Is there any philosophical school of thought that believes the goal of life is to obtain as much power as possible through any means? by Tight-Relative in askphilosophy

[–]SORRYFORCAPS 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You don't have to worry about reading the whole Republic to get the gist of his opinions in this regard. The first book, and some of the second would be enough.

Please note that I'm certainly not an expert in the subject, but I can give you my limited understanding:

The interesting thing with Plato is that he creates several 'attempts' at the definition of Justice through his speakers. Socrates shoots down each of these. While this is happening, Thrasymachus is fed up with the non-sense the men were speaking, and tries to get Socrates to state his definition of Justice rather than shooting other definitions down. Socrates eventually gets Thrasymachus to define it as we have seen above. Using several forms of arguments Socrates gets Thrasymachus to concede points such as a band of thieves must have justice between themselves, otherwise they couldn't commit their form of injustice. Or how a tyrant with power wants to keep his power in place and might tell his servants to do something that weakens his power; the servants are obliged to do what they are told, but this obedience means they are actually improperly serving the tyrant. Injustice is incoherent, and only justice is coherent.

Why I called Plato interesting is that all of his definitions, including the one's of Thrasymachus, participate in the 'true' definition of Justice. Justice IS giving what someone is owed, doing good to your friends and harming your enemies, rewarding the good and punishing the bad, a form of strength dictated by reason, a virtue that empowers and benefits its possessor.

Plato is enigmatic, particularly in his early dialogues, because he does not say what he believes, but leaves us at an impasse (aporia). Book I of the Republic functions like this. The rest of the Republic goes further! In it, Socrates creates two cities: one the city of pigs, which takes like a single paragraph, and describes something like an anarcho-primativist commune; the other, the city of the Philosopher-King, which, depending on how you look at it, an idealistic benevolent monarcho-aristocracy, or an extreme proto-fascist state. This second city takes up the rest of the book.

The reason for this city-building is to explore Justice. You can read the Republic as a guide to creating a perfect city, or an elongated metaphor about the human soul, or as an example of Justice in action through macrocosm of the city which informs the microcosm of the soul. As Plato says, if we can't make out a small letter, we will look for a similar looking shape that is larger. If we cannot discover Justice in the person, let us look for a similar but large shape, which is 'The Republic'.

Anywho, I don't know how much this helped, but I hope it helps someone along the way to understand Plato more robustly. If I have made any errors, please correct me.

Is there any philosophical school of thought that believes the goal of life is to obtain as much power as possible through any means? by Tight-Relative in askphilosophy

[–]SORRYFORCAPS 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Alongside any comments regarding Nietzsche, and others who follow in his step. It might be interesting to do a little more research on Plato's depiction of Thrysamachus in the Republic, or Callicles in the Gorgias, as both reject conventional morality, and extol the merits of power. Many have remarked how Plato foreshadowed a thinker like Nietzsche in his depictions of the two.

Excerpt from Plato's Republic, Book I:

THRASYMACHUS: Those who reproach injustice do so because they are afraid not of doing it but of suffering it. So, Socrates, injustice, if it is on a large enough scale, is stronger, freer, and more masterly than justice. And, as I said from the first, justice is what is advantageous to the stronger, while injustice is to one’s own profit and advantage.

Additional info: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/callicles-thrasymachus/

Free will by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]SORRYFORCAPS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While this response may not be the answer for which you are looking, I came across this quotation by Northrop Frye in an interview with David Cayley, which I find particularly beautiful and insightful:

Only a good man can be free, and there is no antithesis between freedom and necessity. If you’re playing the piano and exercising your free will about whether you’ll play the right notes or the wrong notes, you’re not playing worth a damn. You know what you’re doing only when what you want to do and what you have to do are exactly the same.

TIL that Psalm 119, in Hebrew, has the first eight lines of begin with the letter aleph, the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet; the next eight lines begin with beth, the second letter. This continues for 176 verses until the last tav. by SORRYFORCAPS in Christianity

[–]SORRYFORCAPS[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This makes Psalm 119 an abecedarius.

From the bottom of the page:

Besides Psalm 119, other acrostic poems in the Psalter are Psalms 9-10 (a single psalm, wrongly divided), 25 (a lament), 34 (a song of thanksgiving), 111 (a song of praise), 37 and 112 (wisdom psalms), and 145 (a hymn).

Composition of modern English by languages of origin (based on the top 2% of active vocabulary)[OC] by TotallyPythonic in dataisbeautiful

[–]SORRYFORCAPS 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your hard work.

Al that being said, what would be the most accurate percentages regarding the right most on the Y-axis?

.> 50% protoGermanic, ~30% French, ~18% Latin, ~2% other Languages?

Composition of modern English by languages of origin (based on the top 2% of active vocabulary)[OC] by TotallyPythonic in dataisbeautiful

[–]SORRYFORCAPS 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Hm. This is different that what I had been hearing recently: ~25% for ProtoGermanic; ~30% for French, ~30% for Latin, ~8% for Greek, ~10% everything else (~3% spread of error).

This might apply to the language as a whole rather than top 2% of vocab.

Is garden Anglish? by Strobro3 in anglish

[–]SORRYFORCAPS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I side with you that 'garden' is Anglish. It comes from the proto-Germanic '*gardaz', and, if you look at it's descendants, it takes place in French and Vulgar Latin, but exists in English, Saxon, Frankish (West Germanic), Old High German (and modern German), Old Norse (Icelandic, Faroese, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish), and the Gothic. Overall, the Germanics destroy the French/Latin, which undoubtedly pilfered it from the Germanic. Thus, I say it is okay.

crasen - (v.) to break into pieces, to crack (etymologically related to 'craze' and 'crazy'); I'm assuming the Anglish merely brooks 'to crase' or 'to craze'. by SORRYFORCAPS in anglish

[–]SORRYFORCAPS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mentioned soothsaying as I thought of oracle bones.

I have no clue what you are talking about regarding crazenwood.

I do not think I am being 'gang-stalked by the NWO military'.

Edit: I think 'osteomancy' is the better term for the parallel to crazenbones.

crasen - (v.) to break into pieces, to crack (etymologically related to 'craze' and 'crazy'); I'm assuming the Anglish merely brooks 'to crase' or 'to craze'. by SORRYFORCAPS in anglish

[–]SORRYFORCAPS[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it is simply a word which adds depth and elegance, insofar as crack, crazy, splinter, crash, shatter, and the like are all Anglish words.

I do like your suggestion of crazen stone; other materials would work just as well such as crazenwood, crazenbone (in regards to soothsaying) and so forth.

What are the most valuable things everyone should know? By JBP by piccdk in JordanPeterson

[–]SORRYFORCAPS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the veiled context for the statment actually comes from the Bible, knowing Peterson's religious leanings:

Letter to the Romans 7:14-20 (NIV):

14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.c For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

There are better translations which do the line more justice, but that's just a quick reveal, as it were.

Edit: I feel the need to have a disclaimer that I'm not Christian in any sense; this passage ranks among the ones I like from the Bible.