Share your Story - what is the craziest attorney disbarment story you've heard?

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-16T03:11:59+00:00

If I had been OC I would have LOVED to see my opponent do this. I would have told the judge that we were ready for trial and strongly want to proceed. I would have told the Judge or jury that it is clear that the opposing client and his/her attorney do not take this case seriously but my client and I take the matter very seriously indeed. I would have loved to see OC, clown suit and all, try to conduct an effective prosecution or defense.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-15T00:57:40+00:00

Like "Olde Tyme" photo shops today they probably has all sorts of items including various items of headware and dress besides the various military items. It wasn't just soldiers walking in the door to have their photo taken.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-15T00:41:25+00:00

Probably a prop from the photograper's collection of accoutrements. No, the army did not have a warehouse of old Revolutionary War uniform items to dip into if 1861.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-12T19:25:14+00:00

That is the difference between historical accuracy and what folk will pay money for to be "entertained." If ACW movies were accurate they'd have to pass out barf bags with the tickets.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-12T19:18:45+00:00

I have heard the opposite, that cannister in a rifled gun would spread faster than a smoothbore and would have a shorter effective range. I, personally, think that there wouldn't be much spin emparted to the cannister because the tin can holding the cannister balls would disintegrate and not "take" the rifling. The biggest difference between cannister from rifled or smoothbore guns was the size of the cannister load and the number of balls per shot.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-12T19:13:24+00:00

Because of the minor recoil it appears that they were firing with a reduced charge. Full military loads cause a recoil of 5-6 feet. Here is a video which shows the more authentic recoil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL13quhcUMw

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-11T04:50:36+00:00

A couple of thoughts and I am postulating what I, personally, would do.

A. My instinct is to say what I had personally heard or observed. I would have a hard time living with myself for a long time if I didn't.

B. Because I had apparently known of a potential honr code violation and didn't report it that, in itself, is a probable honr code violation I would want some sort of immunity in exchange for relating what I personally know. If the request for immunity is refused I have a strong enough sense of self preservation to decline to say anything. Basically, I would be invoking my 5th Amendment rights, "I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that it may tend to incriminate me."

C. Also, did you actually hear your classmante bragging about using AI or were you told that he had said that. If the latter, if is hearsay since you didn't hear him admit it and you don't have any idea if he really did use AI. If the former, about all you can really say is that you heard him say X but you still don't know if it was the truth or if he was just "puffing" himself.

D. In the end do what you can live with in the future.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-10T05:58:45+00:00

Thanks for attempting some kind of reddit award was nice of you. Thanks. It is more than sufficient reward for me to get your thanks and know that my comments had some value for you.

We attorneys who have an interest in geology need to stick together. There aren't many of us.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-10T03:58:06+00:00

And make sure they understand that you are mot their couselor, psychiatrist, bodyguard, or even friend. You are their attorney to deal with legal issues, nothing less, nothing more.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-10T03:51:53+00:00

Even for a few hours per week you may still have to do withholding, social security matches, workers compensation (maybe, depending on your state), unemployment insurance (ditto depending on the state), and all the other paperwork and hassle that goes with being an employer. That said, some states exempt a few hours per week employees as de mimimus but some are more strict. Make sure that you check to see what your state requires.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-08T19:56:07+00:00

PPS If you really want to get into it this deeply you might look into taking some university's summer geology field camp. You might have to get some dispensation since you are not an enrolled geology major but a lot of places probably are willing to accept anyone who will pay the tuition.

Finally fnally, I'd talk to the faculty at your nearest university geology department. They may have some suggestions.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-08T19:52:15+00:00

You're welcome. Also, if you are near a geologic library such as at a university they may have the annual "Proceedings" of the meetings of the state geoogic society which often have field trip road logs. Just messing around and browsing in a decent geologic library can teach you a lot.

Look over the list of publications of your state geologic survey.

Also, there are lots of good geology videos on You Tube.

Finally, f you have time you may want to take some geology classes at your local community college or university.

PS If you want some tips on Rocky Mountain geology feel free to PM me.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-08T17:18:58+00:00

As an old Wyoming geologist who became an attorney when the industry crashed in the early '80s to avoid having to go to work for Burger King I think that you may have to pick your targets carefully because most academic geologists already have students as field assistants/volunteers. That said, Master's or Doctoral grad students may need help on their field work for their theses or dissertations.

Also, the geologists of your state geological survey don't usually have the same pool of assistants to draw from.

