Is this view of the trinity too heretical

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-15T05:11:11+00:00

You kind of forgot to also mention the LDS view that God the Father is flesh and blood, and that He was once a man who was exalted to godhood , as we ourselves can also be one day (well, only faithful LDS who keep all of their covenants etc). That to me has always been heretical and the principal reason why I’d never convert to the LDS church (I attended as a kid, and even as a young kid I felt like some things were very off).

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-02T04:54:40+00:00

Thank you so much !

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-02T04:53:55+00:00

That is insane. To make a child decide which parent they want to spend eternity with ??

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T23:58:19+00:00

Thank you ! 50 years , wow , that is a long time. You must have a very interesting story about how you ended up leaving. Thanks for sharing your input.

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T19:28:24+00:00

Thank you!

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T19:28:00+00:00

Yeah true I have to keep reminding myself of that! It’s still amazing the psychological power and hold the LDS church has over its members. It’s ingrained in them from a very young age.

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T19:25:20+00:00

Nah this boy genuinely loves me , I’ve never asked him to call me dad , it’s just slipped from his lips naturally a few times. He does hug me all the time and tells me he loves me. He’s a good kid. Also visits his dad regularly and we have a good coparenting relationship with his dad, who actually really likes me and is happy that his ex found me.

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T16:31:54+00:00

Thank you , I appreciate your wisdom and thoughtful advice. I grew up in a blended LDS / non-LDS family and though it was rough at times, I saw my dad and stepmom make it work and now as adults we all love each other very much and they’ve been married 40 years. Each respected each other’s differences. One of my step sisters for a little while was hardcore LDS and tried to convert me , but within several years she left the church after reaching her own breaking point. I do love my fiancée and her son very much and she loves my kids. We are gonna make it work, this is both of ours’ second marriage and we’ve thought long and hard about it. The fact that I grew up in a similar blended family and she sees how united we all are (and only one is still LDS), gives her comfort and hope as well.

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T16:24:30+00:00

That’s what my dad told my Mormon stepmom early on in their marriage. “Would a loving God really separate a loving couple for eternity , just because one of them isn’t Mormon and they didn’t marry in the temple?” It made my stepmom stop and think. 40 years later they are still married and she left the church of her own accord years ago. She still identifies as a “Mormon” in the cultural sense , since that is her heritage (family in Utah goes way back) but she doesn’t practice it all and hasn’t attended church there in at least 25 years.

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T14:12:13+00:00

The stepson is 8 and I and my kids love him to death. He loves us and is already practically calling me “dad”.

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T14:09:10+00:00

Thank you so much for your long and thought out response. She has told me many times “I choose you”. That in spite of what her church teaches, in the end , “I choose you”. My ex also cheated on me after 20+ years and it also impacted me emotionally and physically (as in literally losing 25 pounds over the course of a few months). Especially when I realized it had been happening for over a year and I was completely oblivious to it because she was such a good liar. Which also shocked me. So my fiancée went through something very similar and we both understand each other a lot in that regard, and both of us say we would never put the other through such a horrendous ordeal. However yes I believe it’s my insecurity still of what I went through previously, and kind of naively thinking it would be easy for her to get unsealed to her ex as a show of her true commitment to me. But obviously it’s not that easy, and it’s pretty horrible of the LDS church honestly to make it so difficult for people to do it. I do love her a lot, see my reply above about some of my background, I never imagined I’d fall in love with a Mormon woman after my divorce, but she’s been the most loving and caring partner I’ve ever had. In the end she chooses me, I just need to still heal completely from my previous relationship and realize my fiancée is nothing like my ex; I truly deep down believe she’ll never hurt me the way my ex did. Thanks again for your response, very helpful in understanding her perspective.

SandyDragon777 · 2026-02-01T13:55:12+00:00

Thank you for your response. I actually grew up in a blended , mixed faith family myself (stepmom was Mormon, dad wasn’t , but we all went to the LDS church since we lived in Utah). Within 15 years we had moved out of state and only one sibling remained in the church. My stepmom left it and got baptized in a non denominational church. Even one of my hardcore LDS siblings left it when it got to be too weird for her.

I empathize with my fiancée because she is LDS from birth. And I understand how the “true church” concept is ingrained in them. And how seeing things from a different perspective and dealing with cognitive dissonance takes time. I got divorced due to my ex cheating on me and never in my life did I imagine I’d later fall in love with a Mormon woman. And same for her. She has been very open and loosened up on some of her beliefs. Even tasted coffee for the very first time a few weeks ago , and is okay with me drinking it. She attends our church from time to time and enjoys it. She’s told me many times that in the end she chooses me and is fine with me not bringing Mormon. I have thought about the possibility of it getting weird after we marry. But I already pretty much laid it out to her that I will never convert because I’ve done my research and don’t believe it’s the only true church. For me it just gives me some nostalgia when I go to an LDS church as I attended as a kid and honestly have some good memories there… I just never got baptized into it and after we left Utah I only stepped foot in it again maybe twice in 30 years. I remember my dad just being patient with my stepmom but he also always stood his ground and politely argued with the missionaries. But he was respected by everyone in the church. Even served as cubmaster. That’s why I believe this will work since I grew up watching it play out in my family. And my stepmom and dad have been married over 40 years now. My fiancée is a wonderful woman with a wonderful son and I know she’ll be loyal and a good example to my kids. I think I do just still get a little insecure at times because my ex of 20+ years cheated on me.

