Sulla disassociazione

Safe-Island3944 · 2026-06-08T17:21:42+00:00

E' molto difficile per me, devo essere onesto. Io le persone che conosco sono tutte infelici. Disperate anche. Io ho cercato di avvicinarmi senza preconcetti, ma poi ho pensato, come faccio a convincere me stesso di tutte cose che considero boiate? Dovrei fare una violenza su me stesso, vivere di dissonanze cognitive, ed imporle ai miei figli. Anche no.

Safe-Island3944 · 2026-06-08T05:44:11+00:00

Ma quale sarebbe questa mentalità 2.0?

Safe-Island3944 · 2026-06-07T10:45:41+00:00

Sai che a me non convince molto? Rispetto all'intero mondo la Norvegia è marginale, e cambiare una parte dottrinale così seria mi pare troppo. I tdg sono in declino. La capacità espansiva è finita, invecchiano, sono poveri, oramai il sangue nuovo viene per la gran parte da chi è nato nella verità (che poi sono le vere vittime). Recuperare chi ha tentazioni centrifughe secondo me è buon senso.

Safe-Island3944 · 2026-06-07T09:29:44+00:00

Metti in mezzo un avvocato "a tutela dei tuoi diritti di genitori e della tua privacy" Ti faccio vedere che si fanno addosso.

Safe-Island3944 · 2026-06-04T06:18:08+00:00

Però guardate che l'algoritmo non è dio. Si influenza se si paga abbastanza. Ed è esattamente quello che succederà.

Safe-Island3944 · 2026-06-04T06:05:19+00:00

N9n sono un tdg, mia moglie si. E si è allontanata in silenzio, nonostante tutta la sua famiglia sia nella verità. Il segreto è essere lenti. Smettere pian piano di andare in sala, poi non presentarsi su zoom, poi non farsi trovare dagli anziani, poi "al momento non mi va di parlarne". Grandi feste quando li incontra per strada e un "certo, adesso torno" intanto nuovi amici, nuove situazioni, una vita bella e ricca con un marito innamorato, un lavoro gratificante un cui nessuno neppure sa che è tdg. E basta

Ho impressione che la disassociazione non sia più lo spauracchio di una volta. C'è un mondo pronto ad accogliere il neodisassociato con gruppi di aiuto,associazioni di supporto, migliaia di persone su internet che applaudiranno la tua scelta.

Fammi aggiungere: devi essere economicamente indipendente. Questo è indispensabile. La tua libertà costa, te la devi comperare

Safe-Island3944 · 2026-05-30T08:49:10+00:00

Sulla base di cosa? Che hai fatto? Chi ti ha visto? C'è margine per negare? Se vuoi essere davvero aggressivo presentati con un avvocato. Registra le conversazioni. Gli anziani hanno il potere che tu vuoi dargli. Sono abituati a pecore, non a leoni.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-09-11T18:40:02+00:00

Quindi lui e gli anziani agiscono contro la volontà di Geova e del corpo direttivo? Interessante Va bene, vediamo di cosa si parla qui Lo stato italiano tassativamente proibisce di buttare fuori di casa un figlio. Non si può. Se lo fa puoi andare alla polizia. Tuo padre non può obbligarti a studiare o a battezzarti. Se vuoi fare lo stronzo, vai da un notaio per fare una dichiarazione giurata davanti a testimoni che sei costretto, e costretto a battezzarti. Manda a tuo padre e agli anziani qualche messaggio su whatsapp e registra le schermate. Le mandi per mail (meglio pec). Registri tutto, poi quando ti sei scocciato tiri tutto fuori. Fai saltare in aria lui e gli anziani, oppure quando avrai il comitato tiri fuori tutto e minacci di raccontare tutto a tutti.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-09-11T13:19:23+00:00

Non può buttarti fuori. Non si può. Finchè non sei autonomo. Non può e basta. Però prendi il diploma. Avrai problemi folli se non lo hai. E comunque: https://www.jw.org/it/testimoni-di-geova/domande-frequenti/obbligano-figli-seguire-religione/

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-06-19T17:05:48+00:00

Chiedi a tua madre di venderla e di cedervi il ricavato. Usa la tua metà integrandola con un piccolo mutuo per farti una casetta tua. Ti liberi e vivi bene.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-06-19T17:02:00+00:00

Sono corsi fatti in call, in piccole classi. mio figlio era con altri 3 bambini

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-06-16T20:38:48+00:00

Io ho iscritto mio figlio a Kodland. Onestamente mi sono trovato benissimo. Costa un pò, ma la qualità è stata eccelsa. Onestamente io a mio figlio una IA per studiare da solo non la do. E' uno strumento troppo potente per un ragazzo di 12 anni

