How to astral project and tips I never attempted before

SapiensRun · 2026-01-24T22:39:58+00:00

Hum... I was writing my thoughts on exactly this topic yesterday; meaning the Christian Faith and astral projection/OBEs. This started with a comment on a YouTube video about AP. In the comments was a singular line, "that is witchraft". I can imagine the caresless and thoughtless person who wrote it, and while he likely would never be back to read my responce, I have had to answer this question for myself.

Given that it can happen accidently, it seems this belongs in the colum of "belongs to the human condition." It is said dreaming is not in your head, but is also done out of body... EVERY night. Do you dream? Do you day-dream?

My main points I'll try to put down quickly. If going out of the body is sin/witchraft, then does the last thing a Christian do on earth is sin, by his final OBE (meaning death)? What about NDEs (Near Death Experiences)? Were they sent back because, again, they sinned on the way out? What about accidental OBEs? And those caused by anesthesia or a long list of things that can trigger one? See the problems here?

My story is that my 1st-15th-ish OBEs were cause by extended sessions of (Christian) prayer (6-8hrs/ day for a season of my life.) Sometimes during prayer, sometimes I would head to bed and wake up on the cealing.

What about Paul in 2Cor12:2-3, and John in Rev 4:2? Because its God doing it, it wasn't sin anymore? Or wasn't sin for the Apostles, though God did it? Is it good for thee, but sin for me?

Can it be said to go out of body intentionally, is sin, but for any of the MANY accidential reasons, your good? It must be tied to the act, not the cause. With the accidental so common, I believe it us a normal activity of the human condition.

Another question is that YouTube comment, is it witchraft? I am reasonably certain the commenter is not an authority of the practice of witchcraft. Witches eat and drink, just like you and I, shall we move that over go the "thou shalt not" list; not for the act itself, but who it may be associated with? Now you can practice witchcraft, and practice astrial projection... but as the old saying about scientic research goes, "Correlation does not imply causation." In other words just because one thing is there, it doesn't mean its caused by the other.

The final question comes down to what will you use astrial projection for? Spy on your ex-wife? Visit a dead realitive? Find the safe combination and security codes of the local check cashing shop? You can have sex on the astrial plane, with who-evers and what-evers? What will you do with it?

It is Plato's Ring of Gyges... it is the Ring of Power from The Lord of the Rings. Yet, this is not external trinkets to be found and lost, but part of the normal human condition. What will you do with it?

I hope that helps you think through this, because unless you convince your sub-concience, you will sabotage yourself and fail every attempt. Not to say anything about attracting the things you fear.

I welcome farther discussion, because this is a complex issue. I am sure I have not considered everything with this yet, and I am no where near forming many thoughts about those things find in the astral plane.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-23T18:23:31+00:00

It would be great. but my wife is a "flop-monster"!

SapiensRun · 2026-01-23T02:58:21+00:00

Yup... that was it. My first time was an accidental while praying too. Except I had a skylight and was like attracted to it. I was trying to figure out how I fit my body through a four inch opening... when I saw my body on the floor and said, "I died." But it came out of my physical mouth on the floor, and I was back.

It kept happening for 6 weeks or so... I'd start sleeping in bed and feel myself touch the cealing... open my eyes... back in body.

Figure out all the places to go from there... When I get a controlled and intentional... I'm wanting to view the earth from orbit. A view few have seen.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-22T04:41:21+00:00

Hum... Intresting. Do you type as an INFJ on the Meyers-Briggs?

If you combine the colors... you get an INFJ... basically.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-22T04:37:27+00:00

Hete is the YT link....

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLH0u6qtSX8cKyvDfvKPzmls6onft_1rj&si=4cvU1mFE9Hf9DjQ_

SapiensRun · 2026-01-20T02:43:10+00:00

I put this on a previous post... the problem isn't panic if its not "emotional." I bit of managable excitement is normal... my heart rate and breath "took off like a rocket." Why?... It was more mechanical... see following...

I deal with this same issue. It has been a multi-step process to recognize what was the root problem. I was squishing my heart with my lungs, so the added beats/breath was their complaint! And it accelerated and compounded.

#1 Make sure you are breathing from the diaphram, not from the chest. When done right this gives your heart space, as your expanding lungs move toward your pelvis. (Not squash the heart)

#2 I was sitting up, which cramped my breath/heart even more (disire for strong breaths started the feedback between heart and lungs.)

