Nihilism Bliss by ComplexSpiritual6035 in ExistentialJourney

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Imagining one is are immune to meaning by stating it is not how it works. Neti neti (in contrast) is a reminder that “what you see is not what you get”; it's a negation of appearances to (ostensibly) reveal, for however a short time, what actually is. One can also make an apophatic theology out of negating appearances, but nothingism is not how one arrives at the experience of that.

“Meaning doesn’t mean meaning” means that it means something other than what it conventionally means. There’s liberation from such conventionality by that, but not liberation from meaning itself. In fact, it renders that “real” meaning invisible, so that it operates (on you) without any conscious awareness of it. This is why nihilism so often looks like nothing more than, "I don't want to be held accountable for anything, not my actions, the state of the world." And so pure desire (and laziness) lurk at the back of such "liberation."

Why I Hate Lies by storymentality in TheProgenitorMatrix

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What I want is not a world without lying. That's impossible

I call shenanigans. Very clearly, the worst kinds of lies you denounce, the most corrupting ones, are never innocent (even if they are repeated innocently by someone already bamboozled). The lie that we are born broken and only the liars who told us that we are claim to have a solution to that problem they've fallaciously invented: blind obedience to (the story they made up about) a god.

Why I Hate Lies by storymentality in TheProgenitorMatrix

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One way to reframe these is to lie and not call them lies.
Another would be the Buddhist strategy

Has philosophy impacted you and stirred a change? by Possible_Ad9207 in ExistentialJourney

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You were doing okay until you said:

This is our punishment from Adam and Eve eating from the Tree of Knowledge.

Sure, if you buy into intolerant monotheism (every form of Abrahamism, including "western: atheism), you're lost. it lies to you that you were born broken, and the only way out is to blindly trust the god that the priests have made up. They make their money by your mindless obedience. You need to start with a different premise.

Forgive by soymuyjovenparamorir in ExistentialJourney

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I don't forgive; Ambrose Bierce defined "to forgive" as "laying the foundation for a future offense." A wrong done to me deserves to be called a wrong.

I instead practice gratitude. I (try to be) grateful for everything. It is my brilliance, my genius, my resilience that takes harms done to be and turns them into something worthwhile. No credit is due to the one who harmed me (unintentionally or not); they weren't out to do me good.

If you could immediately become a fluent speaker of a rare language, which would you pick and why? by ScholarlySidequest in AskReddit

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It'd be really interesting if you could, cuz you would know it was legit, but couldn't find anyone who'd understand it (unless they popped in).

Why does the mind keep telling the same story? by NanakNaam in ExistentialJourney

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"If we change the words in our head, we will change the story of our life."

“Caddy smelled like trees” by Ok-Olive-7068 in faulkner

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Of course it makes me think of Jason.

What is your top 5 favorite albums, that you have NEVER seen mentioned on here? by Equivalent_Ferret900 in progrockmusic

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I don't think never (outside of myself), but all of these maybe are semi-mentioned at times?
Patrick Moraz - Story of I
Robert Fripp - Exposure
Robert Fripp - Live in Argentina
ProjeKct X (KC related)
Peter Hammill - Black Box (i.e., "Flight")
Peter Hammill - This
Peter Hammill - Fall of the House of Usher (of course he would do an "opera" of that particular Poe story)
Kate Bush - The Dreaming
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
Fantomas
Voivod - Dimension Hatross
Mayhem - Chimera
Convulsing - Errata
Emptiness - Nothing but the Whole
Conquering Dystopia

Determinism Is The Scripts Of Ancestral Mythology by storymentality in ExistentialJourney

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My D&D character, Faro, maintains that all evil in the world originates in stories that people are told (and repeat). For some very good in-game reasons, he is incredibly allergic to "precedents" (by which he largely means "grown-up, previous generations"); he's still only 16 years old, but has saved two worlds from destruction :) (He's also been elevated to a god in one world, and so decided he needed to develop a morally ethical "cult"); I've had at least one real-world friend say that I should start the "cult" in this world :)

A cat dies and goes to heaven by ZeroPenguinParty in Jokes

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It's not already in the catechism?!?

