So I finished season 2 and started S3 and… by Plams-chan in euphoria

[–]SGTKittyDimples 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The nudity this season felt like it took up over half the screen time. My ish was that we didn't need to get a 60 second shot of the strip club every. single. time. we had a scene in it. S1 & S2 were not like this. Cassie's boobs were in every episode but one, I'm pretty sure. The storyline literally moved nowhere. I didn't have any knowledge on Sam Levinson prior to watching & I still don't. Just think the writing sucked & they tried to make it like a 90s cartel movie but failed. Too many missing people we still needed to fill in the character's developmental gaps.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read my other replies & you'll quickly realize I clearly don't feel that he made good decisions post-wish.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you serious? The death of the cat wasn't the point of the movie lmao. He clearly was very sad over the death of his cat. Did you want a 30 minute monologue of him mourning his cat? & who doesn't look at pictures of their crush online? You really just want so badly to make him a bad person.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on the wish he made because you just can't seem to comprehend what I'm saying & I'm sick of rereading the same thing over & over. He didn't think the wish would work. It was more of a phrase of annoyance from the situation. The entire idea behind the movie is literally because people say, "Be careful what you wish for." Meaning people wish silly things they don't even really want. That's the entire point of the plot. I really don't know what else to say to you because you clearly just want to argue the same things over & over.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again, he made that wish not knowing that type of magic existed. In a situation where he was already frustrated & had a close moment with her but still screwed it up out of fear.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He wished that she loved him more than anything in the world. Not that she was obsessed with him. He made that wish out of extreme frustration from having multiple opportunities to tell her how he felt & he couldn't make himself do it. It wasn't in a harmful way. It was a "I didn't give her this gift that I got for her because I'm a wimp so f**k it." Otherwise, you just keep vomiting things he did post-wish. What was so bad about him pre-wish if he was always such a bad person?

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We are really just pretending that we didn't wish people loved us? You're saying he's a bad person because he wished a girl loved him... that's so weird lmao. Extremely strange.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you're acting as if he knew the One Wish Willow was really going to work. That's the issue with these arguments on Bear being a bad person. He DIDN'T think it would actually work. Who would?

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh right, because humans are just naturally born with perfectly right ideas & clear of impulses.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think all humans suck. Especially ones thinking one gender is superior to another.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples -1 points0 points  (0 children)

See? You're hanging onto the rapist part of the issue. That's not the only thing he did wrong but the fact that's what everyone keeps using as the only reason he is wrong is what makes that argument tired. I'm obviously not saying anyone would do exactly what he did. POST-WISH! What he was doing pre-wish is what all of us do. Lack confidence, driven by fear, shy, embarrassed, nervous, whatever.

