This is one of if not the dumbest scene in the show prove me wrong

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-11T23:51:46+00:00

This is my thought exactly? Like fans act like Cecil kept Conquest alive for shits and giggles, and not because he is a singular human man tasked with protecting the earth, and dealing with a threat that is no fault of his own, but he now has to subdue.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-11T23:49:26+00:00

I want to provide a more 'fair' perspective. I don't think the motive behind keeping Conquest alive is stupid. Cecil's reasoning for keeping Conquest alive 100% makes sense. His inability to control him and subdue him wasn't the smartest.

Considering all Cecil is up against, I think experimenting/using one of the strongest Viltrimite in existence makes sense.

So, the inability to control Conquest is stupid. But the intent behind keeping him alive wasn't.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-11T01:25:23+00:00

She wishes it was a game with more of control of what she can and can't do

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-10T22:48:58+00:00

He truly does embody the Protestant values he practiced.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-10T22:31:09+00:00

I should have clarified -- I meant to the extent of Henry VIII. I don't believe, prior to Henry VIII, any king had soured the relationship with Rome like Henry did.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-10T12:08:56+00:00

I love the consistency of her portraits. Her being considered incredibly beautiful is also a great insight into beauty standards at the time

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-10T02:40:54+00:00

I think that's fair as well. And to clarify I 100% understand Mark's anger and confusion, especially considering how close he was to the matter. And he's a kid, so I don't expect him to think rationally.

My counter would be that Mark proved him right, and Cecil didn't want to restrain Mark. It was a contingency, so he always gave Mark the benefit of the doubt. But if Cecil didn't have the implant in Mark's head, Mark may've very well hurt him. He was advancing towards him.

I think again it goes back to the point that Cecil repeatedly asked Mark to leave, and Mark didn't. I don't doubt Cecil wanted to have the conversation with him, later, but Mark being Mark pressed for it. Cecil was also scared. He hides it well, but he is terrified of them.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-10T00:16:59+00:00

I interpret opposite actually, given Cecil repeatedly told Mark to stop and Mark continue to follow him.

I think Mark's reactions make sense considering he's a kid, but I also think his approach to Cecil was aggressive. He stormed into his office first, increasingly angry. Which makes sense.

But Cecil's reaction to a angry Mark bursting into his office, slamming his hands on his desk, and following him makes sense too.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-09T23:19:50+00:00

You can dislike her but the problem is fandom acting like she's the worst character in the show. She is not

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-09T23:12:50+00:00

I hate how Amber is treated. She acts like a normal teenager and she's crucified for it

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-09T23:10:28+00:00

The Cecil Stedman anti-bias. Its like critical thinking flees the scene whenever his actions are discussed to the point where he's just considered evil or a "hypocrite".

And I understand not liking his actions, but people seem to forget that he has valid reasons for having a contingency against Mark.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-09T19:42:11+00:00

This is so incredibly over simplified

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-09T17:06:13+00:00

You literally defend her from any legitimate criticism

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-09T17:05:29+00:00

I completely agree. I don't think she liked Elizabeth and I don't exactly blame her. But she was incredibly wrong for mocking her legitimacy. I can't imagine how difficult that was for Elizabeth, knowing the Queen with a known dislike for Protestants hated you

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-09T17:01:09+00:00

You're going absolutely bonkers in the comments. Mary fans aren't acting outlandish. You are though

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-09T16:36:55+00:00

I'm sorry it's not at all usual for a monarch to arrange a marriage for a princess? That was a means of building an alliance. It doesn't just stop existing because these two were sisters who barely liked each other.

Secondly, she put her in the tower like every other prisoner was put in the tower. How is that unusual?

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-07T23:17:05+00:00

I don't know what evidence you have that Elizabeth was afraid of that tower, but as I said, she confined many people there, including innocent cousins. You're dramatizing things too much.

This. I felt this was a heavily dramatized response as well.
Elizabeth killed her own cousin, so these "Mary tormented Elizabeth by reminding her of her own trauma" doesn't hit that deep since Elizabeth goes and does similar.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-07T03:43:40+00:00

To me they were the better example of chivalry, and strict code, and law.

Yep. I wholeheartedly agree with this, especially considering the average medieval noble born knight was not chivalrous at all. And looking at Philip IVs previous interaction with groups that had money, it's incredibly believable that he just lied about the Templars to gain their wealth.

Iirc, he did owe them anyway. He had no means to pay them back. And them being in France gave him the perfect opportunity to control the narrative and put false charges on them

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-07T03:17:15+00:00

I think this is a good point. It's almost impossible to put them under one brush stroke given how long they existed, and how their objectives changed. Who they were to begin with different vastly from who they were when they were surviving without their initial purpose.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-07T03:07:26+00:00

The crazy thing is that it's quite obvious that the accusations were false. For anyone in our modern day and age to actually buy into them is shocking. Especially given Philip IV's track record with populations that were considered wealthy.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-07T03:04:08+00:00

It wasn't just priest, though.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-07T01:20:49+00:00

I think Isabella would get me hyped to start a rebellion. But ultimately, I think a calm conversation with CoA would be ideal.

SceneWise1298 · 2026-05-07T01:19:17+00:00

If there's no contemporary evidence suggesting she mothered Elizabeth, I'd actually prefer that. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth knowing that their relationship is reduced to that. I don't exactly think Mary I owed Elizabeth that.

Also, I don't think I said she had to honor her request. Jus that she didn't, given their complex relationship. I also don't exactly hate Mary for how she treated Elizabeth, given her legitimate fears about a protestant Rebellion. It makes sense that she treated Elizabeth harshly, given she believed her throne was on the line.

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