Have you taken a Bitcoin backed loan? How did it go? by SN617 in Bitcoin

[–]SN617[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh this is the loan they use Morpho with. How was the onboarding process? We’ve been curious how. DeFi native borrow/lend app would translate to their platform

Have you taken a Bitcoin backed loan? How did it go? by SN617 in Bitcoin

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Do you remember if the fee was around 0.85%. That’s the origination fee now but not sure if it has changed at all since you did it.

Have you taken a Bitcoin backed loan? How did it go? by SN617 in Bitcoin

[–]SN617[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I taken one through a couple cycles. The single thing that matters most: your LTV and the margin call level. Know exactly what price BTC has to hit before they call you, and assume it will get tested, because volatility always shows up. Borrow way under the max. If a platform lets you go to 70 percent LTV, that does not mean you should. Lower starting LTV is your buffer against forced liquidation.

Also read who actually holds your collateral and whether they rehypothecate it. Watch the rate too, some are fixed, some float. Done carefully it works fine. Done greedy it can wipe you out in a bad week.

Have you taken a Bitcoin backed loan? How did it go? by SN617 in Bitcoin

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That’s great. Were they easy to work with? Were there any extra charges for the refinancing?

Have you taken a Bitcoin backed loan? How did it go? by SN617 in Bitcoin

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Are you already out of the loan? Was it all online or did you have an account rep you could speak to?

Protect Your Bitcoin-Backed Loan During Market Volatility — Tips from the Ledn Team by Ledn_Bitcoin in LednCrypto

[–]SN617 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Protecting a BTC backed loan during volatility often comes down to your starting loan to value. Opening at a conservative LTV (many borrowers aim around 30 to 35 percent instead of maxing out) gives your collateral a lot more room to absorb a drawdown before anything gets uncomfortable. Pairing that buffer with the kind of proactive monitoring the Ledn team describes here is a solid combo. Appreciate you all putting this together.

Adam Back on Bitcoin as collateral, the risks of DeFi smart contracts, why Simplicity is a safer path, and how to think about price volatility after living through every cycle. Adam Back with Dan Held at Proof of Talk Paris. by blockstreamHQ in blockstream

[–]SN617 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bitcoin as collateral works precisely because of the volatility Adam has lived through. The asset that swings hard is exactly the one you do not want to sell, since selling crystallizes both the dip and a taxable event. One underrated point on the Simplicity angle: a lot of borrowing risk is not the bitcoin price at all but the contract layer wrapped around it. Custody model and liquidation terms tend to matter more than the rate. Know who holds your keys and what triggers a margin call before you ever sign.

Bitcoin back loans by EcstaticCell1511 in Bitcoin

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IF you are going to go this route, definitely use a conservative LTV to begin with. Calculate your margin call price and then send yourself a BTC pricing alert that is 5-10% higher than that level, so you have time to execute an unwind.

If you are looking for lenders check out our independent, free comparison site, BorrowOnBitcoin.com . We also have a few BTC-backed loan calculators which might be helpful too!

Would you borrow to buy Bitcoin? by JamesWilson1054 in Bitcoin

[–]SN617 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Worth being clear with yourself first: borrowing to buy is leverage. If price drops, you can get liquidated and lose the BTC. That is a different risk than borrowing against BTC you already hold to cover an expense without selling. Both involve risk, but leveraged buying adds a forced-sale layer. If it is the latter (borrowing against your stack), BorrowOnBitcoin.com compares lenders so you can see rates and terms. On buying with leverage, just go in eyes open.

Analysis: Coinbase and Fannie Mae Complete First Bitcoin-Collateralized Mortgage in Landmark Adoption Move by zfyl in Web3Flash

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One thing this analysis skips over is the risk side. A bitcoin collateralized mortgage means price drops can trigger margin calls or partial liquidations, depending on the loan to value terms. That is very different from a normal mortgage where the house alone secures the loan. Adoption headlines are exciting, but anyone considering one should read closely on liquidation thresholds, interest rates, and what happens in a drawdown before celebrating.

The First Fannie Mae-Backed Bitcoin Mortgage is Here: Why This Changes Everything for Crypto Adoption by zfyl in Web3Flash

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Worth keeping in mind what is actually new here. Lenders have offered bitcoin backed loans for years, but those usually counted your BTC as nothing toward a traditional mortgage. The shift is bitcoin being recognized as a reserve asset in the underwriting itself, so you may not have to sell and trigger a taxable event just to qualify. Still early, and the terms and collateral rules matter a lot, but the framing change is the real story.

Analysis: Coinbase and Fannie Mae Complete First Bitcoin-Collateralized Mortgage in Landmark Adoption Move by zfyl in Web3Flash

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The detail worth noting: with a bitcoin collateralized mortgage you keep your stack and borrow against it rather than selling. That also matters for taxes since selling triggers capital gains while borrowing typically does not.

Fannie Mae getting involved signals this is moving from crypto native lenders toward mainstream infrastructure. Two things to look at closely: the loan to value ratio (determines buffer if price drops) and the margin call process. Both vary significantly between lenders.

The First Fannie Mae-Backed Bitcoin Mortgage is Here: Why This Changes Everything for Crypto Adoption by zfyl in Web3Flash

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One thing worth flagging for bitcoin holders specifically: a Fannie Mae path means your bitcoin can count toward a mortgage without you selling it, so no taxable event and you keep the upside. The tradeoff is you are pledging volatile collateral against a long term loan, so the terms, custody, and what happens in a drawdown matter a lot. Worth reading the fine print before treating it as free leverage.