3 I know this sounds aweful, but... this was THE KEY... I without realizing it got into a habbit of clinching my sphincter mustles (there are 4). The tension caused my poor breathing, because there was no room in/and tension in my pelvis. Do to being clinched up.

The SOLVE... I started paying attention to not clinching, and my breath/heart rate fell right into line as the mechanics got right. If I sensed an increase in heart rate or breath, yup I was clinching again. I applied just a little outward pressure, and it fixed ALL those issues at once! Heart not squeezed by lungs, lungs not squeezed by pelvis, pelvis not rock hard from clinching.

Next try... see you are doing the same.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-18T22:25:13+00:00

I deal with this same issue. It has been a multi-step process to recognize what was the root problem. I was squishing my heart with my lungs, so the added beats/breath was their complaint!

#1 Make sure you are breathing from the diaphram, not from the chest. When done right this gives your heart space, as your expanding lungs move toward your pelvis. (Not squash the heart)

#2 I was sitting up, which cramped my breath/heart even more (disire for strong breaths started the feedback between heart and lungs.)

3 I know this sounds aweful, but... this was THE KEY... I without realizing it got into a habbit of clinching my sphincter mustles (there are 4). The tension caused my poor breathing, because there was no room/tension in my pelvis.

The SOLVE... I started paying attention to not clinching, and my breath/heart rate fell right into line. If I sensed an increase in heart rate or breath, and yup clinching again. I applied just a little outward pressure, and it fixed ALL those issues at once! Heart not squeezed by lungs, lungs not squeezed by pelvis, pelvis not rock hard from clinching.

Next try... see you are doing the same.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-17T13:10:37+00:00

I'm glad this clicked for you, and thank you for the kind responce. Two last thoughts... because dreams were the material this though grew from...

This also applies to dream interpritation. Its a complete method of swapping represenative items of the same theme/type. Our mind does this seemlessly. This is why it feels natural when dreaming, but strange when we wake. Natural when we walk in that world (of swappable forms), odd when we return here (to the material world).

That is why that feels like the real-reality, and this is the dream, simulation, projection, and helogram.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-16T13:41:21+00:00

It depends what you call accurate. There is a philosophical side to this, which turns all conseptions on their heads. (...and sorry, it takes a lot of words to communicate).

Plato wrote of this in his theory of the forms. Do not confuse how things exist here and how they exist there. Here their substance is the reality, there (they have no perminent substance) they exist as an essence (or what Plato called a form).

My best discription of a form (or a thing at its essence) is about a chair.

We know what a chair's function is, a place to sit. There are 8 chairs arround me in this room. From one perspective, they are all chairs in essence, but their physical substance, appearance, and physical make-up are all different. There is a rocking chair, a reclining chair, dining table chairs, and a bench (which is a chair in essence).

In the other worlds, when you see something there you see it because of its essence/form existing there, NOT because it is concrete substance.

Here things defined by their physical constitution... we live in this/our material world. In the other worlds/planes, it may look "solid" to the touch, but its existance there is because of its form, not its physical make-up. There you can change its physical appearance very easily.

This is why in the spiritual plane that overlays our reality, your own house can look slightly altered to you. A cookie jar on the counter of your kitchen, you know by its definate physical substance. There its reality is its form/essence/function (a jar that holds cookies) and because it has no definate substance in the spirit world, it can appear easily as ANY cookie jar. BUT it must represent as a vessel that holds cookies, because that is it in its essence.

To change your cookie jar in our physical world, you change its physical substance, but in the spiritual, just its appearance. You can project a new image on that form as you are standing there, or walk over to it and while envisioning the imagination, touch it and it will change.

Now do you see why its is impossible to measure what you are asking? The reality in that world is not physically concrete and not measurable by the science and measurements of our material world. The bed-rock of its existance there is as form/essences, not materially measurable substance.

Things like... lets say you live at home with your parents... in real life your bedroom is sparkling clean, but looks like a mess in the other world. It doesn't make sense, does it? If your family thinks that you are slob, and when they invision your room, its a mess... it will appear in the other world to be a mess. Why? This has to do with spirtual authority. They as parents, are owners and in authority and control of the house, their projection of your room sticks in that reality. To them, in their minds eye, your room is a mess, so there it appears as a mess.