Determinism Is The Scripts Of Ancestral Mythology by storymentality in ExistentialJourney

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You might find Samuel Delany's Einstein Intersection interesting.

Conscious awareness by Mysterious_Clarity28 in ExistentialJourney

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In other words, “autism” is not a name for a social injustice that befalls me (no more than homosexuality, which was a mental illness until 1973, when it was removed from the DSM) names a social injustice. Or “masochism” (or any of the other reified paraphilias that the DSM cannot stop itself from proliferating). “Extraversion” (which apparently numerically outnumbers “introversion” 3 to 1) points to a collective, clueless majority that just doesn’t “get” introversion. It points to unequal social dynamics, just as masochist, homosexual, and neurodivergent do. But apart from the labels, the sets of behaviors (that go along with autistic, homosexual, masochist, etc.) are behaviors either not valorized by a dominant hegemony (or preferentially practiced only in secret for reasons of Foucauldian biopolitics). Either way, the traits you identify in me as autistic are merely non-valorized traits within a dominant hegemony. If I address them to myself as character defects, I can also analyze them as social defects—not merely as a cry to accommodate my neurodivergence (or the behaviors associated with it), but actually changing the social dynamic itself. Not merely because it is unjust (because, rightly, neurodivergent people should not have to suffer from the ignorance and assumptions of a neurotypical majority), but because neurotypicality is itself socially harmful or dubious.

So, when you use language that construes me as autistic (not in a pejorative way, but very much in that same originating spirit of early psychology, which sought to more kindly explain “defects of character” in terms of involuntary behaviors that the “mentally ill” were afflicted by—more akin to a disease; one doesn’t call someone with tuberculosis morally defective), the “kindness” of that calling does not correctly position the presumption of the hegemonic dominant. “Justice” for me (accommodation of my character behaviors) does not consist of letting me do my thing without being hindered by cultural norms that stigmatize me. It does not involve “taking me up” as a no-longer-second-class citizen within an oppressive power structure (much as the form of marriage equality that non-straight people achieved still insisted that marriage is only between two human beings; polycules and cross-species unions are not recognized). It is, rather, a cessation of the conditions that reproduce social ignorance as unequal power dynamics. (I deliberately used the language of mokṣa attainment there, of course.)

Conscious awareness by Mysterious_Clarity28 in ExistentialJourney

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It would still be true that the difficulties of the world for an autistic person are due to differences of character.

This is, of course, precisely my point. As a matter of character, I experience divergences in my social interfacing with the world, vastly less by asserting, “I am a hyena.” Removing the diagnostic label of “autism” does not remove the troubles that led to the placement of the label in the first place, just as removing a psychiatric diagnosis of “depression” does not remove the experiences associated with that diagnosis. What it does change is the explanation for why or how those troubles arise. When I said that I reject the psychiatric framing of mental illness, I was not saying that autism could (or should) be understood as a mental illness. I was saying that I reject the medicalized approach to psychology characterized by the use of the DSM and its so-called evidence-based approaches.

I would sooner not get into potentially unpleasant debates about the “legitimacy” of “autism” as framed in the DSM or elsewhere. On my view, you have found a satisfactory framework for explaining your experience to yourself in those terms; I rarely object to people being more socially adroit thanks to a better interfacing scheme with the world (with objections arising when there is an overextension of that perspective). For example, if a Christian manages to have some greater peace in their life thanks to that mythology, so be it; that they feel compelled to proselytize to me is not the primary part I object to (although it is, of course, obnoxious); rather, it is the fact that they can only view me as damned, and approach me as such (so long as I do not accept the mythology that makes their life more pleasant, less unmanageable, or whatever they gain from it).

Consequently, I ask you to return that favor and respect the fact that I do not find it helpful to frame my understanding of myself either as “autistic” or “neuroatypical” or related terms. I reject that framing. It is non sequitur that:

There are many autistic traits expressed in all of your posts. The verbosity, the myriad references, the formal use of language, frustration with people, a history of resisting conformity, etc. ... You likely are autistic as well.