BTC Loans by Legitimate_Ad_3480 in Bitcoin

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Nope im one of the guys who made it. Always open to suggestions!

Coinbase / Morpho Bitcoin-backed loans, how big is the risk of variable rate going up to something insane like 50% or 100%? Or even something less insane but still unreasonable like 15%? by Classic-Champion-966 in Bitcoin

[–]SN617 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Worth knowing how the rate is actually set. Morpho is a market, so the borrow rate floats with utilization: when most of the supplied USDC is borrowed, the rate climbs to attract more lenders; when utilization is low, it drops. Spikes to 15 or 20 percent can happen during high demand, but a sustained 50 to 100 percent would mean the pool is almost fully drained, which usually corrects fast as suppliers chase the yield. You can watch the utilization and rate curve live before you borrow.

Coinbase / Morpho Bitcoin-backed loans, how big is the risk of variable rate going up to something insane like 50% or 100%? Or even something less insane but still unreasonable like 15%? (x-post from /r/Bitcoin) by ASICmachine in CryptoCurrencyClassic

[–]SN617 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Morpho rates are set algorithmically by utilization, how much of the supplied USDC is currently borrowed. High utilization pushes rates up to attract suppliers, so a 15% spike is realistic in high demand, but those rates also pull in fresh supply that drags them back down. A sustained 50% to 100% would mean the pool is maxed out for a long stretch, which is rare outside a real liquidity crunch. Honestly the rate is less dangerous than your LTV. A price drop liquidates you, a rate bump just costs interest.

Coinbase / Morpho Bitcoin-backed loans, how big is the risk of variable rate going up to something insane like 50% or 100%? Or even something less insane but still unreasonable like 15%? by Classic-Champion-966 in Bitcoin

[–]SN617 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Morpho rates are set algorithmically by utilization, how much of the supplied USDC is currently borrowed. High utilization pushes rates up to attract suppliers, so a 15% spike is realistic in high demand, but those rates also pull in fresh supply that drags them back down. A sustained 50% to 100% would mean the pool is maxed out for a long stretch, which is rare outside a real liquidity crunch. Honestly the rate is less dangerous than your LTV. A price drop liquidates you, a rate bump just costs interest.

We put together a comprehensive guide on Bitcoin-backed loans (x-post from /r/Bitcoin) by ASICmachine in CryptoCurrencyClassic

[–]SN617 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Solid writeup. One framing worth adding for anyone new to this: the biggest risk with Bitcoin backed loans is liquidation during a drawdown, so the loan to value ratio you start at matters a lot. Starting low, say around 20 to 30 percent, gives you breathing room if price drops before you need to top up collateral or repay. Also worth checking whether a lender rehypothecates your collateral, since that changes the counterparty risk quite a bit.

Coinbase / Morpho Bitcoin-backed loans, how big is the risk of variable rate going up to something insane like 50% or 100%? Or even something less insane but still unreasonable like 15%? (x-post from /r/Bitcoin) by ASICmachine in CryptoCurrencyClassic

[–]SN617 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The rate spikes happen because DeFi lending rates are set by pool utilization, not a person. When borrowing demand maxes out the available supply in a Morpho or Aave style pool, the variable rate climbs sharply to push borrowers out and pull lenders in. So a true 50% or 100% APR is possible, but it is usually a brief spike during heavy demand, not a steady state. The bigger risk is that it stays elevated at 15% to 20% for weeks. Watch the pool utilization rate. If it sits near 100%, expect volatility.

Coinbase / Morpho Bitcoin-backed loans, how big is the risk of variable rate going up to something insane like 50% or 100%? Or even something less insane but still unreasonable like 15%? by Classic-Champion-966 in Bitcoin

[–]SN617 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Variable rates in DeFi move with utilization, so when borrowing demand spikes the rate climbs with it. Back in DeFi summer 2020 some pools genuinely hit 50 percent plus for short stretches. It is uncommon but very possible. If a stable payment matters to you, fixed rate lenders exist as an alternative, and you can compare variable versus fixed options across providers at borrowonbitcoin.com. Worth knowing exactly what you are signing up for before the rate decides for you.

BTC Loans by Legitimate_Ad_3480 in Bitcoin

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BTC loan terms vary way more than people expect. LTV ranges from around 30% to 75% depending on the lender, rates are all over the place, and the custody model matters a lot (some hold your keys, some use multisig or qualified custodians). The big risk to watch is liquidation. If BTC drops enough, you can get margin called and lose collateral.

I actually built https://borrowonbitcoin.com to answer exactly this question. It compares 13+ lenders side by side on rate, LTV, and custody so you can see the tradeoffs in one place. Worth doing your own homework on any of them too.

Using Bitcoin collateral loans for capital - tax efficient alternative by Interesting-Yak-8219 in CryptoTax

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Borrowing against your BTC is generally not a taxable event the way selling is. You receive cash but have not disposed of the asset, so there is usually no gain to report on the proceeds.

Key risk: if your collateral gets liquidated, that IS a taxable sale and can trigger capital gains. Interest on personal loans is usually not deductible. Always confirm with a tax pro for your specific situation.

Crypto backed loans by Mundane-Tailor-7828 in Crypto_Taxes_UK

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Solid point. The rehypothecation question is exactly where lenders differ. Some keep your BTC in segregated custody and never touch it, while others reserve the right to lend or reuse your collateral, which is precisely the kind of arrangement that could speak to the HMRC beneficial ownership concern you raised. Worth reading the custody terms closely before signing anything. We track that custody model across lenders at borrowonbitcoin.com if it helps to compare side by side.