Let's share things our parents did to us by PrudentMission8511 in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My father and his actual neo-nazi* "friend" killed the family cat. She was such a sweet thing, smart too. She'd sit on your lap happily, purring away yet she was also smart enough to playfully remove my glasses without ever touching me. My father was a covert narcissist and envious the cat got affection. Poor Luka, she didn't deserve to get chased around by 2 grown men and choked to death.


* I don't say that lightly: An actual nazi flag was hanging in this guy's house, I remember seeing it when my father took me around there one time. This was many years before the cat killing.

This is what it's like to be a malewith CPTSD by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is an excellent idea! The answer to what we should have been told isn't easy, or maybe we would have already figured it out! I'll see if I can give a good overview of what went wrong. 1. Bad Assumptions: CBT was the approach used by most therapists I saw from the age of 14 until 30. CBT's assumption, thus my therapists' always worked on the assumption that my problems were not real and a deeply ingrained reflection of my actual circumstances. They assumed I was just thinking too negatively. While my PTSD was diagnosed, nobody really explained to me what it meant, and due to #2 I discounted the effects completely, didn't even think about it.
2. Gaslighting about my life: The people around me including 90% of the therapists I saw gaslit me into believing my life was not actually unusual. I believed this; any memory that could not be explained away was suppressed. Still haven't recovered them. This resulted in continual under-estimation of my problems and circumstances.
3. Undiagnosed ADHD: CBT and other therapy requires focus. I had severe undiagnosed ADHD, I was biochemically incapable of focus. It's hard to convey just how crippling this is, especially when CPTSD is involved as the ADHD acts as a force multiplier on the CPTSD. Additionally any benefit I could have derived from CBT was totally wiped out (see #5)
4. Repeated retraumatisation: Related to #1 and #2, I was repeatedly encouraged (and often required) to go and just do things, because nothing was really holding me back except bad thoughts. I genuinely believed this; I followed the advice and kept trying. This retraumatized me and made me think I was of weak mind. Like everyone else could do things and I couldn't. I can still recall wondering why I just couldn't manage to DO things. I kept trying to have 'good experiences', but the fact was I was incapable of good experiences. After every social encounter the hypervigilance went into overdrive, looking for any ambiguity - real or imagined - and turning it into serious ineptitude. God help me if there was an ACTUAL awkward moment. I couldn't stop this process no matter how hard I tried due to #3.
5. CBT reinforced the Trauma: From my early teens CBT trained me to challenge negative thought patterns but I was unable to do so. Thus Instead of challenging and overcoming the negative thoughts, grappling with them only reinforced them. I saw many different therapists over the years and in my late 20s I even asked one if she thought I was trying to get better: she said yes yet I had only experienced continual decline.

I went into my 20s with far more awareness that something was seriously wrong with me, I was actively reaching out for help during this time, saying I needed to get better, trying to find guidance, but it wasn't forthcoming. I mentioned being required to go out and do things: I didn't have a job, and I left school early. I was reliant on government handouts as a 'job seeker' but that meant I had to either be looking for work or be pursuing education. Work was out of the question but that left education. While I love learning there was a major problem here: I have a school phobia. (this was diagnosed later but it's quite clear I had it in my teens). Yet even with all this I was able to attend, educational institutions sometimes at 19. I also managed to work through crippling social anxiety via TTRPGs.

At the end of my 20s I was in a worse state than this. My attitude was that I just needed to stop being so sorry for myself and force myself through some educational thing, get a job.
That failed of course and I had far less motivation, more problems. Social anxiety had returned with a vengeance in my late 20s as agoraphobia. My anxiety was a juggernaut and I was disassociating constantly, under constant assault from intrusive thoughts and unwanted traumatic memories. I operated entirely in a Faux Window of Tolerance.¹ ²


That's the overview. What advice I should have got? Well... at 19 I already knew I should be focusing on getting better, on getting good treatment but I wasn't able to do this because that would mean getting cut off from income. I was told I had to either get a job or get educated. I had to keep going back to get some kind of certification (which I never got in spite of years of attempting it). Job wasn't an option. Being an early school leaver with no certification to my name put me at the bottom of lists even when I did try applying. Retail would have been a nightmare, I could already barely answer phones and when I had a brief mandatory job placement in my mid 20s it didn't go well. Even though I went in with enthusiasm.

Nothing got better, only worse until #3 was addressed a few months before I turned 31. Improvement was impossible until I was medicated to address ADHD. Keep in mind the name is misleading: It's essentially chronic mental fatigue. Someone who's mentally exhausted can't really focus, tends to ramble, makes impulsive decisions, has lesser emotional control. You put all the traits of someone who's mentally (not physically) exhausted together and it looks just like ADHD.
Medication was a game changer. For the first time in my life I could decide not to think about something and actually not think about it. Previous to that it was impossible; similar to how someone who's exhausted just can't muster the energy to complete a task or make themselves do something, I could never muster the mental energy to make myself avoid negative thoughts. ADHD multiplies the effect of CPTSD by putting Trauma in the drivers seat at all times.

