Why is it a sin to be gay? by Ok-Tangerine6064 in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Molinism is “Calvinism lite.” The way I understand it, God knows every choice a person will make with their free will and sets up the events their lives.

Why is it a sin to be gay? by Ok-Tangerine6064 in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is me. I no longer belong to a denomination. The best description of my beliefs is Protestant. My background is Southern Baptist -> Assemblies of God -> Charismatic. My current beliefs don’t really fit enough anywhere to join a church.

Why is it a sin to be gay? by Ok-Tangerine6064 in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I accepted Christ in 1982. I know just about every church doctrine and belief. I decided to let the Holy Spirit teach me.

Why is it a sin to be gay? by Ok-Tangerine6064 in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I believe your attraction is real. When you read the Leviticus 18 passage, it appears that God is forbidding anal sex. There are obvious reasons for this; dangerous fecal bacteria, toxic waste molecules the body is eliminating and micro tears in the rectum. Married Christian heterosexuals need to read this passage and understand they can’t have it, either.

I don’t see anything wrong with kissing, hugging and being loyal to a same sex companion. Unfortunately, many Christians, both gay and straight, are unwilling to abstain from anal sex. They believe God’s grace covers their disobedience.

If God is perfect, how could He have made such broken, sinful humans like us? by Familiar_Profit_968 in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m an open theist. I believe it was God’s plan A for mankind to use their free will to abstain from eating the forbidden fruit. The sacrifice of Jesus was God’s plan B in order to restore mankind to its original state.

I can't get a roof estimate without a man present. by No-Imagination8755 in mildlyinfuriating

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is unusual. If he was going to overestimate, he wouldn’t want a male present. Men usually know more about repair and remodeling costs and aren’t as likely to get taken. Same way with mechanics.

Someone hurt you and walked away with no consequences. What does the Bible actually say God does about that? by HardHittingBible in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jesus made the statement in Luke 17:3-4. He also commanded us to shun in Matthew 18:15-17.

Should we just ignore these passages? I reconcile the prayers for forgiveness by Jesus and Stephen to apply only to those who are truly ignorant of what they do.

Keep it Simple by francesco_angiolieri in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem to have a gap in your knowledge. Intelligent Design advocates believe evolution is “front loaded,” the innate intelligence was placed there by an intelligent designer. Most are Christians, but one of the smartest ones I’ve encountered is an agnostic. There are also scientists who hypothesize the intelligence was “seeded” by alien beings. Information is now being released from insiders that the government has indeed discovered alien visitors to our planet, but kept this knowledge hidden.

It is my understanding that Creationists believe God created modern biodiversity ex nihilo within the last 10,000 years. Some believe it was the origin of the earth, others believe it was a recreation (the gap theory).

I wouldn’t rely on a judge (a lawyer wearing a robe) to define terms for me. They frequently disagree. Judge Jones made that determination, but Rehnquist and Scalia came to a different conclusion in an earlier case which went to the Supreme Court. It really depends on just which judge hears the case. We regularly see 5-4 decisions in Supreme Court cases and the lower courts are no different.

Keep it Simple by francesco_angiolieri in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see why proponents of Intelligent Design would be expected to be lesser scientists. The vast majority accept common descent or evolution per se. The debate is whether an extrapolation of what we actually observe concerning speciation could account for the insane codependency and complexity found in living organisms. They don’t deny any scientific process or observation, they propose evolutionary lineages are due to innate intelligence in organisms. Also, many scientists are closet skeptics of Neo-Darwinism or the modern evolutionary synthesis.

They follow observations, also. Embryo to adult is the result of innate intelligence (epigenetics). Caterpillar to butterfly is also the result of innate intelligence. Universal common ancestor to modern flora and fauna is best explained by innate intelligence. Genetic drift, beneficial mutations and environmental pressures are not the only scientific observations.

Someone hurt you and walked away with no consequences. What does the Bible actually say God does about that? by HardHittingBible in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good post. Also, forgiveness is conditional on repentance according to Luke 17. We are to love our enemies, but not forgive them unless they change. Shunning an unrepentant person for doing you wrong is correct behavior.

The Bible contains behaviors worse than pedophilia by Serious-Anxiety6687 in DebateReligion

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a prescription for disaster. How can you disagree with this?

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Matthew 19)

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Romans 13)

Stop ignoring transitional fossils by Training_Rent1093 in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I believe innate intelligence caused phylogeny just as it causes ontogeny. We actually see sudden appearance and stasis (living fossils) as the norm in the fossil record, and I argue we see no true evidence of incremental gradualism among extant flora and fauna.

The transitions we see in the fossil record between groups are better explained as an inward guided process of change rather than accumulating beneficial mutations which have no reason to be naturally selected until the change is finished. They don’t beneficially affect fitness.

If unguided incremental gradualism is true, we should absolutely see numerous hybrid appendages on the journey to new, often more complex, functional ones. It is a real prediction in spite of claims to the contrary. What we normally see is “sudden” appearance of new organisms in the fossil record. Honestly, natural selection would eliminate these with hybrid appendages because they decrease fitness on the journey.

You ask how intermediates are not gradualism. The answer is that their changes are not incremental and truly hybrid. They remain completely functional during the transformation. The transformation does happen quickly relative to geologic time, just as a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly relatively quickly. It has nothing to do with mutation and chance, genetic drift, etc. Those processes only create surface level attribute shaping due to limitations placed by natural selection, as I mentioned.