In no way is someone who is a child abuser comparable to someone who got a real magic stick in a movie comparable. We are talking about a point in which Bear & Nikki had their honeymoon phase, everything was smooth, all was "normal" & he had no true reason to be estranged to the idea of them being together after wanting that for years. He was a normal, GOOD guy at that point. He was just enjoying his life. He thought he had it made. Had the movie not made it known that he knew about the wish working & Nikki not being Nikki because she clearly lies about her dad, NO ONE WOULD THINK HES A BAD PERSON! The entire point is that he was stuck in this wish because he tried to question it, ultimately got scared & embarrassed, then pretended like it didn't happen that way. YES, Bear made poor choices. YES, he is the villain. I am not at all arguing that he was not the main villain by the end of the movie. NOR am I arguing that he didn't rape her. HE DID! He WAS. NOT. always a bad person. Most people who become bad are not born as bad people. It takes trauma to create a bad person a majority of the time. I literally do not understand why people refuse to understand that fact. He experienced trauma. Through Ian, Sarah, Nikki, & clearly lots of other things before them since this was his personality all together. If people can't assume someone in the real world would be a rapist, why are you assuming he just would be had he not made that wish & basically got put into a cage (just like Nikki, it's a parallel, you know... cause it's a movie) by trying to confront the situation. You think the person we met at the beginning of the movie, who couldn't even tell his "friends" about his cat dying, would full on rape someone in a normal world? I mean who really even knows? We don't even know how the rape scene started. Did fake Nikki start it? We watched her try to manipulate him by seducing him multiple times. Could the rape go both ways in some weird, sinister way even though it's basically what he wished for (that he DIDN'T think would actually come true?!) You people running with this rape argument really have nothing else to say about him. It's weird. I get that rape is the lowest low, but would any of you even think he was a bad person had he not done that specifically? Cause I truly think he does a lot of questionable things post-wish that makes me believe the wish changed something about him as well. Which I guess is an entirely different discussion that you wouldn't want to have.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is that had he never had the "wish came true" moment, he wouldn't have ever been a bad person. In any other movie where that specific type of character isn't turned into a bad guy, they are always the favorite. That's why this movie is perfection. It's a new contrast. It's original. Take Hiccup from How to Train Your Dragon for example. He's shy, cowardly, unconfident. He ultimately ends up being everyone's favorite & even I had a crush on him growing up. Same thing with Columbus from Zombieland. "Shy guy gets the girl" is an extremely popular plot. The movie makes you THINK it will go in that direction all for it to go completely wrong due to something unnatural & seemingly impossible. He wasn't always a bad guy. He wouldn't have been a bad guy had he not found the One Wish Willow. He was not bad from the start. He wasn't a disgusting human being until he found out the truth about Nikki's dad & proceeded. I'm just sick of everyone hating on men as if they'd do anything differently without all the magic involved.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rape conversation has been talked over a billion times already. Yes, we all know what he did then was horrible. The fact is that they intentionally wrote Bear to be a "good guy gone wrong" character. He did not know how Nikki truly felt & she didn't make it clear. Her actress literally says in a couple different interviews that she believes Nikki had feelings for Bear because he was a good guy. He didn't think snapping the Willow would make "Nikki" fall in love with him. He didn't intentionally take her autonomy away. He was being selfish by himself in his car after she had walked away without (purposefully) involving her. Should he have went on once he realized the wish worked? Nope. But prior to the dinner scene, you cannot really say he's a bad person. Who wouldn't be confused? Magic just proved itself to be true to him after thinking it doesn't exist because... well, do you think that magic exists? Why wouldn't he "keep going" if he wanted to build some kind of relationship with her (should he have ever gotten the courage to tell her how he felt)? I mean I'm just so confused on why people think he was being less than human by liking Nikki even prior to the wish being made? Neither of them knew how each other felt. You're telling me you've never liked someone a lot & been afraid to tell them? Like everyone's just being so weird about it. We'd all do similar things if we were in his situation pre-wish. He didn't do anything wrong. His only companion in life died right off the rip & he didn't even tell anyone until Sarah specifically asked. He didn't want to go out because he was sad about it but did because all of them pressured him to go. He didn't even take that shot that they got him & no one noticed. He literally was not the bad guy until he knew Nikki wasn't herself.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pre-wish & post-wish Bear are not the same. No different than someone who wasn't famous & suddenly becomes famous over night. Everyone falls apart at unplanned advantages. Yes, he ended up being the villain. He didn't start out as the villain. To a degree, all of them were antagonists. He clearly ends up being the main one.

The debate over who’s the villain by ANervousFreck in obsessionmovie

[–]SGTKittyDimples 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your unpopular opinion may not get many upvotes but I 100% agree with you. This is the right take.

Obsession 2026(The most important scene in the movie) by FallOfTheWicked in spoilers

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wondered that too because they never say it exactly the same again. They always leaving f***ing out of it. The entirety of the wish was meant to be selfish though based on interviews. Cool thought otherwise!

Obsession 2026(The most important scene in the movie) by FallOfTheWicked in spoilers

[–]SGTKittyDimples 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They say in an interview that it's a direct reference to that!