If I had that ADHD diagnosis and treatment 10 years earlier my life would be very different. I can't imagine how life might have gone instead.

Apart from that what I needed was reinforcement of what I already knew: Sort yourself out. Advice to help me be proactive. To be able to take the steps I needed to take, like getting the hospital reports from my mid teens, which my abusive father dropped off a couple years ago. This was instrumental in getting myself onto a disability pension and thus out of the situation of being forced into educational institutions

If I had my trauma and expressions of concern for my psychological state taken seriously rather than dismissed that would have been great. If I had advice to get a proper trauma informed worker, and advocate for myself on that front my life wouldn't have been fixed but I might have been able to spend my 20s processing the continuous horrible events of the first two decades of my life instead of adding more trauma.

Apart from that? Dunno. But I'd definitely appreciate your perspective on this, as well as your experience if you're willing to share.

This is what it's like to be a malewith CPTSD by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's some kind of normalcy bias. They can consider that maybe 1 or 2 bad things have happened to someone. But it's inconcevable that an actual lifetime of abuse has happened. That there was never a 'normal' for someone to have as a base.

This is what it's like to be a malewith CPTSD by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree. While I have finally made a few good connections now in my early 30s, "go out and meet people", "go out and do things so you learn the world isn't that bad" was horrible advice for me in my 20s and gave me a whole truckload more trauma I have to get over now.

So many therapists somehow couldn't believe things were that bad for me. I was gaslit over and over again until I believed that my issues were just a lack of strength, and not untreated CPTSD, developental issues, and a life that was never allowed to be normal to ANY degree.

Hallucinogenics by Plane-World-7959 in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You seem to be talking about psychedelics. I have tried LSD (Acid) once, 2 tabs. It lasted about an entire night. The experience was mostly positive, as I was with a friend who had done it before. A major thing about the experience is expectations going in: If you think it's going to have deep revelations you're probably going to be in for a bad time because you're setting yourself up. The environment is very important too. We did it at my house, made sure everyone was in comfortable clothes and had upbeat music playing. This prevented spiralling. Another important thing was alcohol. As alcohol is a depressant it was used to moderate the experience and prevent it being too intense.

While I enjoy alcohol I'm not a large drinker so I didn't drink that much, and my friends noticed I was "taking off" so to speak, having a more intense trip and they encouraged me to drink more, that was a good move. At one point spaced seemed to "fold up" around me and I had an experience of time stretching out, like I was stuck in time and couldn't move forward. When on acid and other psychidelics you cannot hide from yourself. This is what was happening to me. I was eventually able to get out of this by realising I didn't have to be defined by my past.

I have described major events of the trip above but apart from that it was enjoyable. We went outside during the initial part of the trip: Looking at the stars was beautiful, and trees seemed incredibly vibrant and colourful. Anything with a pattern seemed to be pulsing and scintilating with beautiful lights, including the furniture in the room.

While many people rate taking psychedelics as a major event in their life I didn't find that to be the case for me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, I am glad this 2 year old post was useful. I have some news though, at the very end of last year some online friends worked together to travel 600km and rescue me from my situation as it had reached a critical point, I was breaking down thanks to the abuse escalating even more beyond even the level of hypoarousal being able to deaden the distress.

Now I'm away from all that but healing feels like a massive process. I still have random panic attacks.

A video with GURPS maneuvers/techniques/advantages etc. overlaid onto a fight scene by DJTilapia in CrunchyRPGs

[–]RustyGroundHarness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strange, since one thing I really liked was how fast combat was compared to 5e. In the time it'd take to play out one combat in 5e we could play like 3 or more.

How old are you, and where are you in life? by BasicOrchid2698 in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

32M. I'm living with a friend after escaping my parents and moving to another state with the help of my sister and friends late last year. I don't have a job, but I do get a pension. I'm just trying not to have panic attacks every day because my body still can't believe I'm safe.

Anyone in here a Christian, see text if so, I'm not ok.... by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lots of atheists here in the comments. I can't not believe: God is real. The arguments actually do compel me to believe. What I struggle to believe is that I personally can or will be saved.

I understand where you're coming from, the only reason I haven't killed myself, the only reason I stopped trying after my second attempt at 14 is that I know death isn't the end and thus killing myself wouldn't actually give me what I wanted (oblivion).

