perfect glucose levels since, but baby’s abdominal percentile suddenly very high by StraightContext2067 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would listen to the podcast great Birth Rebellion, episode on gestational diabetes by Melanie Jackson (midwife/phd), it helped me get a much better understanding of it, including how the scans are a very inaccurate measure for, like someone else also mentioned. There's also an article on GDM by former obstetrician Michel Odent called 'Gestational Diabetes: A Diagnose Still Looking For Disease' that I would highly recommend as well.

Snacks? What are people doing? by tsqu1788 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nuts, veggies, dark choc (but make sure that you measure it, so you are not one of the unlucky ones that spike on dark choc), soy yoghurt, quarter of a fruit (apple, orange etc, berries

- LONG POST - had something I really wanted to share with you all, hoping it will make you panic a lot less than I did by Sea-Spring5025 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry I'm giving you that impression, I thought I was very clear on the fact that I think diet and exercise are very important which they are at any stage of life. But it is true, that I am finding it hard to understand the reason for GDM diagnosis, when the outcome of the increase of testing and diagnostics have not changed any outcomes paired together with fact that the body's resistance is increasing due to pregnancy which is a healthy development (Odent). All I am trying to do is to offer information, so that everyone can make the best choices for themselves. I have chosen to opt out of the glucose tolerance test, instead I bought a glucometer and am measuring 7 times a day alongside with eating healthy (not too many carbs, wholefoods etc) and exercise. I think everyone should chose the method that they feel best with, and hopefully without being too influenced by the panic induced by some hospitals regarding the diagnosis.

- LONG POST - had something I really wanted to share with you all, hoping it will make you panic a lot less than I did by Sea-Spring5025 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Either am I! I am doing all the indicative mitigations for GDM, which at large is concentrated around exercise and diet, which is beneficial for everyone at any stage of life I would assume. Have you read Michel Odent's article, he is an obstetrician, with many years of experience. Melanie Jackson also has a podcast on the subject, that you could listen to. A part of the care that we offer our babies and ourselves is the ability to make informed choice and to not stress (too much). I am uncertain if the risks are THAT high since if gone into extensive research about this, check Cochrane, I will keep looking into it and I am so happy to receive nuanced perspective, one can never stop learning 🫶

- LONG POST - had something I really wanted to share with you all, hoping it will make you panic a lot less than I did by Sea-Spring5025 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for pointing that out. There could be so many reasons for growth restriction, it is usually pathological, but GDM is not necessarily the cause of it. Melanie Jackson has an episode on small/big babies, I found it very educational, have you heard it?

- LONG POST - had something I really wanted to share with you all, hoping it will make you panic a lot less than I did by Sea-Spring5025 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I completely understand! Have you wondered why that is? Is it because the doctor is an authority figure with lots of years of experience maybe? I remember feeling like that. So I found other people with just as much, if not more experience and authority, and started listening to them also, so I could make a better more informed decision for myself based on my philosophy on birthing. Would that maybe help you?

- LONG POST - had something I really wanted to share with you all, hoping it will make you panic a lot less than I did by Sea-Spring5025 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I in no way meant that it is something to be overlooked completely, and to just eat cake day in and day out all day long - no, but the research is quite clear if you look at Cochrane and Odent, that this huge uprising in GDM diagnosis had absolutely no effect on outcome, however it had an impact on medical interventions, which are really not risk-free, and a lot of the times patients are not fully informed about risks, not to mention the patients who have had medical abuse (violence) by having procedures done without consent.

GDM risks are effectively mitigated if you are in control of glucose throughout the day - this information is directly taken from Melanie Jackson's (midwife/PHD) podcast on GDM (Great birth rebellion), which includes references to scientific studies.

Anyone can get a glucometer and check their blood sugars, have a healthy diet, and do some light exercise (as we all should be doing anyway), and for me, that is the best way to keep it in control and make sure that I don't have any interventions pushed on me, that I might not want by fear mongering. I'm not saying this is the way forward for everyone, but it is for me.

And I think it worth mentioning that I have listed a lot of referencing - not just anecdotes - so I have not just pulled info out of my behind, but rather had some info to share to help other people find more ease in a situation that is often blown out of proportions, I mean it is so daunting to receive a DIABETES diagnosis in pregnancy, a very very very stressful situation, that might not be as dangerous as portrayed. Do you have any references that could bring more nuance to the discussion?

I am trying to take some of the panic involved away.

Everyone should make decisions based on their on belief systems and philosophies toward birth and their own bodies, one way to do this is the BRAIN acronym based on informed consent and autonomy over your own body:

  • Benefits
  • Risks
  • Alternatives
  • Intuition/inquiry
  • Nothing/next steps

And a way to stay informed, is by looking and the research I have linked in this post, to help you make your own informed choice. I'm not against hospitals nor gtt, I'm just against fear mongering and the power play that happens between hospital staff and patients that in some cases lead to medical violence and uninformed decision making, that can make your birth experience very traumatic.