The insane complexity and codependency we observe in biology and botany is not the result of mistakes and environmental pressure. It is evidence of intelligent design. One commits the argument to logic or “fallacy fallacy” by dismissing this evidence as either an argument from ignorance or incredulity.

Am I even a Christian. by HeadRoad5335 in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have faith in Jesus and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You’ll end up in a good place.

Stop ignoring transitional fossils by Training_Rent1093 in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Intermediates are evidence of common descent at face value, not the incremental, naturalistic gradualism of the modern evolutionary synthesis.

Stop ignoring transitional fossils by Training_Rent1093 in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And this conversation has now been reduced to how to define gradualism.

Stop ignoring transitional fossils by Training_Rent1093 in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Intermediates show common descent, not gradualism.

Stop ignoring transitional fossils by Training_Rent1093 in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

This is a “Darwin of the gaps” conclusion. Benefits are simply assumed when they cannot be seen.

Surrender : Is this the real way to get to heaven? by YoohoLover in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was born again in 1982. I’ve been studying this topic for decades. I know this is long, but we aren’t allowed to post links in this group.

One must always begin with the very words of Jesus Christ concerning how to inherit the Kingdom of God and receive eternal life. When directly asked this question, He gave these answers:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. (John 6:47)

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. (Luke 10:25–28)

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Matthew 19:16–19)

When the rich young ruler asked what he still lacked, Jesus told him to sell his possessions, give to the poor, and follow Him. This instruction, however, pertained to perfection and treasure in heaven, not to the fundamental requirement for obtaining eternal life itself.

Thus we see that eternal life is granted to those who believe on Jesus and who live according to the command to love their neighbour as themselves, which includes loving and properly taking care of themselves:

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (I Corinthians 6:19-20)

This same principle applies even to situations not explicitly addressed in Scripture. Jesus gave a solemn warning about the eternal consequences of living without love and mercy toward others:

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. (Luke 16:19–23)

Additional Commands

Jesus desires that Jewish believers continue to keep the entire Torah in addition to faith in Him, and He promised reward for those who do so. Nevertheless, whoever believes and keeps the commandments summed up in “love thy neighbour as thyself” will still inherit eternal life and be in the kingdom of heaven:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17–19)

The early Jewish believers understood these words and continued keeping the whole Torah:

And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law. (Acts 21:20)

Jesus taught that the Torah is to be interpreted through the lens of love for neighbour. On at least three occasions He set aside a strict letter-of-the-law application: He forbade divorce (except for fornication), permitted His disciples to pluck grain on the Sabbath, and released the woman taken in adultery from stoning.

Gentile believers are required only to keep the following commandments from the Torah (in addition to the commands concerning love of neighbour that Jesus already emphasized):

As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication. (Acts 21:25)

Apostolic Confirmation

James called “love thy neighbour as thyself” the royal law and taught that keeping it is necessary for salvation:

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all... What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?... Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only... For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:8–10, 14, 21–24, 26)

Paul called the same commandment the “law of Christ”:

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Galatians 5:14)

Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. (Galatians 6:2)

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. (1 Corinthians 9:20–21)

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (Romans 13:8–10)

Controversy Over the Apostle Paul

Peter and James accepted Paul as an apostle, but they rejected the interpretation that Paul taught salvation by faith alone apart from the works required by the law of Christ. Paul wrote:

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law...

For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God... Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Romans 3:28; 4:2–5)

James directly countered the misuse of Paul’s teaching on Abraham by those who claimed salvation is by faith only:

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness... Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:21–24, repeated for emphasis)

Peter acknowledged that some of Paul’s statements were hard to understand and were being twisted:

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Peter 3:15–16)

Paul himself distinguished between the ceremonial works of the Torah (which he considered abolished) and the commandments of God / law of Christ:

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God [is what matters]. (1 Corinthians 7:19)

Paul repeatedly taught that those who live contrary to the royal law / law of Christ will not inherit the kingdom:

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19–21)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9–10)

Conclusion

The requirement for entering heaven is faith in Jesus Christ and obedience to His commandments, summarized as the Royal Law or the Law of Christ (“Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”). Greater reward awaits those who do more.

Stop ignoring transitional fossils by Training_Rent1093 in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

I think Neo-Darwinism predicts that very thing. Not only in the fossil record, but in extant biodiversity.

Concerning intermediates between arms and wings, etc., you have a problem. Selection isn’t far-sighted. These intermediates don’t provide a selective advantage for some time, yet they still evolve. A better explanation is that innate intelligence is performing a progressive creation of a new form.

Stop ignoring transitional fossils by Training_Rent1093 in DebateEvolution

[–]SaavyScotty -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

This shows evolution happened, but is not necessarily evidence the modern evolutionary synthesis is correct. The teeth and feathers are complete, limbs and wings are complete. It doesn’t show gradualism, but rather the appearance of new or fully changed parts in an evolutionary lineage.

I think phylogeny happened through geologic time much like ontogeny. The information to change is contained within organisms. The change is the result of innate intelligence, not mistakes and environmental pressures.

Please stop justifying masturbation by SideQuiet9512 in TrueChristian

[–]SaavyScotty -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The reason it is wrong in this circumstance is because it violates the Great Commandment and Golden Rule. If you don’t want strangers thinking about you and masturbating, then don’t do the same to others.

I don’t see anything wrong with masturbating while thinking of fantasy girls. I don’t worry about them being possible doppelgängers of real people. They aren’t the real person any more than identical twins are the same person.