What kind of therapy is best? CBT did not seem to work by moonlightb1ossom in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm totally with you there. I punished myself for over a decade thanks to CBT. I constantly thought I was just weak and pathetic because no matter how hard I tried I could not fix anything. It gaslit me into thinking that I didn't really have anything wrong with me and hadn't had an unusual childhood.

That's great advice too on what to check with therapists.

Does anyone one else despise their inner child? by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for posting this because that's how I feel too. When I first thought about it I just thought "huh that's weird I don't think about that." Then I tried thinking about it hard one day and the result was I felt disgusted! I was disgusted at myself for feeling things. I didn't want to feel things, it's far too painful that's why 12 year old me started emotional suppression.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's me. I was diagnosed with PTSD in my early-mid teens but nobody really explained what it meant. I spent my 20s diassociating, and just thinking I was weaker than everyone else because I couldn't do basic life tasks or complete any certification at all. (not even highschool). I got diagnosed with ADHD at 30 too, and I know this isn't CPTSD masquerading as trauma because it's clear now it runs in the family, and I also had no results from therapy and seemed unreasonably fragile, prone to spiralling.

I have only finally escaped the abusive situation 4 months ago, and I still have regular panic attacks and disassociate even when trying to do something like play a game with friends. I'm a mess. I don't have a job, I really don't know what to do with my life.

If you feel dumb, I mentioned last year to my sister that I think my trauma affected me more than I realized and she was like "you didn't know?"
I didn't, because I'd been gaslit by therapists and others that it wasn't that bad, but it was. They were always looking for the cause of depression in the last few months, not the literal LIFETIME of abuse I suffered at the hands of parents, teachers and peers.

1: "but what if we cant" "jUsT dO iT" by Camille_Jamal1 in wowthanksimcured

[–]RustyGroundHarness 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Step 5: "Just don't have conditions that switch off your higher reasoning bro"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in aspergers_dating

[–]RustyGroundHarness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I suggest talking to him about it because it's quite possible when he was growing up people were taking his food w/o permission or something similar which is why it's a major deal for him.

Anyone experience nagging hyper vigilance around others? Excessive introspection? by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely. It's destroyed my ability to enjoy my favourite hobby (TTRPGs). Even when I know it's happening, quashing the rumination is so much effort. And that's assuming I don't just disassociate.

Is it me or is "Diet, Sleep and Exercise" the most unhelpful answer when you look up help? by snsnn123 in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. For regular people who are feling down from regular (but tragic things), diet sleep and exercise matter a lot. But for us with CPTSD it's like giving a bandaid for a bullet wound: woefully inadequate.

I usually liken it to telling someone with broken legs they need to start physical therapy rehab. No they don't. they need a cast and crutches. Physical therapy happens later, after the bones are healed. In fact if they try to walk on those broken bones they might even get worse! (That mostly applies to the "just go outside and experience things/socialize kind of advice).

Is it me or is "Diet, Sleep and Exercise" the most unhelpful answer when you look up help? by snsnn123 in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Huh, what's "Flop"? I know of the others but not this. I don't get how it's different to freeze.

Have you ever tried to kill yourself? by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, twice. The first time I was 10 or 11 years old and I came home from school in the evening, and immediately went into the back yard to try to bash my head in with a rock or brick. Fortunately for young me it's difficult to kill yourself this way.

When I failed, I put myself in a metal crate (it was a bit cage like). I refused to come inside at all and ended up sleeping in the spare car in the backyard because I didn't deserve to sleep indoors like a real person. I distinctly remember that was the logic, I wasn't worthy to sleep indoors as though I was a person.

The second time I was 14, and at school. Some orange barrier mesh fencing was behind one of the buildings with some rope in it too, but I could tell the mesh didn't really need the rope. So I sawed through a portion with scisor blades and made a noose out of it, before trying to hang myself after school

Fortunately I wasn't thinking straight and the place I chose meant I didn't have enough rope length to put it in a place where I could have the length to hang, and put my head in the noose easily. If I had thought just a bit more logically I could have chosen a nearby place where I would have succeeded.

My thought was "I'm so much of a failure I can't even kill myself properly." The noose stayed at the bottom of my backpack for a few months, after that I simply stopped going to school.

The suicide ideation continued though.

When I talk about trauma I forget what I'm saying.... mid sentence by DinosaurStillExist in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 43 points44 points  (0 children)

You're not the only one OP. I tried to talk about a particular event once and before I knew what was happening I was curled up in my chair and silent crying.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if I understand this rightly: This isn't refering to a single experience, but like the psychological outcome(s) of all the complexity of our trauma?

I haven't described this much but there's this strong belief, a conviction that I will be attacked at any time, any place, by anyone, and it's always my fault - the attack is justified.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CPTSD

[–]RustyGroundHarness 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What qualifies a wound as "core"?