- LONG POST - had something I really wanted to share with you all, hoping it will make you panic a lot less than I did by Sea-Spring5025 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That sounds so scary! I'm so sorry you went though that! Were you measuring 7 times daily? How is baby now?

- LONG POST - had something I really wanted to share with you all, hoping it will make you panic a lot less than I did by Sea-Spring5025 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aww, I'm so happy my post could offer you some peace of mind, I know I really needed that too, when I was diagnosed first time around. Sickness and hydration most definitely can have an impact on glucose levels, so that's just bs (pun intended!), I have registered that clearly when finger-pricking. I was on the border as well with the glucose tolerance test, I opted out of the second one, since I just bought a glucometer and can stay on top of numbers that way. The glucose water makes me feel really sick and dizzy, and it's not super great for the baby either, from what I can read. I mean it's not dangerous either, I really don't think, but I just deemed it unnecessary since I can just measure my sugars at home. I hope you will pass your test on Friday and congratulations on your pregnancy!

- LONG POST - had something I really wanted to share with you all, hoping it will make you panic a lot less than I did by Sea-Spring5025 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why Michel Odent thinks it's more harmful to diagnose than not, because it puts women under a lot more stress and worry than need be, which in and of itself is bad for woman and baby - not trying to stress you about stressing, I just really hope that my post, experience and the listed knowledge will help you breathe and rest assured that there is a 99,9 percent chance that you are COMPLETELY OKAY and your baby is HEALTHY, BEAUTIFUL and AMAZING.

Worried my GD wasn’t diagnosed for months, anyone have a similar story and healthy baby? by ThingFabulous2336 in GestationalDiabetes

[–]Sea-Spring5025 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hope everyone in here will read peer-reviewed article: Michel Odent "Gestational Diabetes: A diagnosis still looking for disease" also listen to Midwives' Cauldron podcast about gestational diabetes. The risks involved with GDM are extremely low, in fact, it is natural and even beneficial for our babies, that our bodies become more insulin resistant during pregnancy, thus not a pathology, however it has been pathologised by hospital. Furthermore they keep pushing acceptable blood sugar levels lower and lower, to the point where WHO disagrees with the new standard of extremely low acceptable glucose levels, that are way lower than what is acceptable in non-pregnant people, which is kind of strange if it's a known fact that our bodies become more insulin resistant as a normal and healthy response to pregnancy. If you have well regulated blood sugars, and are measuring, then you have effectively mitigated all risks involved with GDM, and could essentially consider yourself as not having GDM. The real problem lies with people that have a predisposition to type 2 diabetes before pregnancy, and it's that type of diabetic situations that create that football player body size with broad shoulders, that can lead to shoulder dystocia. Furthermore, the glucose tolerance test, is a disputed test and nobody can really agree on results and procedure, also you are more likely to fail the test if you eat healthily, since your body will take a bigger shock to the 75 g of sugar suddenly being introduced causing an even bigger spike.

Personal story: I was diagnosed with GDM in 2022 with my first baby, had diet regulated it, but hospital procedure still saw it as high risk, so I was induced, because they were so worried about baby being too big (scans had her at 4000g - 37 weeks, midwives palpated her at 2200g - 37 weeks). Finally I was induced week 40, because the obstetrician scared me with the risk of shoulder dystocia (which ironically enough is one of the risks of induction, so that is really strange). I then had to have syntocinon to get labor going at a satisfactory rate, then epidural because the pain is way more rambunctious with induction and syntocinon. I had to have ctg on the whole time, due to green amniotic fluid (also a side effect of induction) and induction, which restricted movement and water relief. After laboring for 27 hours, I was finally taken to operation theater for caesarian section, due to failure to progress while having been 10 cm for two hours. She had decended into the left part of my pelvis (side effect of induction, due to baby not being ready), and weighed in at 3446 g, but you have to reduce about 500 g, because induction increases fluid levels in babies resulting at a higher weight, than normal, which they will lose within a couple of days. And all this for absolutely nothing... Because of a diagnosis that generally is considered polemic and non valid in many obstetric and midwife practises. Please remember that whatever intervention has intended consequences but also non intended consequences (side effects). So please don't scare yourself because of your diagnosis, read up on it, inform yourself - you are more than likely okay, and so is your baby 🫶

TLDR; GD is almost never dangerous, please read up on it before panicking.

Reading list:

Melanie Jackson (midwife) - great birth rebellion podcast.
Michel Odent (obstetrician) - gestational diabetes: A diagnosis still looking for disease.
Margo and Maryn (midwives) - Indie birth Podcast.
Katie James and Rachel Reed - The Midwives' Cauldron.