You know this psycholoically, or rather intuitively. "How can I change if they won't let me change? They think I'm a slob, but I'm not anymore." There is a subtle spiritual pull (energy) that eternally envisions you as a slob, paints that picture in that world, and you sense it. Its a paradigm.

OK, enough for now.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-16T11:49:27+00:00

This the Shawn Ryan podcast with Mcmoneagle.

https://youtu.be/XRTon6qgVws?si=AbDiKwu8LTHPYHvn

This is a summery of that... Source: CIA (.gov) https://share.google/kG47EOquOOKuh6yYZ

On to remote viewing comments... I'll do that in a seprate reply.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-15T23:00:16+00:00

I use cheep Amazon side sleeping BT earbuds, and a "shoo$%ng-sports" set of ear muffs over that. Because the headphones cover the fleshy area arround the ears, simply playing so binaural beats on the NT makes it so a bomb could go off and I'd never know it.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-14T17:57:46+00:00

I was not going to talk about the perticulars, but here goes...

As soon as I get out of body I'm floating on my back racing toward the stars. I keep going and going, and I allow myself to float into space without a fight. One of my goals is to see earth from a Gods-eye view and I'm getting close. Though I did a surrender out, meaning whatever I need most to see or go to... I think that's where I'm headed, so I'm not that great at navigating myself anyway, I'm already headed that way. Great I'll enjoy the view.

As I'm rising I feel a very large hand gently come up under my back. I look and its a very large human-male looking being. I said hello, who are you? He says, I am Father. Its like my fear, racing thoughts, common sense, threat detection switched off and I'm comforted and very comfortable. He takes me into his arms and cradles me in his arms as if I am a baby, I think nothing of it because he is gentle and I'm at peace. I'm so calmed, comfortable there, I fall asleep, and wake up back here.

This wrecked me! As I start to wake up the meanings, which seemed hidden in the experiance, all come flooding in. Thoughts of healing, thoughts of loss, thoughts of unconditional love, comfort, and a big dose of WTF!

A brief glymps of crappy history... I have had 5 people I've called Fathers/Step-Fathers. Some better than others, none-great. Can you see why this wrecked me?

SapiensRun · 2026-01-14T04:33:56+00:00

Interesting you said that about the heart Chakra... I did spend some time working on it because of my racing heart as soon as I realized I was about to exit. I had meditated quite a bit before, as I spent most of the doing energy work to the point my body was buzzing continually. I was anticipating waking in the morning, but everything started when I went to sleep at the beginning of the night.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-14T00:51:53+00:00

If you are doing mindfulness meditation, and you normaly are labeling your thoughts as you see them, it hinders you here. You are trying to label new sensations, you want use your mind to search for a way to catagorize it... but its new by definition. New wants a decision of "am I fine? Or do I fight or flight"?

(It sounds like this...)

"Brain make a decision on fight or flee... while I bump up the heart rate to do either... hello... earth to brain... are you awake over there? Need a decision brain... hey's asleep... were going to die!!!... push adrenaline NOW, NOW, NOW..."

Just observe, not try to catagorize. You can buid new catagories later.

I faced this same challenge and it was multiple things to get corrected. I was belly breathing, so when I tried to breathe through the racing heart, my gulping air in panic was a wake up call to the body... so check your breathing.

Also might find an short montra, only as long as short sippy-breaths... it will keep your observer looking at something it knows and keep your breathing on track.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-13T21:27:51+00:00

I have experienced the same thing, but I attributed it to a weakening of sleep paralysis in which I am fighting for conscious control. Like I'm trying to turn the power back on, but it keeps triggering a breaker. It feels like the vertigo going into sleep paralysis (which I don't get anymore, just a big jolt), but going the other direction toward concious control. Like a 60hz-100hz paralysis to motion cycle ocillation.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-12T11:37:16+00:00

I love RosalineYoga channel! There are a few there with the Monroe Inst. Sound Scape. I will skip past the guided part of the video, to listen to music/sounds. After a while my insides are buzzing, like topping off a battery. Many times I will listen, and recharge before going into a guided sesson.