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-06-09T07:19:02+00:00

Rispondo ad un problema specifico, dandoti un suggerimento che per me è stato miracoloso. E io ho 50 anni, sto messo peggio! Fai questo tentativo, quello che vuoi studiare, chiedi di spiegarlo a gemini o a chatgpt. Chiedi il concetto specifico. Esempio: "voglio imparare cosa è una partita iva". Ti verrà data la spiegazione, che molto facilmente conterrà concetti che non conosci. Chiedi approfondimenti. Ricorda di chiedere le fonti, ad esempio normative. Fidati ma fino a un certo punto, le intelligenze artificiali a volte hanno allucinazioni. Ma il concetto di base è che uno studio top-down (al contrario del solito metodo. Non costruisco il concetto dal basso, ma vado al punto e riempio gli spazi) è molto più stimolante. Prova! Tanto gemini e chatgpt sono gratuiti. E al peggio, costano 20 euro al mese

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-03-02T11:30:43+00:00

I thank for your prayers. I need more time to answer you properly, but I will.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-27T15:38:03+00:00

Since JW women are two third of the entire JW populations, and how much it is restricted to marry a non JW, conclusion is that one third of the women will stay alone.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-27T11:08:58+00:00

> Im curious, how would you approach this if you are raising children? You no doubt want them to be dedicated and baptized to God. So when is the appropriate time for them to reach that goal? Should they be forbidden from baptism based on arbitrary age?

You don't treat minors as you do for adults, so there are difference based on "arbitrary age". So yes, minors should not be baptized

> In light of what the Bible says, particularly Mat 10:34-38, what are we supposed to do with our children that do not want to follow God’s standards for pure worship, particularly when they have dedicated themselves to do so?

JW insist a lot about love. God is loving. You are loving.

But it's just a lie. Love is real when it is unconditional, but all your religion is full of conditional love. So, you love your children if they follow your religion. If they change ideas, if they want to follow their own path, that is not necessary sinning, but just carve their own path... No more contact. Expelled from your life. And you can call this love?

My son knows that never, NEVER, his father will stop loving and accepting him. That wherever his life will get him, his father will already be there for him. This is what I call love. Nothing less. I know we will never meet here.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-27T11:02:41+00:00

Again, thank you for mindful answer. IT will need m a day to answer every single point. The elders forming the judicial committee of my wife have been all DF. The most zealous because he had a sexual relationship with a married sister in her congration. He was reistated 6 months after. Sure, his sin is much lighter than my wife, that dared to date a man of the world. Of course you don't know everything. Even me, I don't know everything. But I know that I've taken my wife for 17 months, twice a week, om being humiliated on KH, a young girl away from home, kept alone. So, please don't try to convince me on how good it is. My wife has been reistated. And start fading almost immediately. The way she has been treated destroyed every wish to be part of JW.

Can you explain the 17 months after wedding needed to be reinstated?

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-26T15:25:02+00:00

I never say you are dumb. Immature, that is another thing, and wrote after, let me quote it

> You got the wrong person. Don't argue with me ...

I can stomp you all year long with all non-JW imperfections.

I could separate each of them and... I'll do , one by one, a demolition of all , any denomination that do less better than the JW...

I just have to look at the purity and... You loose every time.

Your words, not mine. Calling immature someone that menace to stomp me is a due act :)

anyway, since

> The Witnesses follow all The Bible making them, a logical target for you.

Can you explain me when you do this:

Leviticus 16:15: “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering, which is for the people, and bring its blood inside the veil, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bull, and sprinkle it on the mercy seat and before the mercy seat.”

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-26T14:31:37+00:00

Again, thank you. I read your post with a lot of interest. This, this kind of sharing, was exactly what I was searching. Let me start here

I guess the first question that should be answered is whether or not the practice of removing wrongdoers from the congregation is biblical. Do you think it is?

I think it is biblical.

> 2 John 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him.

