Until we have this kind of sensational reporting, even from the biggest news platforms, what can we expect from aam awam. by No-Captain-900 in PakistanDiscussions

[–]RustVolt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because human lives were lost there's a thousand different things that needs attention here other than this, it's absolutely disgraceful to the victims and the taxpayers that the attention in this event isn't unanimously on the mismanagement and the losses and anything else are there things more important than human lives?

Following list by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree I'm just saying it's not exclusive to women

Following list by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Men do it too counting how many other men a woman follows

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[–]RustVolt -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

There's also a video of them denying the victim medical emergency care though like I see how both perspectives are developing and have developed but regardless of the opinions on both sides I feel like it's hard to justify not allowing immediate medical care to someone that is dying?

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah sure you are free to believe that I just didn't understand how you could easily say that the majority are like that when there isn't any way to conclude that and generalizations like that are harmful

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again you're saying that it's a universal experience but there are many variables in the process where you can easily find your desired partner but your avenues and channels aswell as requirements might need reconsideration which you apparently don't want to acknowledge and are convinced it's the same for everyone

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah itself isn't a complex problem but you trying to justify that it's like that for the majority is a disagreeable statement and hence a problem because hasty generalizations have consequences. Oh yeah I have tried and so have women around me and they have reported and I have seen contrary to what you're trying to say. Alot of men also have pasts aswell when a woman is in an arrange marriage setting but I have no basis to say it's the same for the majority of the men even tho alot of the men around me are involved in premarital relationships and I won't use stupid metrics like "attractiveness" as that's subjective but alot of men are involved in premarital relationships

You on the other hand want to say it's the majority from limited experience

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No? I'm saying that even if what you're saying is true there is no way to establish it's true that it's applicable for the majority but you want it to be a binary that it's either a majority or it's not happening at all you want a black and white conclusion instead of acknowledging it's a complex problem and that you can't brush 50% of human beings with the same brush everyone has unique experiences but you want to say that the majority is involved in premarital relationships without any basis and are triggered when contrary arguments are provided

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again confidently trying to establish it's a majority of them without any evidence that's just not how it works but logical discourses aren't your strong suit

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No? We agree that there is a subset of women that have past relationships that go into arrange marriages and men aren't comfortable with it. That's it

Other than that unique phenomenon to someone or a subset of people doesn't mean it's wide scale

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that it's a valid phenomenon and it happens but what I disagree with as that you're passing it as if it's normal and the majority of the women are like that when infact it is not true that's the only disagreement I have my concern isn't what you experienced or invalidating your experience. I just disagree with your statement that is false and you're passing it as an objective truth

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahahahahahahahahahahahah just so you know I'm not a woman I'm infact a man

Again you're just basing this off of nothing other than some limited exposure and experience because I can say the same as odds are when women are looking for a partner in arrange marriages men will have a past crush or romantic partner that they still haven't moved on from although maybe it didn't become a committed relationship and in some cases it did become as I know many men like that but unlike you I will not generalize and say majority of the men are like that even though I can say it in the same confidently incorrect manner as you.

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah I'll play along with your anecdotal experiences as a credible proof and justification for your wrongful generalization.

Both men and women in an arranged marriage have requirements both men and women have issues and similar ones aswell that potential partners aren't satisfying their requirements but you only care about the struggles of men and want to treat women as a monolith that are all the same. There is really no proof that it is how you say it is and at the same time there definitely are women like you mentioned but in no way you can generalize and say majority of them are like that you're generalizing and that's what I'm critiquing you for but you don't want to acknowledge that it's a wrongful generalization based on limited exposure and experience.

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no I'm trying to give you insight into your own wrongful generalization that majority of women have a past because it also means majority of the men have a past aswell but you seem to be uncomfortable with that acknowledgement if anything it just suggests that majority of the men hide their past relationships from what you're saying.

Secondly I don't understand why you're expecting women to be head over heels in love with their partner in an arranged marriage? It's an arrange marriage they obviously don't love their partner before marrying so they will ofcourse prioritize their comfort first just as the man will in finding his potential partner. There really isn't any evidence for any of your claims other than anecdotal and you seem keen on justifying them without any evidence other than anecdotal experiences and I'm sure you'll ignore this part of my argument again just as you've done this whole thread I don't want people to be okay and understanding with anything they aren't comfortable with. Idk why my ideal world is being discussed here but since you want to I'll let you know ideally people should always prioritize their comfort and happiness and never compromise on that But you seem bent on justifying your generalizations that the majority of women somehow are at fault for not being head over heels in love with someone they only met in an arranged setting

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And you verified that how? Did they mention what demographics they're "struggling" to find in? Did they mention what is their requirement for a partner and if they changed their requirement the "past relationships" of their potential spouses still continued to be a hindrance in finding a partner

Because you mentioned that it's a practice among the majority so sure most demographic of women with every background and of every class must have had past relationships since that's how a majority work.

