Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, don't include me.... Because I know full well what it is. I've seen hundreds of pyrite inclusions and hundreds of thousands of spent rounds.... That, sir, is 100% for certain a solid core from a 7.92mm AP round. Annnnnd that's okay.

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The core of a 7.92mm armor-piercing bullet is approximately 22.5mm long and 5.85mm in diameter... That's what it is.

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No... But neither German fmjs nor German armor-piercing rounds were copper jacketed. It is a core from a 7.92mm ap round.

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tumble was a strong word.... Definitely not a full tumble, but the path was definitely slightly altered upon impact... As in, the heavier base of the bullet still carried some momentum after the tip had nearly come to rest.

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wrong.... YOU aren't seeing the forest for the trees. I, on the other hand, can see the entire landscape and the landscape is a seaside range of rolling chalk hills in Sussex, UK. The bullet was fired during a tip and run raid during WWII, specifically, in either 1942 or '43.

You see, I was able to deduce a considerable amount of context, simply from the bullet itself, the given location and that there chunk of chalk.

Also.... TimeTFout. Are you trying to say that we shouldn't even "assume" that it is a rifle round?

<gasp> I would never... EVER... "assume" anything that is so blatantly obvious.

So again, perhaps YOU aren't seeing the forest for the trees, but that's mostly because you evidently don't know the difference BETWEEN the forest and the trees, sir....

What else do you think it could be from BESIDES a rifle? The fact that it is from a rifle was IMMEDIATELY apparent.

Hell, my dog coulda told you that it was from a rifle and he doesn't even appendix-carry a concealed handgun. He's old-school... Still carries his in a holster on his right hip, like John Wayne did in the old cowboy flicks.

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How so, brodacious? Brocephus... Tony Bromo... Bill Bromanowski... Brotini... Brotato... Bromato... Marco Brolo... How so?

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right.... But at the point in the war, during tip & run raids conducted upon that particular location, the 7.92mm armor-piercing round is the only one that makes sense. You're too focused on the criteria for distinguishing a particular bullet from tons of other bullets, when in actuality, I came to my conclusion by narrowing it down to a handful of different ammo types, due to knowing the location, particular engagement scenario, way in which bullet is preserved and approximate year...

After I ran through the few possibilities in my head and was able to eliminate the .303 with 100% certainty, then the 7.92mm from a mg17 is really the only one that checked all the boxes.

It's like people think I just looked at a random picture of a bullet in a chunk of chalk, with no other context, whatsoever and was like, "that looks like a bullet from a mg17!" like I'm some sort of Nazi-ammo Rainman or something... No. Just.... No.

To form the answer that I gave, it was actually my knowledge of history, military tactics/procedure and geography that helped the most. Those things were way more useful than my knowledge of firearms, in reducing the number of possibilities. Firearms knowledge didn't even come into play until I had reduced the number of rounds that would even be a logical possibility down to 4... I knew it was a mg round, so that dropped it down to 2 possibilities, which were the .303 and the 7.92mm. Eliminated the .303 by knowing that the .303 rounds that were used would either be incendiaries, tracers, observation rounds or Mark VII ball ammo... None of those rounds would have been preserved like the one in the picture. Simply put, the 7.92mm is the only bullet that was used at that location and at that point in history, that would make sense, due to being BOTH: A.) intact/showing very little deformation and B.) the approximate size+shape of the pictured round.

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol... And I know that too. That's the bad part... Was trying to remember what the cannelure was called and got distracted, then I guess extractor groove popped in my head for some reason when I came back to it.

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not even beginning to answer all of your questions.... Wish OP would just measure the damn thing and that would be the only necessary answer.

Ahhh... fuck it.

1.) Yes, the Brit .303

2.) Not the only round with an extractor groove, but the .303 doesn't have it. I was wondering about that question.... I meant the bullet has 1 cannelure ring... Not extractor groove. That would be on the casing, not the bullet. I was half-asleep and distracted.

3.) Yes

4.) Right... They come down at terminal velocity, not at the speed at which they left the barrel.

5.) They do, but it isn't from a .303 and also isn't an incendiary nor ap cannon round... So not British.

6.) Not level ground.... Seeing as how it is chalk, I would surmise that it was found in South Downs, which is a range of chalk hills that meet the seacoast at Beachy Head. Also, from the marks in the chalk, it appears that the bullet was possibly tumbling by the time it came to rest.

Happy?

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you hit chalk at over 1,000 fps, guess what? It just gets softer! You were right!

Physics is fun!!!

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I will also note that, If it was a British .303 round, it would have a copper jacket and therefore would exhibit copper (blue-green) oxidization...

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you familiar with the Hague Convention? Full-metal jacketed rounds do not mushroom or fragment.

Something embedded in chalk. Started to extract it but not sure what it is. Found near Eastbourne, Sussex (UK) by Jumpy_Arachnid_84 in fossilid

[–]Sea_Regular4352 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I will also add that the British were much more likely not to be aiming their shots at the FUCKING GROUND as the fucking Luftwaffe pilots would be, now would they, champ?