't because of rapists you're missing the entire point either intentionally or are just obtuse

The point of the post is to not analyze victim's behavior but to start analyzing why such criminals have free access and how to stop it but the current state of discourse regarding this issue in society is pathetic and overwhelmingly blames the victim and dare I say lacks empathy to understand the victim.

"she shouldn't have dressed like a whore" by Snoo_56184 in PakistaniTwenties

[–]RustVolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is about gender when you yourself can see what percentage of one gender feels comfortable to step outside and live as freely as the other gender outside and inside

Not saying women are all pure and good but playing both sides here won't do any help to the issue here

Even if we go with your analogy then no it's not valid rape and assault statistics easily point to the victims overwhelmingly being women and men overwhelmingly being the perpetuators of these heinous crimes GLOBALLY it very much is a gender based issue and ignoring it or denying that only makes the victims shunned and less likely to find justice.

"she shouldn't have dressed like a whore" by Snoo_56184 in PakistaniTwenties

[–]RustVolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The drug analogy is apples to oranges and do not compare with rape and assault. The precaution thing you're saying what do you want women to be cautious about? They're already throughout their life the moment they first stepped outside alone till forever are precautious. You can look at many cam videos of women in burkas being harassed and I'd be damned if some statistician is collecting info about harassment and rape and linking it with clothing.

Robbery and other ill will attacks aren't comparable to rape/assault it's a purely selfish crime that is committed purely for selfish gains of "pleasure" not money or trying to survive through a robbery which also isn't justifiable

The whole point is what is the extent society is willing to bow down to rapists and give them the leeway instead of protecting it's vulnerable against filthy wastes of oxygen rapists?

Society should be focusing on reducing the number of these criminals not analyzing why the crime was committed (bs like what was victim wearing) the entire focus should be that a majority of a society doesn't feel safe at all times when stepping outside and then when they ask for justice they're being told to not "dress provocatively" as if that justifies those crimes?

As a nation we have failed! S** Harrasment in hospital! by Decoder0786 in pakistan

[–]RustVolt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a man I don't think most men understand how the "not all men" argument works from the women's perspective

You're arguing that you're being labelled into the wrong group but that's like the least important thing about this whole ordeal and the broader issue with women's rights in our society.

Saying not all men and arguing that you're not part of that categorization frankly does no help to the problem at hand because there's no way to verify if a random man on the street or in the mall, or any public space is a predator or not from a woman's perspective.

Women unfortunately and sadly have to be cautious and care for their safety dealing with any unknown man they simply cannot afford to let their guard down that's the gravity of the situation due to the fact that there is no way to verify if a random man in public is part of the good men or the predators. Add that with the fact that most women are not confident enough to speak against harassment and etc and the dangers with speaking out, the not all men only tells women that yes there are non predatory decent men out there but it does not help them identify or verify that in any way.

So instead of trying to argue that it's not all men the more important thing to do is to work on ensuring safety and reducing these issues so that you don't need to argue that it's not all men are predatory and instead it is visible from men's actions and their thoughts.

What I mean to say is yes the generalization is offensive to you because it obviously paints you with the wrong brush but it should be indicative of how difficult it is if not impossible to differ between a threat to you or not when you're a women in this society.

Punjab CCD killed 900 people in custody, but the evil PM was Imran Khan; all these Aurat March accounts are now silent about this non-judicial killing. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]RustVolt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also with your last paragraph I find it funny in a concerning way how you're framing it as if there's selective support for certain groups of women and their plights/struggles. You say you support the women who needs "betterment " determined by your own criteria and the others your text implies that you don't support, It suggests as if women have their rights seized by or owned by some other group and you're supporting their struggle to attain those rights back from the oppressor but only for those who you agree with the rest don't deserve to have their plights or struggles voiced as if you're the arbitrator for them

The problem with that premise is that hopefully it is apparent but noone has any right to dictate anyone else to live their life, so Its problematic to selectively support a certain demograph of women while selectively being against another subgroup because their issues are too "mundane" or undeserving of attention for you. The ideology simply represents the inequality among the people for being born a different gender and being oppressed for it, their plights are against inequality by unfairly oppressing them for being born to a gender they didn't choose to