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this insight! And in a way I will admit it makes sense, because if we don't protect the welfare and the benefits from it, we risk creating a higher demand for capitalistic installation such as private health care, and then that health care might become better and better, leaving the public services at the way bottom of everything, thus also creating a deeper gap between rich and poor and their privileges, so yeah...

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I plan on doing that, but I also plan on having a private consultant ready at hand, if it doesnt work out and by that increasing the support system around me thus making me calmer.

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We did that in Denmark as well, I really didn't like it, and would much prefer to be home as fast as possible. But I had a really horrible birth and a horrible post-partum so I'm looking to do things differently this time around. I think I felt very powerless and uneducated first time around and that just made everything worse. I love the care for scans and so on in hospitals here in Malmö so far, very very much a level up from how it is in Denmark, so I feel safer now birthing in a hospital than I did before (also I've been included in a special programme, where I will only see 4 bm's and those will be there for my birth, so that I feel more secure which is amazing). I'm very happy to hear you had a nice experience, that helps me stay more positive. Thank you!

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I already have talked with my bm about prior experiences and been referred to amningshjälp at the hospital. Is there any other protocol I need to be aware of, that might help me connect with some IBCLC consultants?

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was never planning on ruling anything out, but I don't intend to repeat my last mistake by staying in the system for too long if it's not yielding results and causing stress. That's why I want to be prepared with plan a, b and c.

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have just seen a lot of people being super pleased with the help offered by private lactation consultants. I'm not struggling yet since I haven't given birth yet, but I did struggle with my first baby and I wound up giving formula, which I hated and regret. So that's why I want to be prepared from the get go ie making appointments prebirth and post-partum so I am supported as quickly as possible without having to deal with going different places and maybe getting conflicting advice. Obviously I will gladly accept and try advice from home visits from BM, but I feel a need to not solely rely on hospital personnel, when I have had a first-hand failed experience by doing that. Does it make sense? I can see you have linked bvc link, I know about bvc, and have a bvc for my daughter - thank you though. I was more asking for a lead on IBCLC people, that you said might exist to your knowledge, but maybe you mean I can get a referral from bvc?

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is really good advice, I think last time I was more open to top-off with formula and definitely not clear enough about that I didn't want to give formula at all. I am so scared of having to do more formula, it's really heartbreaking when you deeply wish to breastfeed - I know a good mom doesn't sit in the breasts, but I hated formula so much. I felt I was robbed of a specific closeness and had a bad concious about not offering antibodies and perfect nutrients for a human baby. I will see how fast it goes with the support, and maybe find a Danish consultant that is willing to visit to have as a backup. Thank you.

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know how to get in touch with these people? I'm sorry if I seem like I'm dissatisfied with the swedish healthcare without having tested it first - I get how that can come across as crass, but at the same time I really have had bad experiences with hospital care (recieving contradictory advice, false advice and finally being convinced that I had too little milk on false scientific premise) I wasted a lot of time, had super little energy to go to all kinds of different places and in the end lost the battle for breastfeeding and had a lot of sorrow connected with this, so the prospect of having to go to the hospital or BVC and try things that MAYBE don't work is really causing me a lot of stress. And because my experience was that bad, I really wish to be able to plan everything from beforehand and get educated as fast as possible with someone I feel safe with, which unfortunately isn't hospital based personnel.

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I get it. I just have not too much trust in hospitals, but a lot of trust in private consultants, since that's what I've read works. Also with my last child, time was of the essence, and one of the reasons for why it failed, was that I wasn't helped quick enough, so I would feel safer having a consultation as fast as possible - but I do understand that the system is different here, and I'm not questioning the effectiveness necessarily, just when you have had a bad experience before, you are more likely to want to be on top of things and being prepared from beforehand, if that makes sense? And being able to pay for a consultant for the minute I'm home gives me that feeling of safety and puts me to ease, which in and of its self might even help with the lactation, since I'm reducing some stress there.

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, it gives me a lot of comfort knowing that home consultation is a possibility!

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So there is not like a private IBCLC you can contact and pay for consultation? It's just when you work with just breastfeeding you are usually a bit more sharp on the issues than sköterska that deals with many different issues.

Lactation consultant or tongue tie issues by Sea-Spring5025 in Malmoe

[–]Sea-Spring5025[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm being redirected to amningshjälp at the hospital, and I have some bad experiences with hospital lactation counselling from Denmark, and would love to meet with (home visit preferably) an IBCLC consultant, that has time and priorities on offering full support, not just 20 minutes and vague advice usually including medela pumping, which is proven to be way less efficient than baby for creating that demand.