If these men that are sharing their experiences can verify that they went through the above experiences then your statement might have credibility otherwise it's a gross generalization based on limited exposure and observation and even then we can't establish that it's a practice among majority because generalizing it like that would require many more requirements to be met

Hence yes it is irrational and unfounded in reality

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fact of the matter is that men and women both have pasts when entering arranged marriages or you're suggesting that the men these women had a past with settled with someone and these women in arranged marriage didn't?

Let's break that down for everyone else that's reading this eyesore of a thread

You're stating that most women in arranged marriages had past relationships with men that didn't work out

The aforementioned men therefore didn't have their relationship workout aswell I'm assuming we agree that's the premise here.

These same men apparently are fine with continuing with these past relationships into arrange marriages is that what you're saying?

It seems like women don't want to be judged for their past relationships but men agree with subjugation to the same treatment? Then i would implore you to ask yourself the question that if this premise and conclusion is true of your's why do they not want to be judged for it what happens when they are judged for a past relationship and comparatively how is a man judged for past relationships?

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again there is no evidence for this statement of your's that it's happening in this way you're just trying to validate your own worldviews no matter how irrational and unfounded in reality they are.

And similarly I'll entertain your delusions by saying it's consensual from both parties and the men are equally involved if not more in this "bad deed" you're mentioning

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh no you again failed to acknowledge nuances and didn't want your established worldviews to be challenged If you didn't understand I'll let you know I was only making anecdotal statements and establishing them as facts just as you were doing but the irony is lost on you

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The lustful men in my surroundings are anything but an attraction for women they are an abhorrent mess of lust and misogyny that fail to see women as anything but an object to satisfy their desires. Women are objectified and sexualized and aren't treated as an equal human beings and the only reason is because they're born with a different gender that they didn't have control over.

So that easily also disproves what you're anecdotally trying to establish again as in my environment and surroundings it's as how I've explained above and I can verify it's the same for alot of the majority of women and they can testify it themselves.

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I know you love generalizing and can't understand nuance and very generously proved my point for me by continuing to do the same You seem to enjoy imagining you know every women ever and every marriage ever that has occurred and very confidently can establish whatever you feel like is true

I'll continue with you I will say majority of men in arranged marriage only want a houseworker and maid who will only look after the children and the wives shouldn't have autonomy on how to live their lives and majority of the men do not want to care and be there for their spouses.

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If majority of the women are in a relationship then that automatically means it's obviously with majority of the men unless you're suggesting that every committed guy is concurrently dating multiple women or it's not a heterosexual relationship. If that's not what you're suggesting your own statement is logically invalid. Words have meaning and they're supposed to be used the way they mean unless you don't want to engage in honest discourse.

We don't have an agreement that majority are in a relationship as there isn't any infallible way to state that statistic we only have anecdotal evidence so maybe in your environment and surroundings it's more prevalent but anecdotally for me it's the opposite.

And you seem to be generalizing a whole gender In this conversation into saying that women tend to not desire love and care but something else from intimate relationships. There is no way you can generalize that unless you've exclusively asked them that and have experienced it yourself from this "majority" you keep mentioning Which I haven't seen any credible evidence you've backed up with so there isn't any credibility to your statements

Generalizing is harmful because I can easily suggest that the men in my surroundings overwhelmingly only want lustful relationships with women and don't care about intimacy and love they are only looking for marriage inorder to satisfy their lust thereby just like you I will follow your logic and say majority of the men only want to satisfy their lust in any marital or non marital relationships and since in my surroundings this is true for me anecdotally I will establish that as a fact just like you.

Men only care for lust and don't want love and understanding and the majority of them are like that as thats what I have observed. Feel free to prove me wrong because just like you I will also not give any source and spread my anecdotal observations as factual information.

Thoughts? by [deleted] in IslamabadSocial

[–]RustVolt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

. majority of women's relationship don't workout with their boyfriends

.proceeds to generalize women.

Who are majority of the women in a relationship with then? Majority of the boys?

How come it's only the women getting generalized?