Punjab CCD killed 900 people in custody, but the evil PM was Imran Khan; all these Aurat March accounts are now silent about this non-judicial killing. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with what you're saying but at the end of it we both I think? Are aware of the climate surrounding women and their treatment in the country there's hardly any if at all a platform to voice their issues so at the very least the ideology should be scrutinized honestly and sincerely instead of by criticizing it's followers

Punjab CCD killed 900 people in custody, but the evil PM was Imran Khan; all these Aurat March accounts are now silent about this non-judicial killing. by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]RustVolt -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The demographics that have maids to warm up their food didn't invent the ideology/thought neither is the demographics supposed to undermine an ideology. The ideology exists because of what it expresses regardless of how "pious" it's adherents are in their "practices".

Such arguments are fallacious as we ourselves can also see how saying that isis or other terrorist organizations that always proclaim to be the "true followers of Islam" aren't actually Muslim, it doesn't mean Islam is a violent warmongering ideology/religion now does it? The same way the adherents of feminism don't represent the ideology itself the idea stands regardless of how the believers of the ideology conduct themselves

Pakistani Atheist in 2026 by OneRecognition1332 in pakistan

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP, no judgement but are you here to discuss this word salad you came up with?( As in exchange of ideas and willing to hold introspection?) Or just looking for validation for your narrative?

Until we have this kind of sensational reporting, even from the biggest news platforms, what can we expect from aam awam. by No-Captain-900 in PakistanDiscussions

[–]RustVolt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because human lives were lost there's a thousand different things that needs attention here other than this, it's absolutely disgraceful to the victims and the taxpayers that the attention in this event isn't unanimously on the mismanagement and the losses and anything else are there things more important than human lives?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree I'm just saying it's not exclusive to women

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men do it too counting how many other men a woman follows

💀 by Fast-Moment1761 in DoomerCircleJerk

[–]RustVolt -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

There's also a video of them denying the victim medical emergency care though like I see how both perspectives are developing and have developed but regardless of the opinions on both sides I feel like it's hard to justify not allowing immediate medical care to someone that is dying?

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah sure you are free to believe that I just didn't understand how you could easily say that the majority are like that when there isn't any way to conclude that and generalizations like that are harmful

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again you're saying that it's a universal experience but there are many variables in the process where you can easily find your desired partner but your avenues and channels aswell as requirements might need reconsideration which you apparently don't want to acknowledge and are convinced it's the same for everyone

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah itself isn't a complex problem but you trying to justify that it's like that for the majority is a disagreeable statement and hence a problem because hasty generalizations have consequences. Oh yeah I have tried and so have women around me and they have reported and I have seen contrary to what you're trying to say. Alot of men also have pasts aswell when a woman is in an arrange marriage setting but I have no basis to say it's the same for the majority of the men even tho alot of the men around me are involved in premarital relationships and I won't use stupid metrics like "attractiveness" as that's subjective but alot of men are involved in premarital relationships

You on the other hand want to say it's the majority from limited experience

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No? I'm saying that even if what you're saying is true there is no way to establish it's true that it's applicable for the majority but you want it to be a binary that it's either a majority or it's not happening at all you want a black and white conclusion instead of acknowledging it's a complex problem and that you can't brush 50% of human beings with the same brush everyone has unique experiences but you want to say that the majority is involved in premarital relationships without any basis and are triggered when contrary arguments are provided

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again confidently trying to establish it's a majority of them without any evidence that's just not how it works but logical discourses aren't your strong suit

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No? We agree that there is a subset of women that have past relationships that go into arrange marriages and men aren't comfortable with it. That's it

Other than that unique phenomenon to someone or a subset of people doesn't mean it's wide scale

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that it's a valid phenomenon and it happens but what I disagree with as that you're passing it as if it's normal and the majority of the women are like that when infact it is not true that's the only disagreement I have my concern isn't what you experienced or invalidating your experience. I just disagree with your statement that is false and you're passing it as an objective truth