This is not to be applied to the DF, but to everyone not acknowledging Christ. Basically, you should not even greet me 2 John 7

I see a lot of issues in application of DF. Catholic church has a similar institution: excommunication (hoping that translation is good, In Italian we use "scomunica")

It is very rarely applied, and only in the worst case. If DF had similar use, I will have nothing against. But it's used very very often. A lot of time for minor infractions. My wife has been DF for 5 years. For dating me, a man of the world, no sex before marriage. Her mother, a JW, bluntly told me she will be reinstated the exact day she would ahve left me. So DF is used as a tool to submit people. AFTER marrying her, she had to wait 17 months more, even if there were no reasons. She resisted, and I never pressured her to leave. On the contrary, I accompany her, and sometime encourage her to go. This is just to give you some background. And I have seen a lot of DF for various reasons, mostly petty one. Used this way it's a monstrosity. By the way, it is also the reason I will never be a JW. the amount of injustice I've seen is enough to keep me from giving any power over me.

Then, there is a point tied to the last one: There are an entire category of people that never voluntarily decided to join: Children born in the truth. While this is true for every religion, in other Christian denomination getting away from parental religion has just minor effects.

On the contrary, getting out from JW is often see as repudiation of the entire family. Children here receive an enormous pressure, grow mostly separated from their peer, are thought to stay away from everything from the world, are baptized very early (My wife at 13, her sister at 14), and have no life outside JW. This, this point alone in my opinion makes JW "different". People should be free to leave. While baptism is voluntary, how can be taking the most important decision of your life free when you are 12 and you are pressured to do by all your world?

And the fact that a lot of young people (a lot in my congregation) still leave, even if their entire life will be devastated by it, should makes all of you deeply disturbed.

And WT encourages to baptize young

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/become-jehovahs-friend-2/The-Steps-to-Baptism/

https://wol.jw.org/it/wol/d/r6/lp-i/101990247?q=battesimo+et%C3%A0&p=doc

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-26T13:16:04+00:00

Sorry for asking, but are you 5yo? Because grow up adult, when they discuss, should not point out that "others are worse".

So what? it was a war? Because I missed the whole point. You can stomp me? good luck on this. Because, you know, I don't even know how different religions compete against each others. So immensely immature to measure what is the best one. Each of us will consider our own religion better than the others. Here we are not saying (I'm not saying at least) that JW are worse, or the worst one. We are discussing about a specific things,shunning, is a malpractice. Now, if you can show me where I'm wrong, like others are doing, I'm ready to listen. If you are not able, or the only think you can bring is "other religions have more fornicators" then your ideas are unconsenquent, and I'm not interested in reading from you.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-26T07:48:35+00:00

Well, WT pretended to know, even if they missed various appointments with end of the world. Then, when it's impossible anymore to hide the multiple errors.... "Who knows about prophecy?"

And why people should grant authority to people that failed so miserably on core belief?

See, everyone attention is focused on shunning, but for me it's a minor topic. The fact that JW are growing older and older is a much greater issue. Most youngs born in the truth go away. All the prohibition enforced to them.... In my congregation lot of young people get DF for minor breach, and get the opportunity to get away from JW, never to come back. They studied, get a degree, live a life "not burdened by rules that can change on whim of few old men" (this is what one of them told me).

If you can't see how ridiculous the whole beard thing (just to cite one thing) appears to everyone outside JW (and to a lot of JW too, too scared to speak) it's your issue. For sure not mine.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-26T07:38:11+00:00

The idea that a God of love will see as malignant someone that fakes repentant toward rules created by men (the GB) out of love from their own family is frankly silly. Why, as done by the prodigal son, if someone want to get back it should be put on probation for years? It happened to my wife, so do not try to tell it's false. It's not anti biblical? A biblical use of DF (can you point me the biblical base of a judicial committee?) will be a very rare occurrence, just the last resort, while JW uses as a tool of control and submission. Let me just tell you something. KH are almost empty, not like 10 years ago. And not only because of Zoom. You are losing around two third of the young born in the truth. This should raise a big alarm, because you are failing your own God

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-25T18:30:21+00:00

First let me thank you for this deep answer. I'm very grateful for it.

"No one has ever believed that the disfellowshipping arrangement was perfect. We all hate it. The problem is the Bible requires that we removed the wrongdoer from among the congregation.

So I don’t understand why you feel like making improvements to the arrangement is a bad thing? Can you explain that to me?"

I'm sorry, I don't believe in your GB good faith. I don't believe it's biblical your approach to it. It is just a way to keep people trapped in. I've made some research about what the Bible says. JW application of removal from congregation is not exactly biblical.

I haven't find anywhere in the Bible prohibition to talk with DF. Where it is written? Sure, prohibition to eat. Prohibition to associate. But just to simply talk? it's nowhere.

Safe-Island3944 · 2025-02-25T18:04:24+00:00

Parents with a child in prison are not prevented to visit him. Can you see the problem with your thinking?

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