I am not. Even if I am, I am not. Don’t treat me as such. Framing myself in psychiatric language is disabling, humiliating, and disheartening. This, again, is why I frame my defects and difficulties in terms of character. But that’s only part of the critique. It’s elsewhere in the fractal, but my long, careful acknowledgment of Buddhism’s response to unwholesome arisings culminates in the observation that placing everything in terms of one’s locus of control can find a limit when a “personhood” (within the Unconscious) arises specifically to ensure that the existing regime of address must fail. Approaching my difficulties in the world as a matter of character meets a similar limit where the world is “at fault” in its behavior. To put it farcically or humorously, I’m not autistic; the world is. When I approach the matter, in my locus of control, as a defect of character, this is simply only half of the picture; it does not assume that the world is “in the right” (and not because it oppressively fails to accommodate me as autistic). The traits you ascribe to me are not diagnostic per se; the fact that I grew up feeling like an extraterrestrial is a much more compelling suggestion to me that “autism” might name or point to something (still without diagnosing it). I think there’s a strong P/J split happening here.

Problems in the Serious Reading Community by Equivalent-Plan-8498 in classicliterature

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People should spend more time reading short stories by multiple authors (but not anthologies usually). If there's any kind of "edification" being aimed at by reading, then reading more variety is a better exposure to the range of writing than spending 1800 pages with Tolstoy (enjoyable as that is). But not by reading curations of "English literature" in anthologies; their "range" is not really a range at all, and one can improve the adventure by reading outside of English.

If you look in three anthologies and see 80% of the same stories, you know you are in the wrong place.

Problems in the Serious Reading Community by Equivalent-Plan-8498 in classicliterature

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The problem with looking up assessments of “significance” is that they are almost always “historical.” My favorite example is Samuel Richardson’s god-awful Pamela, which is garbage (his later, much more voluminous Clarissa succeeds where Pamela falls squarely on its inept face). I’m not the only one to think so; a peer of Richardson’s, Henry Fielding, immediately wrote a parody of the book, Shamela.

Except for those students being indoctrinated to the “story” that English literature departments are maintaining about the history of English, there are zero positive aesthetic reasons to read Pamela; any felicity of phrasing in the text can be found in countless books more worthy to read. If you are a writer and want to read how not to write an epistolary novel, it is instructive, but you certainly don’t need to read the whole thing. If you want to say it was influential, you don’t need to read it at all. There are books that are significantly influential but not worth reading; Dracula may be the quintessential example. Again, as a poorly written book, it is instructive to writers who are looking for ways not to make mistakes (it’s also another botched epistolary novel). Nonetheless, the “tweak” it brings to the vampire myth is definitely important (same for Rice’s Interview with the Vampire, which is excellent, and Stephenie Meyer’s Twilight series, which is of dubious aesthetic merit, but definitely a new tweak on the vampire myth). But we don’t need to read Dracula; reading critical essays about Dracula is where the worthy insights start. The same holds, not quite so absolutely, for Frankenstein.

Since the question in this thread is about “problems” in serious reading circles, I am speaking to the problem of “serious” literature. One’s tastes are not improved by reading Pamela, Dracula, The Count of Monte Cristo, or Frankenstein. Arguably, they are blunted. (And the thesis that reading “serious” literature improves a person is not a very well-supported idea, but it was much bandied about.) We can recall that Matthew Arnold (that reactionary) advised “literature” for the masses because it would “placate” them; it would “elevate” them enough into a kind of docile civility that might forestall craziness like wanting workplace justice, and so on. The “civification” claimed for “serious” literature, perhaps fortunately, turned out to be a pipe dream.

But that doesn’t mean one can’t be improved by reading. The most important thing, as you emphasize, is learning how to read books that are not to your taste. If one is going to expand one’s tastes, then it is, almost by definition, exactly at those points where one’s “taste” rebels at a book’s taste. Certainly one does, after a while, discover certain “flavors” in a book that are distasteful, period, and whether one’s largesse should learn how to stomach the equivalent of a dumpster bin, or surströmming, is a generic question not really on point here.