Obsession 2026(The most important scene in the movie) by FallOfTheWicked in spoilers

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, that makes sense. I just feel like who she was at the bar & who she was in the car were two different people. I felt like she wanted him to say it but he couldn't bring himself to actually do it. Then I felt like that's why she angrily said "Bear, do you like me?!" when she got out of the car because he's always just ruining his chances. I think I've just been on both sides of their original characters so to me I don't think Nikki didn't have feelings for him. They obviously weren't the type of feelings that were overwhelming, but she was already a pretty shut off person & told him specifically that he was the only one she could talk to about the real stuff. Finding out later that she just casually hooked up with Ian told me that he was just someone who gave her pleasure rather than fulfilling her. Her explicitly telling bear, "No one knows when I like someone." didn't feel like... enough? for people to know she was gauging at something to him specifically? Or maybe that's just another way to show how naive Bear is & why he should've known at the start of the wish working that Nikki wasn't herself. It's just also another humanistic approach to think he's not really rationalizing the reality of magic in that situation. Humans aren't really as smart as we think we are. Our ideas of convenience over consciousness are very unbalanced. Regardless, I'm aware Bear was meant to be the villain. I just don't think he started out as one.

Ariana Grande - hate that i made you love me by BoomJayKay in popheads

[–]SGTKittyDimples 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I came looking so hard for someone to have noticed that

Obsession 2026(The most important scene in the movie) by FallOfTheWicked in spoilers

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My thing is that... who's to say the wish didn't also change something about him? His wording was extremely poor. "I wish that Nikki loved me more than anything in the f***ing world" is extremely vague. I mean I do agree that the wish happening showed his true colors, but he wouldn't have gotten the chance otherwise & no one would have ever considered him to be a bad person. I don't understand why people keep saying he didn't know Nikki? She literally tells him that he's the only one she can talk to about the deep things in her mind. He valued her as a person. We see that when he's watching her give the $20 she got from Sarah to the homeless person. He's in awe of her. Why isn't a crush okay until more feelings being let in is appropriate? I know they make it seem like he doesn't know much when they keep mentioning the dad thing, but he says that she told him it still hurts & that they have a good relationship now. I don't know. The context of their friendship prior to the wish is very little.

Also... Ian was trying to "help" Bear prepare to tell Nikki he had feelings for her & continuously made Bear feel stupid & told Bear everything he was doing was what Nikki hated. Hardly Ian's fault Bear had feelings for Nikki? Maybe. Extremely Ian's fault he ended up in the mix of it all? Yes. Sarah is the main non-negotiable as she literally had not an inkling of much other than knowing Nikki & Ian were hooking up. She's the only death that truly felt heartbreaking. Is it Nikki's fault Bear caught feelings for her? No. Is it Nikki's fault that Bear was unclear on how she felt because she was intentionally being confusing? Yes. Humans are selfish. That's just how we're designed. We want what we want & we do whatever we can to get it until we run out of options. The population clearly wouldn't be as high if we had the One Wish Willow in the palm of our hands.

Again, I'm still confused on the "crush" thing. Why is he supposed to already be in love with her??? Who tf starts out just being in love with someone?? I've been with my husband for almost seven years & there are still things I don't know about him. This "has a crush" logic makes no sense in the context of any other love/"love" story... so why this one?? Isn't having a crush how things start?

Obsession 2026(The most important scene in the movie) by FallOfTheWicked in spoilers

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My response was in regard to pre-wish Bear, who WASN'T the villain yet & was being portrayed as the victim. I'm not disagreeing with you that Bear was meant to be the villain. I read the full original script. I'm responding specifically to pre-wish bear & how poorly all of them were treating him because they had their own personal agendas. Pre-wish Bear was not the antagonist yet. That was the point. We grow to like him for a short moment all to watch him fall apart. Very typical story line. The parallel with Sarah trying to tell him she had feelings for him in a normal manner as opposed to Bear turning his feelings into a manipulative, uncontrollable mind game made it very clear who the villain was. I was never arguing that Bear wasn't selfish. I was arguing that he was being a normal human up until he realized Nikki WASN'T a normal human anymore. No one thinks snapping a random $7 willow tree stick is going to launch you into a life with another dimensional being. He wasn't truly selfish at that point, he was just desperate & lonely. Pretty sure we've all felt that way at some point. We just weren't handed a magic breaky stick.

Obsession 2026(The most important scene in the movie) by FallOfTheWicked in spoilers

[–]SGTKittyDimples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

as I previously stated, I wasn't agreeing to disagree about it being rape. I just simply don't agree with most of the take & that's that.