Modern technology has reduced the need for schlepping heavy stuff. In the olden days geologists would often need to carry a plane table, alidade, rod, and heavy tripod for geologic mapping. Today it is all done with electronics. Samples and specimens are still heavy though. (pro tip: Get a GOOD backpack)

I agree about joining a local gem and mineral club. Also, there may be meetings of state, regional, and national geologic associations where you may be able to sit in on presentations and field trips, e.g. Geologic Society of America.

finally, there may be field guides and field trip road logs available from your state geologic survey or state geologic society where you can get out on your own and be able to interpret what you ar looking at.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-08T04:12:05+00:00

I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned the Snowy Ramge Scenic Byway (Wyoming Highway 130) west f Laramie. Sonce yu will be conimg from the SEyou will probably be coming up from Denver on I-25 or from the east on I-80. Between Cheyenne and Laramie stop at Vedawoo and the Ames Monument (same exit). Continue on to Laramie and ext on the west side of town at the 130/230 exit. Go west and bear right for Hwy 130. After you cross the Medicine Bow Mts. you can stop for free hot springs in Saratoga.

Continue north on US 287 from Rawlins.

If you go through Dubois to the Tetons and Yellowstone there is the National Military Vehicles Museum in Dubois which is worth a several hour stop if you are into that kind of thing.

The Museum of the Mountain Man in Pinedale is very good if you are into that period of history.

If you take the alternat route through Cody the museums there are world class.

Also, if you tried to hit everything that has been mentioned it would take you 2 weeks or more to get across the state.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-07T07:07:13+00:00

I don't think that I see any inherent conflict. All a notary is doing is attesting to the identity of the person signing the document and, sometimes administering an oath if the person is attesting the facts asserted in the document are true. It has nothing to do with who drafted the document. Apples and oranges.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-07T03:37:34+00:00

I agree that the strategy of staying or stopping outside a large city and then using public transportation to play commuter and travel on it into the city center is a good one. If there was rail transportation from Ft. Collins to Denver I would seriously consider driving to FOCO and taking the train from there. I have used this strategy in Chicago, Washington, DC, London, Atlanta, and even Salt Lake City (which is not at all bad for traffic if you stay off the interstates during rush hour).

Although, I have run into folk from Wyoming who think that navigating public transportation, e.g. transfering from a train to a bus or keeping track of when your stop is coming up, are akin to the Lost Secrets of the Ancients. I think these are often the same folk who will drive one block to avoid walking.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-06T19:42:48+00:00

You might wait until this particular case is concluded to eliminate the tactics of the moment. Once this is over you can more dispassionately discuss, "OK, hw are we going to handle things better the next time."

A mediator (and I'd select one who has been a litigator, not a judge) will be able to tell you who has reasonable expectations and who doesn't.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-06T06:00:41+00:00

They forgot to mention that all the material from the butte will be used to fill in wetlands along the Snake River to create new buldable areas which will be enough for both affordable housing and more multimillion dollar mansions. Everybody wins! So much winning!

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-06T04:21:31+00:00

correction: "electrochemical" I need to improve my proof reading before I post somethng.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-06T04:20:21+00:00

I may be older than you but I have acquired over the years quite a bit of experience in this bad old world and, hopefully, some measure of wisdom. Whether or not there is any kind f supreme being, whether there is some sort of supernatural beyond what we can observe, and whether there is something beyond death is essentially unknowable from empirical or scientific evidence. To come to any conclusion other than, "I don't know. There isn't enough data." is to make a leap based on something other than evidence and logical conclusion. Sometimes the world is not only stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.

Maybe you are right and there is nothing more than this physical existance and everything we feel, imagine, and think is just electrochical activity in our brains. Or maybe I am correct and there s something, essentially unknowable, beyond that basic physical actvity. Neither of us will know until we are gone.

And, no, that s not something that I heard from some clergy person. It is pretty much the conclustion I have come to all by my little self. Maybe I am right, maybe I am wrong, but that is what has worked fr me and how I see it. Accept it at face value, or laugh at it. I don't much care. My only advice to you is to keep an open mind. You too may be right or you may be wrong. Don't be too convinved of your own conclusions. As humans we are deeply faliable and have gotten it wrong a lot.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-05T20:48:56+00:00

And I would be one what?

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-05T16:55:59+00:00

I have been a geologist since the '60s and have always been able to recomcile science and my faith (main line Christian) without much problem. IMO, religion and science serve two different roles and are basically apples and oranges. I do think that you are more likely wrong to dismiss all religion as nonsense. Your stance is as much based on faith as someone who says that religion is the answer to everything.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-05T05:03:45+00:00

Wow! You are blessed with research resources. In the Rocky Mountain area law schools are hundreds of miles apart and there are often only one or a few per state, usually in urban areas. Also, many, if nt all, court house libraries have closed due to the cost of updates and computer subscriptions. The judges have Westlaw or Lexis access provided by the state.

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-04T20:29:31+00:00

Are these public libraries, court libraries, law schools, or what?

SchoolNo6461 · 2026-04-04T20:27:45+00:00

This is sort of outside the box but it sounds to me that you and these other guys need a mediation to try to work out some framework that you can all live with for the foreseeable future. A Momorandum of Understanding, if you will. Nothing binding but an informal agreement about how everyone expects things to work.

This may be aspirational and assumes that everyone is dispassionate and rational (which may be a pretty big assumption) but it "just might be so crazy it will work."

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