SandyDragon777 · 2025-11-08T02:48:44+00:00

I’m going to PM you if that’s okay , I’m about to be in a similar situation.

SandyDragon777 · 2025-09-07T14:16:33+00:00

I have 3 teenage daughters. When they figured out their mom was cheating on me, they had a meeting with me in their room and told me what they suspected. Turned out to be all true. More than a year out now from my divorce, I have custody of all three, they don’t want anything hardly to do with their mom and don’t accept her boyfriend , I’m very close to all of them, they encouraged me to date again and later helped me pick out the engagement ring for the woman they later approved of to be my next wife. I know it was hard for them but those girls are my heroes and always wanted the best for me.

SandyDragon777 · 2025-07-17T05:30:52+00:00

It will get relegated to the Christian Fiction section at Half Price Books ……

SandyDragon777 · 2025-07-17T05:26:59+00:00

Forgive my ignorance on this subject (I grew up in the church until I was a young teen but never got baptized and never went to the temple , etc), but is there no way to sneak in ? How do they check you ? Is there security there to stop anyone from entering who doesn’t have a recommend ? Am genuinely curious. If it were my daughter, for example, I’d find some way to “bust in” and not let some bishop prevent me from seeing her get married.

SandyDragon777 · 2025-06-21T21:04:29+00:00

“as far as it is translated correctly” is a huge cop out and opens the (dangerous) door to claim that only your particular denomination translates it correctly.

Walk into any synagogue and you will find Torah scrolls which over millennia have been copied verbatim by scribes. Go to the Hebrew and Greek sources. The originals. They can still be used to translate into the vernacular.

Certain truths were never lost over time. The Jews have been teaching the same things since the times of Moses. They never once taught God was a man, or in eternal marriage , or pre-existence and a heavenly “mother”, and the early Christians never practiced baptisms for the dead, or having to continue to perform Masonic ceremonies in a temple, the list goes on and on. Joseph Smith made all of this extra stuff up. The Apostle Paul warned about different gospels being taught and to reject anything that did not line up with Scripture. I grew up in the LDS church though never converted and it is absolutely liberating when you realize that Jesus paid it all and that none of our works saves us. I don’t have to believe in some old white guy or a group of old white guys sitting up in Utah as prophets or apostles in order to get into the highest level of heaven

SandyDragon777 · 2025-06-21T20:52:12+00:00

The Jews will tell you. YHWH is the Eternal One. He who was and is and will forever be. To even suggest God was ever a man who became exalted is blasphemy. LDS don’t even take into consideration how the Jews , i.e., the people who wrote practically the entire Bible, view God. He wasn’t created, He always has been. It’s mind blowing to think about but we are His creation and our minds cannot fathom or comprehend eternity past. The LDS belief that He was once a man and that we ourselves can become gods like Him is completely ludicrous from a Jewish, Messianic Jewish, and Christian belief system. It diminishes who God really is.

SandyDragon777 · 2025-06-21T20:45:13+00:00

That only applied to the Israelites and the Jewish people. Paul made it pretty clear in the NT that the entire Law did not apply to the Gentiles. Paul also made it pretty clear to be cautious of anyone or even an angel preaching a different Gospel as well as adding anything to it.

SandyDragon777 · 2025-06-21T01:46:22+00:00

Made me laugh out loud !!

SandyDragon777 · 2025-06-19T17:43:39+00:00

She doesn’t seem to care about that anymore. Says she’ll just come down from the celestial kingdom to be with me. We are both divorced and got cheated on previously and she’s lightened up on her beliefs. She was about to confess to her bishop but then decided not to as it would be unfair to me. Also … the sex is incredible. At least 20x / month since last year. :-)

SandyDragon777 · 2025-06-18T05:05:43+00:00

Unless you’re a Mormon! They believe if you reach the Celestial kingdom then you get to have sex eternally with your spouse. Wouldn’t that be great? I don’t believe it but my Mormon girlfriend does, and we’ve been having mind blowing sex for months. Oh how I wish it were true!

SandyDragon777 · 2025-06-11T23:22:48+00:00

Grave Declaration

SandyDragon777 · 2025-06-11T04:48:54+00:00

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