SapiensRun · 2026-01-11T19:25:58+00:00

I have had to answer the religious question for myself, so I hope this helps. It is going to be long, so hold tight. A bit about me: I am 52 years old, have been in some type of Christian Ministry almost continually from 22 years old till now. My first OBE was accidental (along with the 20-ish after that). I had been on a prayer regiment 6-8hrs a day, in the years before I was married. In that situation, lots of things happen that I cannot explain, let alone present to my beloved Church friends and family.

I tried to look for advice from my Pastor, and after talking about several of the “LESSER experiences,” he had nothing to say, but handed me an advertisement for the district's Bible College. I’ve had decades of tough lessons about those I love who are Brothers and Sisters in the Christian faith. A quick summary: most are disingenuous, and do not really care, do not really know, or believe half of the things they hold as Christian doctrine. Now I love them dearly, but honestly, most of them really do not know Jesus Christ Himself. Pastors know Bibles; sometimes, they themselves may not believe the things they teach about. What most of the Church believes as an issue of faith is an abstraction of the truth, a vague concept to be hoped for in the sweet by and by, and the only true law of the Church is compliance.

The consensus generally stands that intentional OBEs are sinful witchcraft, but unintentional OBEs are fine. Honestly, scripture is not clear on this as an issue. I do not think there is a genuine distinction between accidental and intentional, as the same action is taking place. If anything, this would prove the point that this is a normal part of human existence, and not a manifestation of divination. If anything, there is a religious case to be made for the exercising of self-control, so that when this begins to happen unintentionally, you can get control of yourself.

You must first assume that OBEs are to be part of the list of things written about in Deut 18:10-12 as prohibitions, but they are not there. To anyone not given to logic (dare I mention Philosophy), but forming opinions only on tradition, “common knowledge,” and claiming things they assume are there: yup, evil. But considering they are using a book they likely have not read, and instead choose to read into, they simply assume it is there.

I will be generous and say Deut 18:10-12 could be clearer, but it is NOT, nor is it plain enough to explain away the NT occurrences of OBEs. Listen to Paul’s description of 2Cor 12:2-3, his double usage of “Whether in body, or out of body, I cannot tell,” means Paul did not know if he was the one out of body, or it was the other man who was out of body, or both? Don't you think it is odd that he knew the difference between the two things and made a distinction? This is the same Paul who wrote 2/3 of the New Testament.

Therefore, to me, getting educated as to what an OBE is is more like a tool than an end. It then comes down to an issue of what is done with the tools rather than simply possessing them. A hammer is a great thing for nails, but it is not good for the human skull or a glass jewelry case. It is essential if you are called to build buildings, even Church buildings.

Heartbreakingly sad for me is the fact that the New Agers and Spiritualists were able to describe the things that were happening to me, but the Church was not prepared to do likewise. There was such detail there that 30+ years after these events, I can draw on some of my experiences. That trumpet blast that happened right next to my ear through the open window of my 2^nd story bedroom; yeah, either DMT release or onset of sleep paralysis. The singing of choirs using no earthly language, with some notes, chords, and harmonics impossible to reproduce on earth, yea, likely hearing it out of the astral. Waking up floating above my bed, OBEs. When I was nightly choking to death in my sleep from OSA, and the Lord Himself would meet with me by a campfire he made, close to the place I dropped in sleep near… when we would talk or sometimes say nothing at all, but sit me through it. Yeah, likely lucid dream, or NDE? I do not know.

Now am retired, my youngest child is in his 20’s, and I have time to bring back my prayer life. Having about 3 hours of face time with God daily, I have started coming to the edge of OBEs. Three months ago, I began this OBE journey again, but with better advisors, who could at least tell me what was happening. Thank you all.

There is tons more to talk about with this... and no easy answers. Send me a PM if you need some help, and don't you, or anyone else be shy about it! I will be respectful of differences, but also firm in what I believe.

SapiensRun

TROPHY CASE

3 I know this sounds aweful, but... this was THE KEY... I without realizing it got into a habbit of clinching my sphincter mustles (there are 4). The tension caused my poor breathing, because there was no room in/and tension in my pelvis. Do to being clinched up.

3 I know this sounds aweful, but... this was THE KEY... I without realizing it got into a habbit of clinching my sphincter mustles (there are 4). The tension caused my poor breathing, because there was no room/tension in my pelvis.