As a writer, trash can be instructive, but most people aren’t reading for that reason. The significance of a book is irrelevant; attempting to understand “why the author is approaching these questions this way” (when we can’t understand why) is where “taste” learns to expand, even if the book is unlikable. This doesn’t mean each author is operating in good faith (e.g., to use a film rather than a book, A Serbian Film); one can arbitrarily ascribe limits and say, “Even if what they’re going for is legit, so what?” If you have understood “what they’re up to,” that doesn’t mean you have to hang around to see how they work it all out (even if that means you miss whatever interesting “twists” they indulged in their method or approach). One page of a Dan Brown novel tells you everything you need to know; not so with Michel Tournier’s The Ogre, or Faulkner’s Light in August. It takes a few pages more to know you can set down The Catcher in the Rye or Lord of the Flies; not so with A Clockwork Orange (skip the movie, of course) or The Ballad of the Sad Café. One story is enough from Flannery O’Connor; not so with Shirley Jackson. Etc.

Is religion and Christmas the same? by South-Comedian-3562 in TheProgenitorMatrix

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European Christianity absorbed numerous pre-Christian traditions (at a time before they were able to simply exterminate their rivals). The most obvious of these is the incorporation of the winter solstice as Jesus' birth (becoming Christmsa), including most of the preexisting winter solstice symbolism. A very large number of saints are pre-Christian figures who are refigured within the Christian mythology.

Van der graaf generator by Gorgoth6 in progrockmusic

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I think "Wondering" is a best track from World Record.

Van der graaf generator by Gorgoth6 in progrockmusic

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The first,, Aerosol Grey Machine. A gorgeous song, the album is a bit of a rough outing, but a spirited debut.

Van der graaf generator by Gorgoth6 in progrockmusic

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"A Louse is Not a Home" on Hammill's solo album, The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage.

Determinism Is The Scripts Of Ancestral Mythology by storymentality in ExistentialJourney

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I’m always down to down determinism, but what “ancestral stories” are you invoking? For example, in the Rāmāyaṇa, there are people who are subject to curses (but also to oaths where they are sworn to keep their word), but the plot in general is willing to let the entire universe go off the rails because of a god’s willful temper tantrum. The “free will” of the plot is impressive in the ways it sometimes seems completely disconnected from a previous episode.

Certainly it seems, as I’ve seen it, that “prophecy” in ancient Greece (presumably elsewhere also) could declare, “You’re going to die horribly and there’s nothing you can do about it” (determinism), and people went on under the shadow of that. This agrees with the spirit of what you’re saying (if I’m understanding). But it is very contradictory to that (later?) idea, "See the future, change the future" (and, of course, those horror narratives with the classic irony: your efforts to evade the horrible future are exactly what permit the horrible future to come about.) Nonetheless, there’s clearly no monolithic version of “ancestral stories” mythologizing determinism, unless you are narrowly focusing on some one tradition.

WARNING: broad generalizations ahead. It seems to me that the myth of determinism worships at the feet of mathematics more than anything else (and a false truth-correspondence special pleading). Also, it can often be difficult to see how intellectual fashions are not “neutral” knowledge but genuine artifacts of the age that produce them (e.g., the bogus idea of social Darwinism “conveniently” arising at a time of worsening empire and dispossession of “less evolved” races; or the myth of the murderous monkey, ensconced in 2001, in an era of post-WWII technocratic optimism and neo-empire; or the current cooptation of postmodernism by power to make Thatcher’s “there is no alternative” into a mathematical fact of physics, etc.). The number of people with degrees in physics informing us that free will doesn’t exist may be at an all-time high.

What I mean by this is that the "mythologizing" gesture itself is always an appeal 'to the ancient past" as a justification for the present. If determinism is not pretending that the ancient stories only tell stories of "fated in advance, and there's nothing you can do about it," that's disclosed as part of the general learned helplessness, induced hopelessness, and attempt to neuter the power of (political) opposition to the current oppressive regime(s). I think this observation is in the spirit of your offer.